Curt Schilling sidelined
Nick Carfado of the Boston Globe reported today that the Red Sox do not expect Curt Schilling to be ready for the start of Spring Training. Details are vague, but the problem is reportedly related to the shoulder tendinitis Curt suffered from last season.

On June 22nd of last season, Schill was placed on the DL following a horrific outing against the Atlanta Braves in which he allowed 6 runs and 10 hits over 4 1/3 innings. More importantly, his fastball rarely registered over the low 80's.
Schilling recently went to visit Dr. Craig Morgan, the doctor who performed Schill's 1995 shoulder surgery.If Curt isn't ready to begin the season in the rotation, the obvious candidate to take his place is another Mr. No-No, Clay Buchholz. Of course, you never know with the Sox; Theo and Tito may elect to give Joo-lian Tavarez a few nods. The results of Spring Training will prove to be the deciding factor.
Schilling turned 41 in November and flatly stated that this will be his final year.
[Updated by SoxDevil 2/8/08]:
Based on the accounts of several inside sources, Curt Schilling's injury is believed to be a partial tear of his rotator cuff, something that Curt adamantly denies on his blog, 38pitches.com. It was also insinuated by Boston media outlets that the aforementioned Dr. Craig Morgan recommended surgery to repair the injury. In fairness, here's Curt's response to all the rumor-mongering:
--Curt Schilling, as posted on 38pitches.com
Regardless, Schilling will follow a conservative course of rest and rehab prescribed by Red Sox medical director Thomas Gill after the Curt and the club agreed to submit to a recommendation by an outside medical expert brought in for an impartial opinion.
Even without surgery, the 41-year-old Schilling is not expected to be in game-ready condition until around the All-Star break, according to the Boston Globe's sources. The Globe also reported that the Red Sox raised the possibility that Schilling would forfeit his contract if he proceeded to have surgery without their permission, and that the dispute has led to strained feelings between Curt and the club.
He-said, she-said aside, the upshot of this development is that it looks like our rotation is one short through July. Whom to the Red Sox turn to?
There has been discussion here on Over the Monster that the Sox might try to trade Coco Crisp for Joe Blanton, or the Sox may simply leverage their pitching depth and call on Julian Tavarez, Clay Buchholz, and a variety of others to throw 50-100 innings.
Based on what I've seen from the Red Sox in the past, I anticipate that they'll go with a free agent, veteran innings-eater or turn to Joo-lian Tavarez rather than trade for a mediocre pitcher or deviate from their development plan for the young guns down on the farm. Either way, it looks like we have a new subject of debate for the next several weeks.
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Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Holy s.
Even thinking that is scary. Give Julian, Pauley, or Hansack a couple tries before we go with certain mediocrity.
by Allen Chace on Feb 7, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/02/07/herald-schilling-has-serious-shoulder-problem/
ps: they better not sign lohse.
by em3 on Feb 7, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Matzushocka on Feb 7, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by Allen Chace on Feb 7, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by RSNexile on Feb 7, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kahuna on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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If they trade Blanton, Beane will bend someone over a barrel in the process. I'm thinking not us.
by Allen Chace on Feb 10, 2008 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Who wouldn't want to see it? :)
by Kahuna on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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If it is in the Herald, it is from Theo, in my opinion, especially the emphasis on voiding the contract.
I think they should keep Schilling. Mainly he, like Pedro aren't great pitchers anymore but they can get people out with their baseball smarts. I wouldn't start Buchholz yet, I make Tavarez the fifth starter, and put in Buchholz here and there....
by superferret on Feb 7, 2008 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Either one of the Sox's doctor look at Schilling's medical records, or another doctor from the outside the organization look at his records, or an insurance company's doctor/orthopedic surgeon look at the records and the insurance company said we are not insuring this contract. If he had shoulder damage that is career threatening, it would had been apparent since his injury sideline in June-August 2007, much like Pedro's tear of his labrum... in my opinion.
Given there is debate about even having surgery, means to me there is a conflict of interpretation of the x-rays and diagnosis, but overall this isn't good for either Schilling or the Red Sox.
Personally, the Sox should try to keep Schilling, even though he is like Eric Cartman, he is Eric Cartman who can win big games, even he just relies on his baseball smarts rather than his pitching prowess.
by superferret on Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Next year there are plenty of FA starters available so really the Sox just need a filler to help get to the playoffs in 08. If Bartolo could give us just a little of what he was like 2 or 3 years ago, I would take a shot on him, but from what people are saying he does not look very good in the Carribean league.
by SoxAcumen on Feb 7, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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There are some back-end starters still out there: Benson, Colon, Lohse... Blanton is overrated and I think he'll get found out this season: it's unlikely he'll be worth the cost Beane gouges out of us.
by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Matzushocka on Feb 7, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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If it took the same or less to get Hardin, I'd gamble if his medical chart allows it.
by alfredoz on Feb 7, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by SoxDevil on Feb 8, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by britsoxfan on Feb 8, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SoxDevil on Feb 8, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Depending on the deal, Crisp for Blanton might be alright. His career home/road splits are scary, though:
Home (Oakland=pitcher's park)
3.55 ERA, .251 / .297 / .377
Road
4.66 ERA, .290 / .338 / .433
Based on that, I'd offer Crisp, Tavarez and $$.
by 0157H7 on Feb 7, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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you offer an everyday CF (a good one in my opinion), a pitcher (which is pretty versatile) AND $$ for a pitcher who is just as good as the one you are offering (for the purpose of taking some starts till the break)?
and why in this world do you want throw money into that?
i hope nobody will ever make such an offer to the A's.
on the other side...
there was some talk about an OTM fantasy league. are you gonna play?
i would think about participating then : )
by OilCanBoyd on Feb 8, 2008 5:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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The market for Crisp is not looking good, so I figured that if the team HAD to trade him (which it doesn't), Blanton would be one of the better options. Ideally they'd hold onto Crisp until some team needed him desperately, while Crisp regains some of his lost offensive value. But he could continue to suck offensively.
by 0157H7 on Feb 8, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Tavarez's number do suck because he was thrown in really bad situations, and he was used to eat up innings and stop the bleeding, besides he was thrown in as sort of a fireman. I am a big proponent of Tavarez, even though he is definitely quirky and weird, because he is someone any team needs a great utility pitcher. Someone who can be a starter, a set up pitcher and middle relief.
I am all in favor of using Tavarez again as the fifth starter for the time being, and I give credit to Tavarez in going in to situation that were going to up his ERA and WHIP, but I am more worried if Buccholz gets injured.
Stats don't always tell the complete stories of what is going on, and Tavarez is a perfect example, no I don't want him as starting pitcher against the Yankees in September, but he has shown he is good enough to be used in many ways, including starting pitching.
by superferret on Feb 8, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I have a lot of respect for Tavarez - he won several games against opposing team's aces and performed far better than I expected. He also took his eventual departure from the rotation well, saying specifically that he was holding a spot for Jon Lester. (The downturn in violence was also appreciated.)
@tommy: You're right about the stretch of good pitching, but Tavarez's numbers in the first half were still pretty bad - 4.97 ERA (5.48 2nd half). That's fine for most teams' fifth starters, but most teams don't have to compete with the Yankees, or to get into the playoffs. I think we can do better. Considering the expense of everything at Fenway, the team SHOULD do better.
by 0157H7 on Feb 8, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm all for picking up Blanton or whoever, but I'm not totally adverse with telling Hoolio in ST that the 5th spot is his to lose. We all know he'll lose it eventually, but he'll win a few and he'll allow us to keep Buch on a pitch count down in Pawtucket to start the season.
What's worst thing that can possibly happen?
by tommy.otm on Feb 9, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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As for the worst that could happen with Julian in the rotation, all we'd need to do is ask him...
by 0157H7 on Feb 9, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by britsoxfan on Feb 9, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
- Beckett
- DIce-K
- Schilling
- Lester
- Buchholz
Taverez?
Wakefield??
am I missing somebody?
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Feb 7, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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now, we may need another starter.
by em3 on Feb 7, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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He closes his eyes and taps his heals together, wishing, wishing, wishing.
Yep, I know, never going to happen(is he a Mariner yet?)
by sydneysox on Feb 7, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Wait - what am I thinking? You cannot blackmail a man who has no shame.
by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by narbaysox on Feb 7, 2008 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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The Globe reports that Schilling will follow the Red Sox's wishes and opt for rehab over surgery for a partially torn rotator cuff. Schilling has so far refused to comment, though there are whispers that he's contemplating retirement. One sources told the the Sox raised the possibility that Schilling would forfeit his contract if he proceeded to have surgery without their permission, and there were indications that the dispute has led to strained feelings between the parties."
by soxaholic on Feb 7, 2008 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Beckett and Dice K can each throw 200-plus, Lester, Wake and Buchholz can throw at least 150 innings each, and Schilling, Tavarez, Hanseck, Masteron, Bowden, Snyder, et al for 100 plus. We'll be okay.
We're already taking a $8 million hit on Schilling, no need to throw a bunch of money on Rotundo Colon.
Though I'd take Blanton for Crisp. Sure he's a LAIM, but he's cost controlled, and we can always trade him down the road.
by tommy.otm on Feb 7, 2008 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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What appeals to me would be an incentive-stacked one-year contract for one of the better FAs. Not saying it's vital for our success, but the insurance would be useful.
by britsoxfan on Feb 8, 2008 3:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Gabbard was lightning in a bottle for us, Hoolian had some decent stretches (May and June), and Buchholz was a spot starter himself. They didn't kill us.
Schilling only threw 150 innings last year - it's not like we're losing our stud. I wasn't expecting too much from him this year, and my guess isthat the difference between him and Tavarez and whoever else will stick to the wall is 2-3 wins.
"What appeals to me would be an incentive-stacked one-year contract for one of the better FAs."
Are there any "better" FAs out there who'd take an incentive stacked one-year deal? I'm all for insurance, but Rotundo doesn't do t for me. Plus, I'd to hate to mess with the clubhouse chemistry by letting Rotundo anywhere near the post-game buffet.
by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Really, I think Joo-lian Tavarez and assorted youngsters present the best option for the Red Sox in terms of cost and quality. We won't do any better in a trade or in free agency.
by SoxDevil on Feb 8, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by britsoxfan on Feb 8, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Over at ESPN, Gammons mentioned that he thinks Masterson could be up making starts in July.
by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by gnick55 on Feb 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by CountyJez on Feb 8, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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just sayn
by mpieretti on Feb 8, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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However I think Sox fans would had been extremely disappointed with the best pitcher in baseball, given the huge expecations of Santana in the rotation, Unfriendly confines of Fenway Park for southpaws, and Santana showing some signs of vunerability in Sept 2007, I think more home runs were hit off Johan during that month than any other time, which means his infamous change up is showing signs of being tipped..
I am curious how Johan performs at Shea, and how the NY Media deals with him.
I also think Lester is showing signs of being a good pitcher, and even a better pitcher in 2008
by superferret on Feb 8, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Hench..I'm talking about you..
by Bosoxman34 on Feb 9, 2008 12:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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(I am combining Theo's trades and Sox signings)
Theo has made some bad trades, whether it is Arroyo for Wily Mo Peña, Gabbard for Gagné, (which is probably more of a wash) All that is minor compare to picking up David Ortiz on waivers, along with getting Okajima for $2.5 million a year. Even though Schilling is a royal pain in the butt, that trade gave the Red Sox a leader who won crucial games, (Game 1 of the 2004 ALCS not withstanding, but Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS is already folklore)
The Beckett/Lowell trade happened when he was on hiatus, and getting JD Drew is questionable, given he is okay but not worth the $15 million. Signing Renteria didn't turned out to be the killer deal compare to signing Orlando Cabrera, nor signing David Wells and Matt Clement and not making any effort in retaining Derek Lowe, (even though Lowe showed to be a basket case in LA)) was also in hindsight not the best move..
However he refused to give Pedro a four year deal, which in hindsight was smart and save the Sox a bundle, and Lowe had some personal problems he needed to overcome..
I give Theo a huge amount of credit for making the very tough trades, like the Garciaparra trade, but he was pretty close in trading Lowe for Clement in that deal, which in some ways could had change some playoff games, given Lowe came through when the Sox needed him the most, 2004 ALCS Game 7.
He also offered Pavano more money than the Yankees, and if it wasn't for Carl Pavano's mom, Theo would had been tar and feathered in Brookline for that signing.
There has been alot of luck, and alot of chance, Most of the trades/signings haven't worked out for the Sox. The ones that have, well they are almost Ruthian in success.
However, I think what Theo Epstein has shown, is that Boston wasn't curse by the Bambino, but by bad management for eighty three or so years, like having Fisk, Lynn etc go when Haywood Sullivan bungled their contract negotiations. Theo also has been stressing pitching since 2005, and it finally paid off last year, with the best bullpen in the majors. He has shown he is much more balance and more adaptable to annual changes than someone like Dan Duquette, who had some baseball smarts, but was so freakin arrogant, that it showed some serious flaws in his managment skills.
by superferret on Feb 9, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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But what the Sox have done with the farm system speaks for itself. The moves Theo made in 2003 set up the 2004 title. The farm system Theo shephered bore a significant amount of the fruit which brought in 2007.
Billy Beane is the best GM in the game. But Theo is among the elite right below.
by sriram12078 on Feb 10, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Anyone know if we can entice Orel Hershiser into coming back for a season? I mean the guy was the best at eating innings latter in his career.
=)
by SoxAcumen on Feb 11, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by BoSox415 on Feb 11, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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