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Curt Schilling sidelined

Nick Carfado of the Boston Globe reported today that the Red Sox do not expect Curt Schilling to be ready for the start of Spring Training. Details are vague, but the problem is reportedly related to the shoulder tendinitis Curt suffered from last season.

On June 22nd of last season, Schill was placed on the DL following a horrific outing against the Atlanta Braves in which he allowed 6 runs and 10 hits over 4 1/3 innings. More importantly, his fastball rarely registered over the low 80's.

Schilling recently went to visit Dr. Craig Morgan, the doctor who performed Schill's 1995 shoulder surgery.

If Curt isn't ready to begin the season in the rotation, the obvious candidate to take his place is another Mr. No-No, Clay Buchholz. Of course, you never know with the Sox; Theo and Tito may elect to give Joo-lian Tavarez a few nods. The results of Spring Training will prove to be the deciding factor.

Schilling turned 41 in November and flatly stated that this will be his final year.

[Updated by SoxDevil 2/8/08]:
Based on the accounts of several inside sources, Curt Schilling's injury is believed to be a partial tear of his rotator cuff, something that Curt adamantly denies on his blog, 38pitches.com. It was also insinuated by Boston media outlets that the aforementioned Dr. Craig Morgan recommended surgery to repair the injury. In fairness, here's Curt's response to all the rumor-mongering:

Please understand that a lot of what has been reported is not true. When the club feels it’s appropriate to further discuss the details of this issue publicly I will elaborate but I need to make it clear that Dr Morgan did NOT diagnose me with a tear of the rotator cuff at any time during this process, nor did he recommend rotator cuff surgery.
--Curt Schilling, as posted on 38pitches.com

Regardless, Schilling will follow a conservative course of rest and rehab prescribed by Red Sox medical director Thomas Gill after the Curt and the club agreed to submit to a recommendation by an outside medical expert brought in for an impartial opinion.

Even without surgery, the 41-year-old Schilling is not expected to be in game-ready condition until around the All-Star break, according to the Boston Globe's sources. The Globe also reported that the Red Sox raised the possibility that Schilling would forfeit his contract if he proceeded to have surgery without their permission, and that the dispute has led to strained feelings between Curt and the club.

He-said, she-said aside, the upshot of this development is that it looks like our rotation is one short through July. Whom to the Red Sox turn to?

There has been discussion here on Over the Monster that the Sox might try to trade Coco Crisp for Joe Blanton, or the Sox may simply leverage their pitching depth and call on Julian Tavarez, Clay Buchholz, and a variety of others to throw 50-100 innings.

Based on what I've seen from the Red Sox in the past, I anticipate that they'll go with a free agent, veteran innings-eater or turn to Joo-lian Tavarez rather than trade for a mediocre pitcher or deviate from their development plan for the young guns down on the farm. Either way, it looks like we have a new subject of debate for the next several weeks.

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Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I fear a Lohse or Colon as mentioned in the sidebar.

Holy s.

Even thinking that is scary. Give Julian, Pauley, or Hansack a couple tries before we go with certain mediocrity.

by Allen Chace on Feb 7, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
the herald has the scoop.  he may be done for the year!

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/02/07/herald-schilling-has-serious-shoulder-problem/

ps: they better not sign lohse.

by em3 on Feb 7, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Well so much for Coco being our 4th OF. This would to be be a certain sign we are going to trade away Coco for a pitcher. I think we will end up with Blanton.

by Matzushocka on Feb 7, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Oh goodness, Blanton would scare the crap out of me, at least in terms of almost certainly not meeting expectations.

by Allen Chace on Feb 7, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
why's that?  At the least he would be able to burn a lot of innings.  Can we count on Wakefield or Buchholz for 200 innings?  

by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I'd be happy with Wake and Buch combining for 200 innings this year.

by RSNexile on Feb 7, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Blanton could be fine in a fourth-starter, innings-eating kind of way. But for ace-type prices, no, no no.

by Kahuna on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I guess I should have been more clear, because I agree with you completely.

If they trade Blanton, Beane will bend someone over a barrel in the process. I'm thinking not us.

by Allen Chace on Feb 10, 2008 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I read your first sentence and thought "he thinks Coco will be in the rotation?"

by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I bet Coco would do that if asked.

Who wouldn't want to see it? :)

by Kahuna on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined

  If it is in the Herald, it is from Theo, in my opinion, especially the emphasis on voiding the contract.

  I think they should keep Schilling. Mainly he, like Pedro aren't great pitchers anymore but they can get people out with their baseball smarts.  I wouldn't start Buchholz yet, I make Tavarez the fifth starter, and put in Buchholz here and there....

by superferret on Feb 7, 2008 2:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I have to wonder how Schilling could have kept this a secret from the Sox.

by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
 
  Either one of the Sox's doctor look at Schilling's medical records, or another doctor from the outside the organization look at his records, or an insurance company's doctor/orthopedic surgeon look at the records and the insurance company said we are not insuring this contract.   If he had shoulder damage that is career threatening, it would had been apparent since his injury sideline in June-August 2007, much like Pedro's  tear of his labrum... in my opinion.

  Given there is debate about even having surgery, means to me there is a conflict of interpretation of the x-rays and diagnosis, but overall this isn't good for either Schilling or the Red Sox.

  Personally, the Sox should try to keep Schilling, even though he is like Eric Cartman, he is Eric Cartman who can win big games, even he just relies on his baseball smarts rather than his pitching prowess.

by superferret on Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
If Schilling is done, the Sox will need another starter.  I would rather take a shot on Livan Hernandez or Bartolo Colon than waste prospects on Blanton.

Next year there are plenty of FA starters available so really the Sox just need a filler to help get to the playoffs in 08.  If Bartolo could give us just a little of what he was like 2 or 3 years ago, I would take a shot on him, but from what people are saying he does not look very good in the Carribean league.

by SoxAcumen on Feb 7, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
mutter mutter Santana mutter mutter
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Ah ignore that. I'm not sure Santana is germane to this issue: he was never a Schilling replacement as such. The interesting thing now will be whether we're in for an FA, or whether the fifth slot is made up of a Tavarez/Pauley/Hansack combination.

There are some back-end starters still out there: Benson, Colon, Lohse... Blanton is overrated and I think he'll get found out this season: it's unlikely he'll be worth the cost Beane gouges out of us.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I do not want Blanton, but Beane supposedly wants to make out with Coco, and they want to move Blanton. It seems like that might be what happens. I hope we do something smart here.

by Matzushocka on Feb 7, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
What's the status on Rich Hardin?  Is he "healthy" for spring training?  I know it's pretty insane to go after such a high injury risk, but our fall-backs aren't terrible, and Hardin does have such better stuff than Blanton.  That pitching motion of Blanton's scares me.

If it took the same or less to get Hardin, I'd gamble if his medical chart allows it.

by alfredoz on Feb 7, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Harden went to the D-Backs in a trade this off-season.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 8, 2008 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
No sirree, SD. Are you thinking of Haren?
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 8, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Err... yes. Oops.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 8, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I think people might be jumping the gun here - missing Spring Training is one thing, missing the whole season is quite another. Also, we have loads of depth: our rotation could easily be Beckett, DMZ, Wakefield, Lester, Buchholz.

Depending on the deal, Crisp for Blanton might be alright. His career home/road splits are scary, though:
Home (Oakland=pitcher's park)
3.55 ERA, .251 / .297 / .377
Road
4.66 ERA, .290 / .338 / .433

Based on that, I'd offer Crisp, Tavarez and $$.

by 0157H7 on Feb 7, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Jumping the gun? Hope so. But... this...
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
r u kiddin?

you offer an everyday CF (a good one in my opinion), a pitcher (which is pretty versatile) AND $$ for a pitcher who is just as good as the one you are offering (for the purpose of taking some starts till the break)?

and why in this world do you want throw money into that?

i hope nobody will ever make such an offer to the A's.

on the other side...
there was some talk about an OTM fantasy league. are you gonna play?

i would think about participating then : )

by OilCanBoyd on Feb 8, 2008 5:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Joe Blanton may be mediocre, but he's still better than Tavarez. Julian had a good run at times during the season, but his final #s are just miserable. ERA 5.15, WHIP 1.50. He sucked at home (5.16 ERA), he sucked on on the road (5.13). He sucked in the first half, he sucked in the second half. Blanton is younger, has better stuff, and has pitched 194 innings or more in each of the last three seasons.

The market for Crisp is not looking good, so I figured that if the team HAD to trade him (which it doesn't), Blanton would be one of the better options. Ideally they'd hold onto Crisp until some team needed him desperately, while Crisp regains some of his lost offensive value. But he could continue to suck offensively.

by 0157H7 on Feb 8, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined

   Tavarez's number do suck because he was thrown in really bad situations, and he was used to eat up innings and stop the bleeding, besides he was thrown in as sort of a fireman. I am a big proponent of Tavarez, even though he is definitely quirky and weird, because he is someone any team needs a great utility pitcher.  Someone who can be a starter, a set up pitcher and middle relief.

 I am all in favor of using Tavarez again as the fifth starter for the time being, and I give credit to Tavarez in going in to situation that were going to up his ERA and WHIP, but I am more worried if Buccholz gets injured.

  Stats don't always tell the complete stories of what is going on, and Tavarez is a perfect example, no I don't want him as starting pitcher against the Yankees in September, but he has shown he is good enough to be used in many ways, including starting pitching.

by superferret on Feb 8, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Tavarez was awesome for two months last year. He got matched up with some pretty good teams and he'd hold his own. But he threw 90 innings before the break (after throwing 98 all year the before) and was crap the rest of the way.
Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Stats may not always tell the complete story, but they provide a much better understanding than all other measures of a pitcher's effectiveness. What's more, both observation (many 5 or fewer inning games with 4+ runs) and stats bear out Tavarez's mediocrity. It wasn't because he was put into tough situations - many of his worst games were as a starter. His ERA as a starter was 5.22, versus 4.5 as a reliever.

I have a lot of respect for Tavarez - he won several games against opposing team's aces and performed far better than I expected. He also took his eventual departure from the rotation well, saying specifically that he was holding a spot for Jon Lester. (The downturn in violence was also appreciated.)

@tommy: You're right about the stretch of good pitching, but Tavarez's numbers in the first half were still pretty bad - 4.97 ERA (5.48 2nd half). That's fine for most teams' fifth starters, but most teams don't have to compete with the Yankees, or to get into the playoffs. I think we can do better. Considering the expense of everything at Fenway, the team SHOULD do better.

by 0157H7 on Feb 8, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
He was terrible out of the gate last year (7.58 ERA in April). But he was going to be a bullpen guy until Paps went to the 'pen about a week before the season started. The first three starts he was still stretching out, and he'd usually get into trouble in the third or fourth inning, if I recall correctly. Then he beat the Yanks and started throwing rocks for the next two months. His ERA jumped .60 in his last start (8 runs in 4 innings) before the All Star break, but that was after he'd thrown 600 pitches in less than a month, after averaging 260 a month in '06 and 180 a month in '05. We all knew the wheels would come off eventually, and they rode him pretty hard, but he was pretty good while it lasted.

I'm all for picking up Blanton or whoever, but I'm not totally adverse with telling Hoolio in ST that the 5th spot is his to lose. We all know he'll lose it eventually, but he'll win a few and he'll allow us to keep Buch on a pitch count down in Pawtucket to start the season.

What's worst thing that can possibly happen?

I mean...

Or...

Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Feb 9, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I don't mind having Tavarez start with the five slot again; we just need to be clear-minded (as you are) about what he is capable of. BTW, nice use of Bruegel.
As for the worst that could happen with Julian in the rotation, all we'd need to do is ask him...

by 0157H7 on Feb 9, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bruegel
Thanks. My favorite piece in the Prado.
Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Feb 9, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Pic three actually from spring training while he was with the Cardinals.
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 9, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought...
that Buchholz was already thought of as one of the five starters.
  1. Beckett
  2. DIce-K
  3. Schilling
  4. Lester
  5. Buchholz
--------------
Taverez?
Wakefield??

am I missing somebody?

vr, Xei

Dodger Sims with a correct pre-season Red Sox Championship prediction!

by Xeifrank on Feb 7, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: I thought...
dude, wake is in the rotation.  buchholz was going to start off the year in AAA most likely, to limit his innings.

now, we may need another starter.  

by em3 on Feb 7, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Erik Bedard...come on down!  

He closes his eyes and taps his heals together, wishing, wishing, wishing.

Yep, I know, never going to happen(is he a Mariner yet?)

by sydneysox on Feb 7, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
well that would be a lovely possibility.  I'll drive up to Baltimore to get incriminating photos of Angelos to grease this deal.

Wait - what am I thinking?  You cannot blackmail a man who has no shame.

by RickD on Feb 7, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm BACK
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 7, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Julian! Julian! Julian!
For a week in Oct. 2004 I did not sleep.

by narbaysox on Feb 7, 2008 5:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
"Sources told the Boston Globe that Curt Schilling will be out at least through the All-Star break even if he declines to undergo shoulder surgery.
The Globe reports that Schilling will follow the Red Sox's wishes and opt for rehab over surgery for a partially torn rotator cuff. Schilling has so far refused to comment, though there are whispers that he's contemplating retirement. One sources told the the Sox raised the possibility that Schilling would forfeit his contract if he proceeded to have surgery without their permission, and there were indications that the dispute has led to strained feelings between the parties."

by soxaholic on Feb 7, 2008 6:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
162 ganes, 6 innings per start = 960 innings pitched.

Beckett and Dice K can each throw 200-plus, Lester, Wake and Buchholz can throw at least 150 innings each, and Schilling, Tavarez, Hanseck, Masteron, Bowden, Snyder, et al for 100 plus. We'll be okay.

We're already taking a $8 million hit on Schilling, no need to throw a bunch of money on Rotundo Colon.

Though I'd take Blanton for Crisp. Sure he's a LAIM, but he's cost controlled, and we can always trade him down the road.

Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Feb 7, 2008 9:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Question is, did we win the AL East last year because of the innings from Tavarez, Gabbard and co, or despite them?

What appeals to me would be an incentive-stacked one-year contract for one of the better FAs. Not saying it's vital for our success, but the insurance would be useful.

Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 8, 2008 3:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
"Question is, did we win the AL East last year because of the innings from Tavarez, Gabbard and co, or despite them?"

Gabbard was lightning in a bottle for us, Hoolian had some decent stretches (May and June), and Buchholz was a spot starter himself. They didn't kill us.

Schilling only threw 150 innings last year - it's not like we're losing our stud. I wasn't expecting too much from him this year, and my guess isthat the difference between him and Tavarez and whoever else will stick to the wall is 2-3 wins.

"What appeals to me would be an incentive-stacked one-year contract for one of the better FAs."

Are there any "better" FAs out there who'd take an incentive stacked one-year deal? I'm all for insurance, but Rotundo doesn't do t for me. Plus, I'd to hate to mess with the clubhouse chemistry by letting Rotundo anywhere near the post-game buffet.

Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I'd rather a Livan Hernandez or Kyle Lohse than Bartolo Colon. Colon will spend at least half the year on the DL, regardless of whether the problem is an injury or ineffectiveness. Mark my words.

Really, I think Joo-lian Tavarez and assorted youngsters present the best option for the Red Sox in terms of cost and quality. We won't do any better in a trade or in free agency.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Feb 8, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Completely agree.
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Feb 8, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Ditto.

Over at ESPN, Gammons mentioned that he thinks Masterson could be up making starts in July.

Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Feb 8, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I didn't want to bring it up, but do you think this will prompt the front office to consider he who shall not be named, A.K.A. Roger Clemens. I don't think Theo would do that but you never know.

by gnick55 on Feb 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
No. It won't. The front office are not idiots ...

by CountyJez on Feb 8, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Wasn't it Schilling who said we don't need Santana in the rotation?
just sayn
xxCRACKxx flies the ball into the cool October night...

by mpieretti on Feb 8, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
I think the Twins agree, why make a baseball superpower even more powerful?  Why give either two monsters, the Yankees or Red Sox, more dynastic power by giving the best pitcher in baseball? Giving him to the Mets is a smart move on the Twins part, even though the Yankees deal was probably the best with Boston's a close second.

  However I think Sox fans would had been extremely disappointed with the best pitcher in baseball, given the huge expecations of Santana in the rotation, Unfriendly confines of Fenway Park for southpaws, and Santana showing some signs of vunerability in Sept 2007, I think more home runs were hit off Johan during that month than any other time, which means his infamous change up is showing signs of being tipped..

  I am curious how Johan performs at Shea, and how the NY Media deals with him.

  I also think Lester is showing signs of being a good pitcher, and even a better pitcher in 2008

by superferret on Feb 8, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Why is Theo getting hit because of the way this schilling story is going down. Theo HELPED the red sox to two world series wins in 4 years now all of a sudden everything is Theo's fault. Kevin
Hench..I'm talking about you..

by Bosoxman34 on Feb 9, 2008 12:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
 
(I am combining Theo's trades and Sox signings)

  Theo has made some bad trades, whether it is Arroyo for Wily Mo Peña, Gabbard for Gagné, (which is probably more of a wash) All that is minor compare to picking up David Ortiz on waivers, along with getting Okajima for $2.5 million a year.   Even though Schilling is a royal pain in the butt, that  trade gave the Red Sox a leader who won crucial games, (Game 1 of the 2004 ALCS not withstanding, but Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS is already folklore)

    The Beckett/Lowell trade happened when he was on hiatus, and getting JD Drew is questionable, given he is okay but not worth the $15 million.  Signing Renteria didn't turned out to be the killer deal compare to signing Orlando Cabrera, nor signing David Wells and Matt Clement and not making any effort in retaining Derek Lowe, (even though Lowe showed to be a basket case in LA)) was also in hindsight not the best move..

  However he refused to give Pedro a four year deal, which in hindsight was smart and save the Sox a bundle, and Lowe had some personal problems he needed to overcome..

  I give Theo a huge amount of credit  for making the very tough trades, like the Garciaparra trade, but he was pretty close in trading Lowe for Clement in that deal, which in some ways could had change some playoff games, given Lowe came through when the Sox needed him the most, 2004 ALCS Game 7.

  He also offered Pavano more money than the Yankees, and if it wasn't for Carl Pavano's mom, Theo would had been tar and feathered in Brookline for that signing.

  There has been alot of luck, and alot of chance, Most of the trades/signings haven't worked out for the Sox.  The ones that have, well they are almost Ruthian in success.

  However, I think what Theo Epstein has shown, is that Boston wasn't curse by the Bambino, but by bad management for eighty three or so years, like having Fisk, Lynn etc go when Haywood Sullivan bungled their contract negotiations.   Theo also has been stressing pitching since 2005, and it finally paid off last year, with the best bullpen in the majors.  He has shown he is much more balance and more adaptable to annual changes than someone like Dan Duquette, who had some baseball smarts, but was so freakin arrogant, that it showed some serious flaws in his managment skills.  

by superferret on Feb 9, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
The stuff that Theo has done with the major league club has been mixed (trades and such).  The Drew signing was incomplete (considering the problems he had at home last year, i would have had trouble focusing, and he did not make any excuses) -- I want to see a season without the distraction, and he had a very good stretch run.  

But what the Sox have done with the farm system speaks for itself.  The moves Theo made in 2003 set up the 2004 title.  The farm system Theo shephered bore a significant amount of the fruit which brought in 2007.  

Billy Beane is the best GM in the game.  But Theo is among the elite right below.

I admire the Patriots, but I LOVE the Sox.

by sriram12078 on Feb 10, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
If we are just looking for a guy to eat up innings, well Livan Hernandez is the guy.  

Anyone know if we can entice Orel Hershiser into coming back for a season?  I mean the guy was the best at eating innings latter in his career.

=)

by SoxAcumen on Feb 11, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Curt Schilling sidelined
Man, this makes we wish we were able to sign Johan.
If the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only lefties are in the right mind. Bill "Spaceman" Lee

by BoSox415 on Feb 11, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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