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This is how rumors are started

Zissou551_tiny by SoxDevil on in News

This post has no substance behind it whatsoever, but it does bear consideration.

Rangers consider moving Tex?
Posted: Thursday May 10, 2007 08:36AM ET

It would be a total guess right now, but Mark Teixeira certainly would be a guy the Rangers would have to consider trading. The Rangers would need to get back pitching and a major league ready first baseman or outfielder. For me, the best deal the Rangers could try to make is with Baltimore for Nick Markakis and a pitcher.

-Dallas Morning News
Mark Teixeira rookie baseball card courtesy of homeruncards.com

How about the Red Sox? We certainly have a plethora of pitching talent in the minors, as well as a few quad-A outfielders.

Would the Rangers trade Mark Teixeira for Wily Mo/Hinske + Bowden/Buchholz + Edgar Martinez? That seems like a fairly reasonable deal to me. Of course, the Rangers could be greedy and try for Lester, Ellsbury, and Hansen, to which I'd say hell, no.

The sticky part for the Sox would be what to do with Youk & Lowell on the corners. Conceivably, Youk could be a LF/1B/3B super-utility man, clocking in around 400 ABs for 1 year. Lowell's contract is up next year and Youk could take over at 3B.

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Re: This is how rumors are started
While a Lugo-Youks-Papi-Manny-Drew-Tex-Tek-Crisp/Ellsbury-DP batting order would look very nice next season, I'd like to see his slugging get back above .500 before we consider including Bowden or Buchholz in the deal. Sure, he surged in the 2nd half last season, but if he's become a 2nd half player, then I don't know if he'd be worth it.

Semi-related: Wily Mo could bat .230 with 250 Ks and still hit 50 bombs in Arlington.

"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 3:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
The Texas depth chart shows they have pretty desperate need of an outfielder (Wilkerson, Lofton and Cruz? really?) and starting pitching more than anything else. Notwithstanding the need to plug in someone else to replace Teixeira.

So who do we have as surplus and what would it take? We don't need all of Crisp, Pena, Ellsbury, Murphy and Moss. Pena would, as Allen points out, make hay in Arlington. Murphy (a Texan, for what it's worth) was mentioned in connection with Texas this past off-season, I believe. Moss is probably a little too far off, and too unproven, to be immediate benefit to the Rangers. Eric Hinske is a useful super-ute sort of guy who is a more than adequate first baseman.

We also have Crazy Julian Tavarez and a stockpile of useful arms in Pawtucket: Runelvys Hernandez, Kason Gabbard, David Pauley. Plus some reasonable RP arms.

On no account would I trade one of the Killer Bs to get Teixeira. They both have the potential to be top-to-middle of rotation starters.

That's the scenic route to saying that I would offer something in the area of: Wily Mo Pena, Eric Hinske plus Julian Tavarez. And perhaps a minor RP arm too.

PS Why would Baltimore trade Markakis to get Teixeira? Markakis is good. And cheap. Silly Dallas Morning News.

PPS If only we'd signed Tex in 1998 when we drafted him none of this idle speculation would have to take place.

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by britsoxfan on May 10, 2007 3:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
FWIW, I kind of hope Cruz gets on track, though he could end up being the classic quad-A player. I live in Nashville, and got to watch him for the Sounds. He mashed there, and always looked to play a pretty good RF (not sure what his stats are out there this season or from the minors).
"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
I found the splits for Cruz here, though no minor league fielding data. Wow. He did mash at Nashville - I hadn't realised.

Anyway, I bring you the glad tidings that the Yankees are getting crushed by the Rangers. Best news of the night: Derek Jeter has stolen three bases this season, and has been caught stealing five times. Smart base running, Captain Intangibles! (Yeah, his BA is over .360 but we'll gloss over that.)

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by britsoxfan on May 10, 2007 4:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
He was probably the most fun player to watch the last couple seasons, and that's saying something with all the young players that MIL has up on the team now. Could run a bit, pounded the ball, and was always good for a sliding grab, or sliding cut-off of a hard grounder to RF that would otherwise be a sure 3B. Not a bad arm either.
"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Have you seen Gallardo pitch? Or seen Ryan Braun play? Very interested in both.
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by britsoxfan on May 10, 2007 4:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Ryan Braun is everything you hear. Excellent approach at the plate, hits everything hard, and is...not terrific on D at 3B.

I've yet to see Gallardo pitch. I've been twice this year. One was an R.A. Dickey start (v. Jorge Sosa) and I can't remember the other (possibly Zach Jackson, who hasn't been bad this season either).

"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 4:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Thanks, Allen. The Brewers are easy to root for at the moment.
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on May 10, 2007 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Agreed. Next time I go, (Probably the Wednesday afternoon game on the 23rd) I might take some notes and post a diary on BrewCrewBall and maybe here as well. They are (MIL) a fun team to root for, and have as many likeable <cliche> "ballplayers" </cliche> as you could hope for from a AAA club as well.  Vinny Rottino is a personal favorite. Can play 5 (C, 1B, 3B, LF, RF) positions, and plays most of them pretty credibly. I would guess 2B and P wouldn't be ruled out in an emergency (I think he pitched 1 IP scoreless with a K and no BB or H in 2004).
"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
And having already hijacked this thread... Jeff Weaver's record now stands at 0-6, 14.32 ERA.
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on May 10, 2007 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Jeff Weaver: probably the worst offseason signing (with Igawa a close second). It just made no sense to me, here's a pitcher that got dropped mid-season last year, pitches not so good for the team that picks him up, goes to pitche an unlikely good offseason, and for some reason a couple offseason games are worth more to judge a players worth then years of mediocure-to-poor pitching?

by Realistic on May 10, 2007 5:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Jeff Weaver is inarguably the worst off-season signing, especially considering the money he's being paid. Igawa wouldn't necessarily be a bad signing for some team like the Rockies, but in the context of the Yankees, he doesn't have what it takes.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on May 11, 2007 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Lester, Ellsbury, and Hansen, to which I'd say hell, no.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've got no love for Hansen.  I'd be down with a Wily Mo/Hinske trade situation, and would throw in Hansen just because they asked nicely.  I cringe every time he's on the mound.    

We don't throw at .265 hitters

by Dirty Water on May 10, 2007 4:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
I often see Tex projected 1B for the Yanks in 2010-ish. I'd view us acquiring him as a major coup for us.

Though I do worry about his slow starts. He mashes in the second half, but he was pretty lousy for two-three months last year, and he hasn't been great (yet) this year either. Maybe a change of scenery and the reduced pressure of batting behind Manny Ortez would do him good, but there's still somewhat of a risk there.

Do the Rangers have any 1B prospects behind him? Would they ask for Lowell or Youk in return?

And I'm just curious - do people think Lester is totally off limits?

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on May 10, 2007 10:58 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
The cold hard truth is that the possibility of cancer remission lessens his trade value, even if the FO wanted to trade him, and I don't think they do. I would guess that GMs aren't even bringing him up, unless it's a GM who just wants to make sure he's doing okay.

I do see either Buchholz or Bowden being traded at some point in a package for a big piece, with our rotation within two years or so shaking out as: Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, Bowden/Buchholz, and I guess Wake if he wants to keep on keepin on.

As a temporary or even permanent solution, they could put Botts there, though he kind of profiles as a DH defensively...

Interesting to note that the Rangers have two C prospects who got B minuses according to Sickels. There are others who would disagree with me, but I wouldn't mind another C in the system with at least a medium ceiling.

"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 11:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
I totally agree about adding more C prospects. If he's not included in another trade, I'd consider flipping Murphy for one of their prospects, if they're as good as Sickels says. I know Texas was scouting him in the off-season...

I wonder if our FO would consider trading Lester, strictly from a publicity standpoint. He has been through so much, and seemingly has such a close relationship wih the organization, and his eventual spot in the rotation will be such a good story. Nevermind that trading him might "look bad" in a generic sense. I wonder if the FO thinks at all in these terms, or if they make personnel decisions strictly from a "baseball" standpoint.

If the Rangers offer Tex for Lester and WMP, I'd be seriously tempted.

Just my two cents. Keep the change.

by tommy.otm on May 10, 2007 11:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Lester's 23, and his ceiling is still pretty high. Limiting walks (hyperbole alert) is really the only thing he needs to become a #2 quality starter. It'd look bad in a generic sense and in a baseball sense, whereas Buchholz or Bowden being traded could only look bad in the baseball sense.
"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 11:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
Tommy, the prospect behind Tex was Adrian Gonzalez. Unfortunately, the Padres scooped him up. He was a guy I would have loved to have traded for--cheaper than Teixeira both in terms of salary and trade-value, and he's absolutely mashing in San Diego now.
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on May 11, 2007 10:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
A general thought I had was that even if they trade him, they won't neccessarily trade him now, which means Youks' time as a super-corner probably wouldn't start until near/at the trade deadline. No reason not to wait until teams are desperate for the offensive help and Tex has heated up. Ditto, most likely, for Glaus in Toronto, though my guess is that Riccardi would much rather trade him outside the division/league if possible.
"Interesting. No wait, the other thing. Tedious." -Bender Bending Rodriguez.

by Allen Chace on May 10, 2007 11:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Re: This is how rumors are started
I'm not such a fan of Glaus, though I don't have a good reason for it. Sure he strikes out a ton, which is probably why I have a sour impression, but he also hits with power gets on base at a good clip (over .350).
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on May 11, 2007 10:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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