The Sox, PEDs, Andy Pettitte.
Pinstripe Alley...of all places.
After today, I wonder how close Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens remain.
If Andy Pettitte admitted to doing HGH, and essentially admitted that the "evidence" in the Mitchell Report is true, then what does that do to the story Clemens is currently spouting? Can the few people who are giving him the benefit of the doubt truly do so, now? Now that a guy who was mentioned less in connection with the same supplier has admitted to PED-usage?
This isn't to exonerate Andy Pettitte. After reading his statement, I'm not sure that's what he's looking for. Is he still a bit of a hypocrite? Was the language a little less firm than we might've liked? Sure. Am I still not a fan of his? Absolutely.
But there's some value in him being the first prominent PED-user to do more than make a vague apology about nothing in particular.
And let's be honest, as this story is dragged out longer than we might like: It's not just the "dynasty" Yankees who did steroids. Is it more than a coincidence that a healthy number of mid/late-90s Sox appeared on the list? Does this mean that those names (Jason Varitek, Trot Nixon, amongst others) that truly shook us, on the false "leaked" list(s), are innocent?
I will say, given the accuracy of the non-factually based statement that I just made, that I'll defend Mitchell as being non-biased in this. The NYM and NYY clubhouse guys/trainers were simply easier to catch up to for whatever reason.
Mo Vaughn, Boston.com
And when I think about it: as a child of the late 80s/early 90s, only Mike Greenwell could've hurt me more than Mo Vaughn. I'm sure everyone here has their own semi-rational fave player along the Greenwell-line, but Mo. Mo was the one constant positive for a number of years, and we had not yet become so used to PEDs to the point of expecting one of our own to be named. This doesn't taint the work he has done outside of baseball, or by most indications, not his entire career in Boston. But Mo was a Boston staple when there wasn't much to be counted on from the Sox, and all of that was during a "simpler" time, so to speak. Somehow, I feel like Mo being named should and does hurts us more than the possibility of Trot Nixon or 'Tek could've.
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by Matzushocka on
Dec 16, 2007 3:06 PM EST
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by Allen Chace on
Dec 16, 2007 3:12 PM EST
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by tommy.otm on
Dec 16, 2007 3:22 PM EST
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Re: The Sox, PEDs, Andy Pettitte.
by Matzushocka on
Dec 16, 2007 3:38 PM EST
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Where do you draw the line? You can't strip anybody of awards...
by LateInningRelief on
Dec 17, 2007 1:38 PM EST
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Re: The Sox, PEDs, Andy Pettitte.
Either you strip everyone in that race of a medal, or just acknowledge it was part of an era that was corrupted by the use of PEDs.
by britsoxfan on
Dec 18, 2007 3:13 AM EST
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by Matzushocka on
Dec 16, 2007 3:38 PM EST
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candy?
that is much cooler the.
by OilCanBoyd on
Dec 16, 2007 3:44 PM EST
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All that being said, I think 'Tek, Pedro, Papi, and Manny, in that order, would be the most damaging to the Red Sox Championship credibility and overall, recent reputation.
by SoxDevil on
Dec 18, 2007 9:33 AM EST
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Re: The Sox, PEDs, Andy Pettitte.
puuhh, i do not want to think about that too much :(
i believe in the integrity of Tim Wakefield.
and he is the one i would really be a bit disappointed.
my first favorite of the Sox was Boggs but somehow i would not be so much disappointed (or surprised) from him as from Wakefield.
actually my first Red Sox favorite would have been Todd Benzinger but his career with the Sox was over before i could learn the rules of the game.
there are other players from different teams which i could think of.
the most of all players i would be disappointed is Mr. Ripken by far.
but i have good hope that he is the real deal and so i still adore him (i heard stories about his father and how tough he was).
and there are people i do not care much.
Clemens.
i was convinced he did it before and more important i knew that he is an asshole before.
and guys where i just doesn't matter to me if they did take stuff or not.
Offerm...
by OilCanBoyd on
Dec 18, 2007 1:32 PM EST
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What's wrong with Dewey?
by tommy.otm on
Dec 18, 2007 5:56 PM EST
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Re: What's wrong with Dewey?
by SoxDevil on
Dec 20, 2007 12:16 PM EST
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Dec 20, 2007 9:39 PM EST
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