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A possible Sox lineup change

I've got an idea. And you know what? It just might work.

Stick with me here and follow my logic:

  • The Sox trade Coco Crisp and a minor leaguer or two to the Texas Rangers. In return, the Red Sox receive catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia. I'm not sure of the specifics -- like if anyone else will be involved -- but these two are the key factors.
  • With that, the Red Sox move Kevin Youkilis from first base to third base.
  • After Youkilis moves to third base, that leaves a hole at first base. Who do we put there?
  • Jason Varitek becomes the Red Sox's new first baseman.
  • Saltalamacchia becomes the every day catcher.
  • Did you follow?

This does a lot of positive things and, of course, negative things. The positive things are as follows (I'm enjoying bullets. Bare with me):

  • The Red Sox would have a catcher of the future. Saltalamacchia would fill a hole the Red Sox have been fearing ever since Varitek signed a 4-year contract with the team. They also realized catchers don't last forever.
  • By moving Varitek to first, the pressure would be taken off his knees. Varitek could have a longer career but still be an effective member of the team. I think Varitek would adjust very nicely to first and be really good defensively.
  • With Youk at third, that means the Red Sox don't need to spend $35 million a year on some Most Valuable Player to be named later. The Sox would save money and plug holes at the same time.

And the negative:

  • Saltalamacchia would have an obvious learning curve. And we'll never know if he's going to pan out like he should. He could be a complete bust right out of the gate and then the Sox look like losers.
  • Youkilis at third means the Sox lose defense at both corners of the infield. Youkilis is an above-average third baseman, but he is an amazing first baseman.
  • The biggest negative factor: If Varitek moves to first then he will no longer be in control of the pitching staff. That would be a huge loss for the Red Sox. On the bright side, Varitek could teach Saltalamacchia the ways of the Jedi and maybe he could smell the ballpark that Varitek is in.

Let me hear it, Red Sox Nation.

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Re: A possible Sox lineup change
I'll give you kudos for thinking outside the box.  But I think that's really the only major positive I can come up with.

First it would take much more than Coco and two ML'ers.  Unless those minor leaguers had the last names of Lester and Ellsbury.  Remember, this is the guy they traded Teixeira for.  

Second, I think this is just a change for change sake and doesn't do the Sox much good.  Basically a band-aid for the possible vacant hole at 3B.  

As it stands, Tek's best asset is his ability to call quality, if not extraordinary, games for his pitchers.  You acknowledged it.  Taking away his best asset just out of the prayer that it works out at first seems like a far fetched plot.  You go from two gold glovers at first and third to an average at third and a question mark the size of Coors field at first.

Simply signing Lowell or the MVP-to-be-named-later solves the 3B problem and it's something the Sox can do with only cash.  And after this latest WS win, the Red Sox are going to be printing money.  Unfortunately probably at the ticket buyers' expense.

by Red Peltic on Nov 8, 2007 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
But what about the future behind the plate in Fenway?

by Randy Booth on Nov 8, 2007 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
Im confident that the Salty One could be start behind the plate but in order to get him we'd have to give up our own stars.  Probably a combination of Buchholz, Lestah, or Tacoby with Crisp to get the job done.  

If he could be had for a few lesser prospects then I think it's something you look into.  Don't get me wrong, I like what I see from Salty, but I think Texas does too.  I think they're going to build around him and Kinsler as corner stones.

by Red Peltic on Nov 9, 2007 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
I guess it comes down to supply and demand. How badly do they need a CF? How badly do they need Salty? And all the other factors that weigh in, of course.

by Randy Booth on Nov 9, 2007 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
Theo is on record as saying that he think 'Tek has many good years left in him behind the plate, and that the Red Sox are not concerned about finding a catcher for the future any time soon.

Combine that with the fact that 'Tek's main strengths are his leadership abilities and game-calling, and I think it'd be foolish to move him to 1B.

He also doesn't hit well enough to be a 1B.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Nov 9, 2007 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
Interesting idea, and relatively low risk if thats the price (seems like a matter of time before crisp gets traded somehow). But i dont see them taking tek away from this pitching staff. Sounds like Saltalamacchia could play first too.

by spinz on Nov 8, 2007 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
If Salty can play first, maybe he can switch over if Varitek retires any time soon. Like I said, it would hurt if Varitek was taken away from the pitching staff, but we'd be grooming a future star of the Sox and cheaply filling holes.

by Randy Booth on Nov 8, 2007 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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I think Salty has played first in the past, with the Braves. He could play first when Tek catches, and catch when Tek takes a breather. Youk could move between 1st and 3rd, with Moss (1B), Lowrie (3b) and Cora (3b) spelling him.

It's risky. And of course the x-factor is whether Salty can catch a knuckle ball.

And I agree that it's take at least Lester and Crisp. I'd do that deal. Salty will be a monster bat in the not too distant future.

Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Nov 9, 2007 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

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I'd do Lester and Crisp. I'm not sure if I'd trade Buchh and Crisp or Ellsbury and Crisp. Actually, I wouldn't.

I like the idea of Salty playing first and resting Varitek every 4 days or however that'd work out. Salty really should develop into a great young catcher.

by Randy Booth on Nov 9, 2007 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
I wouldn't trade Ellsbury or Bucholz for a potential star - only for an established one.

I do worry what playing Salty too much at first would do to his development as a catcher. He's not the strongest defensive catcher as it is.

Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Nov 9, 2007 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He's established
But there's a footnote to my rule - "No fatties."
Manny Ramirez is a bad man

by tommy.otm on Nov 9, 2007 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Hah!
"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Nov 9, 2007 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

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Varitek at 1b?  I don't see it.

Varitek's primary value to the team is how well he handles the pitching staff.  If you put him at first base, you suddenly have the worst-hitting first baseman in the AL.

First base is where you put the guy with the big bat who doesn't necessarily field well.  Having Varitek at 1b is like putting Kevin Millar in the lineup.  

When Varitek can no longer catch, he should probably retire.  Unlike Piazza, his bat is not good enough to be kept in the lineup for its own sake.  

by RickD on Nov 9, 2007 7:15 AM EST reply actions  

Varitek's future
He should catch as long as he can, and then he should be a pitching coach somewhere.  Clearly he is fantastic at handling pitchers.  

by RickD on Nov 9, 2007 7:16 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Varitek's future
I could see Varitek ending his career and then becoming a bench coach and then a manager. That's his future, I think.

by Randy Booth on Nov 9, 2007 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
Sweet fancy moses.

That being said, I agree with Rick. 'Tek's main strength at this point is blocking pitches and working with our pitching staff. He's also declining offensively, which means he'll be below par as a 1B. I do agree that he'd be fine over there on defense, but I just don't see it making sense more than once every week or so, with, as I've mentioned before, the Sox going to a 3- 2 rotation with their backup catcher.

by Allen Chace on Nov 9, 2007 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

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I think Varitek has such minimal value if he is not behind the plate. I wouldn't do it. I dont think Texas will trade Salt either.

by Matzushocka on Nov 9, 2007 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
"There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity.  It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area we call the Twilight Zone."

by 0157H7 on Nov 9, 2007 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
Is that the area inside the scoreboard @ the Green Monster?

by Matzushocka on Nov 9, 2007 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
Yeah, you get a lot of triples hit into there.
Bottom 9th B:1 S:0 O:0 With Bill Mueller batting, Dave Roberts steals (1) 2nd base.

by britsoxfan on Nov 9, 2007 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: A possible Sox lineup change
No way they would agree to that. First off, they would have no use for Crisp. They already have TWO solid center fielders they would prefer easily over Crisp. (Byrd and Murphy.)

Second, it would take a lot more than Crisp and two minor leaguers, even if they needed a CF. If there was a trade involving Crisp, it would have to include a top prospect like Michael Bowden and a solid catching or 1st base prospect. (Maybe Lars Anderson?)

by Albert Chang on Nov 13, 2007 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

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