but we keep delcarmen and send cash and a ptbnl

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/27/done_deal_sox_land_crisp/

Three trades --
We send Sanchez and H-Ram for Mota, Lowell, and Beckett.
We send Atlanta $11 million and Renteria for Marte.
We send Mota, Marte and Shoppach and $x million for Crisp and Riske.

So goodbye to three of our top prospects, Renteria and ~$13(?) million.
Hello to Crisp, Beckett, Lowell (who's got at least as much risk as Renteria), and Riske.

Part of me thinks we got fleeced, but that's because it's easy to get attached to guys in your team's system.   We gave up an underperforming SS (though odds are he'd have done better in year 2), money (which the team only seems to care about when it's re-signing our own free agents), and potential (including Shoppach, a prospect who had nowhere to go but down), in exchange for an everyday CF who's roughly equivalent to last year's CF (at a fraction of the cost), a top of the rotation starter, a decent reliever, and an overpriced Gold Glove 3B with the potential to be great.  All told, maybe it's not so bad after all.

This kind of sucks. Where does Ellsbury fit in? Why did we not just stick Murphy in center and give him a shot, then if that failed, trade for a center feilder. I was listening to the Big Show on WEEI and they had a stat that said of the 590 ABs Crisp had only ONCE did he go to 3-0, ONLY ONCE. And he wants to bat lead-off. Maybe Papa Jack can knock some sense into him. I don't like this deal at all. Do you realize how nasty the indians are going to be in a few years? How did we not pull off the Kerns deal? If we did that, we could have kept Marte  and dealt clement, which would have started to solve our rotation problem. Plus, we could have kept Marte. What i am thinking might happen though is that we will be in third at the break and suddenly we will have a firesale, restocking the farm system and rebuilding. This si what we need to do. As opposed to the 2004 World Series team, this is nothing like it. We are trying to take that team and build around it while losing key players, like Pedro, and Damon. But, lets look at this in another way. Marte sucked last year for the Braves, and sucked in the D.R. Crisp can be great and Riske, well, yeah. I liked the rumored deal that had us landing that kid Garko. He is pretty sick. I just hope that Theo knows what he is doing and is not screwing us over for next season.
Lets look at the starting line-up shall we?
Crisp
Loretta
Papi
Manny
Lowell
Tek
Trot
Youk
Cora
I like it, but crisp is a question mark at the top spot

Bullpen
CP: Foulke
RP: Timlin
RP: Riske
RP: Tavarez
RP: Seanez
RP: That Japanese guy we signed (has anyone heard anything else on this?)
I am probably forgetting someone, but that is solid

Rotation:
Schilling
Beckett
Clement
Wake
Paps/Arroyo/Wells
if healthy, our rotation could be kind of nasty. Add Clemens, and we have the best rotaion in the majors, it even will rival Chicago.

Well I hope we can win with this. I can envision Foulke being traded along with another RP to make way for Delcarman (if we give him up, i don't know what i will do) and Hansen. Depending on the market for releif pitching (there always is....) we could get some good players in return.

We shall see.

It seems to me, that when Crisps current numbers at his age when compared to Damon's numbers during the same point in his career, seem very good. I also like the player profile of Crisp, stating that he is a real team player, a hard worker, and a fan favorite.

There seems to be some suspicion with Marte considering one of baseball's top prospects got dealt twice in one off-season. I remember when Tim Naehring was thought more highly of by scouts than Mo Vaughn was when they were both in the minors.

I still find it hard to get attached to a player like Marte, when all of his major league stats are nothing more than projections. Regardless of how much a hitter tears it up in the minors, which he didn't do so much if you compare him to the likes of Delmon Young, and Albert Pujols when he was in the minors, he still has to prove himself against major league pitching. Maybe he will be the next Bagwell, but he could also be the next Adrian Beltre.

I also think Shoppach was overrated, and that his bat may never be able to handle major league pitching. I believe the Boston office felt this way too.

Cash considerations seem to be taking the place of Manny Delcarmen, who will never be the player to be named later anyways.

Coco could easily be moved to a corner when Ellsbury is ready. He is already a proven player who has the ability to do even better. 40+ doubles last year could translate into a whole lot more power playing at Fenway.

Riske is a much safer bet to perform than Mota, and Guillermo was only a bonus in the whole Marlins-Red Sox trade.

The Red Sox still have Jon Lester, Craig Hansen, Jon Papelbon, Manny Delcarmen, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury, and some other good prospects, which is a whole lot more than they have had in a long time.

I like Crisp a lot, and I think that he will make an excellent fit on the club.

But good riddance to Mota.

Bard hits for an even worse average than Shoppach, walks less, has much less power and is regarded as a worse defensive catcher. How in the world can you say Bard is better than Shoppach?

Crisp is a below average defensive CF or a below average offensive LF. He is not a good player. If Pedroia plays SS and Lowell bounces back, he will have the worst OBP on the team and one of the weaker SP. He could easily be the worst hitter on the team. And maybe the second worst fielder, after Manny.

Marte is going to be a stud. This trade probably makes us slightly better in 06, about the same in 07 and much worse in 08-12. The difference this year is probably not enough to change our postseason fortunes. But it almost certainly will in 08 and beyond. Our chance of building a real dynasty just took a drastic blow.

"Marte is going to be a stud".  Really?  I am glad you KNOW this.  Maybe you should have appled for the open GM position?  Considering he got traded twice in one offseason, must be a can't miss kid.