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Let Me Throw it Out There

Ok. I might get a big slap across the face for suggesting this, but just hear me out for a minute, OK? Just one minute.

Instead of calling up Jeremi Gonzalez or Abe Alvarez to get a start before Wade Miller is ready, why don't we have Keith Foulke take a shot and start a game?

Call me crazy, but it might just work. Foulke was originally a starter, so we know he has the stamina. Foulke started 70 games in the minors and finished with an ERA around 3.29. He also started in eight games for the San Francisco Giants back in 1997, but those results weren't anything to talk about (1-5 record, 8.26 ERA). But that was before Foulke was Foulke. So why not give him another shot?

Foulke could seriously snap out of his slump if he puts together one good start for the Red Sox. What do we have to lose? Nothing. Have Mike Timlin be the closer for one night -- it won't kill us. I think it would be great for Foulke and the Sox to try this just once. Foulke could end up having a great game and then head back to the bullpen where he would have the confidence to close out games.

I've thrown out a poll for Red Sox Nation. Click "Entry Link" at the bottom of this post to participate in it. And be sure to give me some feedback in the comments section.

Poll
Would you like to see Keith Foulke get a spot-start to try and break out of his slump?
Yes
20 votes
No
25 votes
Maybe
8 votes

53 votes | Poll has closed

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Crazy......
but it sounds good to me. Foulke needs something to get him back to what he was last year. I personaly haven't felt confident knowing he was warming up in the pen this season. Something has to change, we need our closer back(and soon PLEASE).

by Rob Booth on Apr 28, 2005 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...
I totally agree. He himself keeps saying that he wants more time out there. So give him a game. What will we lose? I mean, we could lose either way, but maybe he'll be a success.

by la belle vie on Apr 28, 2005 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

It would also set a tone for the pitching staff
Just like Wake taking the ball late in Game 3 of the ALCS and taking lumps for the rest of the staff, having Foulke step up into the rotation sends a message to the other guys that you do whatever it takes for the team.

It would also give him room to experiment a bit more with his pitches to see where he can make a fix.

by WooRat on Apr 28, 2005 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Foulke
Maybe he could use the slider more in a start too.

by Randy Booth on Apr 28, 2005 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno...
There was a time when he had the stamina, but he doesn't any more. He's a reliever now who is used to a one inning appearance. A pitcher will usually take an entire winter to train if he knows he'll be making the jump from the bullpen to the rotation. I predict that he'd probably be able to put up 2 innings.

Besides, that wouldn't screw us out of a closer for one night, it'd use him up for at least a week. He'd have to take some time off before the start to prepare and then he would need to rest up for a few days before he could pitch again.

I don't like the idea.

by Brian Martin on Apr 28, 2005 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Foulke
Foulke isn't your typical closer though. He sometimes goes in there for 2 innings. We saw it happen last year on a few occassions. There's no doubt in my mind that, if he was pitching well, he could put up atleast five innings in a start.

by Randy Booth on Apr 28, 2005 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right now...
... I like anything that puts Timlin in more critical relief situations than Foulke.  
Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Apr 28, 2005 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Theo
One of the things that has stuck with me in my multiple veiwing of "Faith Rewarded: The Historic Season of the 2004 Boston Red Sox" is that Theo said (which i though was complete and total bull at the time) "In signing Keith Foulke we knew that we didn't just sign one of the best closers in baseball, but one of the game's best pitchers." Now that you metion the idea of him going to the starting rotation, i can sort of believe what Theo said. Foulke (as we have seen) has thrown 50 pitchs in an outing and looked fine (by fine i mean he did not look like his arm was about to fall off, when ever your closer pitches 50 pitches in an inning, you know there is trouble...) Giving him a start would be an interesting idea.

by absolutelax395 on Apr 28, 2005 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad idea
Foulke has started in almost ten years. The preparation is completely different for a starter and after he starts he's done for the next 4 days or so. That means we'd have Timlin as the closer for all those games. Timlin's good but he also has problem with giving up home runs. I don't think that would make me feel any better about the last inning.

Also, Foulke has two pitches. If you think he's doing poorly when these guys get one look at him a night, think how they'll start teeing off on him the second and third time through the lineup.

Trust me. Foulke will get back on target. He'll be fine. Back away from the ledge.

by djslippyb on Apr 29, 2005 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Foulke
3 pitches. He throws an occassional slider.

But there are starting pitcher that can get away by just throwing 3 pitches.  With a start, Foulke could work on his slider more often and then maybe use it more in closing situations.

by Randy Booth on Apr 29, 2005 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 pitches, but...
... a good changeup is a great second pitch, and a very good one is enough to win with just the fastball, too.

And, ahem, our best pitcher right now is only throwing one pitch.  

Tony the Pony

by Tony the pony on Apr 30, 2005 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake
His curve is pretty good too. But yeah, he is primarily a knuckleballer.

by Randy Booth on May 1, 2005 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very Bad Idea
Aside from the Fact that Foulke would have to completely change his routine for a few days leading up to his start, then only be able to throw around 5 innings, and then be out of comission for about 4 days, it's a bad idea because mentally the role is so different.

It's very unlikely that Foulke would use such an opportunity to build momentum. His approach to every hitter would be different; as a closer the goal is perfection - get three outs before anyone can score, but as a starter it's ok to give up a few runs, and it's bout getting out of jams with as little damage as possible. If Foulke gives up two runs through 5 innings that is a solid start but it would probably hurt him mentally, if anything. If he goes perfect for 5 innings it might make him feel great, but he was pitching under completely different circumstances, perhaps with a solid lead or at least with little pressure to be perfect.

It's really, flat-out, an awful idea, and far more likely to be the day Keith Foulke never recovered from, than the day that sparked his rejuvenation.

by Nick T @ Over the Monster on Apr 29, 2005 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

devil's advocate
I disagree that Foulke would be unprepared mentally for the trials of leaping into a starting role.  That he came through the minors as a starter and even made some MLB starts shows that he's been there many times.

 As far as preparation of relievers/starters, it's certainly true there's a difference, but isn't Halama a (long) reliever that Tito is planning on trying out as a starter?  

Personally, I like the idea, for a short time period, because of the surprise factor involved.  I wouldn't want Foulke a permanent starter, though.

Question:  Isn't Wakefield able to recover quicker than "normal" starting pitchers, and pitch on 3, maybe 4, days rest?  Couldn't Wakefield be given more starts (a personal 3-4 day rotation) during this time period?

by etg630 on Apr 29, 2005 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wakefield
That's another thing to ponder. Since he is a knuckleballer, he can usually pitch more. I think Wake would be able to go every four games.

by Randy Booth on Apr 29, 2005 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poll
Interesting. The poll started in heavy favor of "yes" and now has turned and 39% say that it would be a bad thing.

by Randy Booth on Apr 29, 2005 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I honestly hadn't thought of this.
Now I have, and it both intrigues and terrifies me.

by Boston Fan in Michigan on Apr 29, 2005 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

NO!!!!
why risk our closers health just to give him more time or get him out of a funk. he is a professional and will get out of his pitching slup in no time; plus, if we pitch him, we have to make timlin a closer for more than just one day. folke will be out for at least 3 days to recover. nice try, but i dont think it will work.

by redsoxnationwest on Apr 29, 2005 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

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