Tuesday Red Sox Notes: Jason Varitek, Homer Bailey, And Roy Oswalt
Let's open with a reminder about just how close to real baseball we are:
Lester is referring to the new spring training complex of the Red Sox, JetBlue Park. While pitchers and catchers aren't required to be there yet, Lester is already working out in Florida. We're so close, everyone.
Jason Varitek was extended an invitation to spring training by the Red Sox, but with Kelly Shoppach signed and Jarrod Saltalamacchia in tow once more, it's unlikely Varitek will get a job even if he shows up to try. Rob Neyer wrote about this today over at Baseball Nation, in reference to Varitek's legacy, a word that came up via Nick Cafardo:
It's hard to imagine a more personal choice than that between playing for another season -- plying one's chosen trade, and being well compensated for it -- and locking up one's legacy. However hard that last might be to define.
Are people really going to remember or care if Varitek spends a few months wearing a Twins uniform? Cafardo references Dwight Evans (disapprovingly) and Jorge Posada (approvingly); Evans finished his career with one season in Baltimore after 19 in Boston, while Posada called it quits this winter when the Yankees didn't want him.
We've all been Varitek fans here, but we've also all just about had enough of him at this point, given he'll be 40 years old. Neyer asks if Red Sox fans will feel different about Varitek if he signs elsewhere if given the opportunity; well, would you?
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Also at Baseball Nation, I wrote about the back end of the Red Sox rotation, and the options they have to work with at present. It's likely nothing you haven't read from me here before (this is a Red Sox blog, after all), but rather than spread out piecemeal across three months, it's all there in 1,100 words.
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Ben Buchanan asked earlier today if the Red Sox should kick the tires on Homer Bailey, since the Reds are reportedly interested in Roy Oswalt. If he's available, you can certainly count on me voting "Yes" on that one. The problem is, according to Reds' beat writer John Fay, who spoke to Cincinnati general manager Walt Jocketty about the Oswalt rumors:
"It's all rumors," he said. "I'm sick and tired of it. We've had no serious talks. We've had no contact with the player."
General managers say a lot of things, either for negotiating purposes, or to keep their fan base's optimism at the appropriate level -- you don't want to promise your fans Roy Oswalt if you aren't guaranteed to get him. But this seems, given Jockett's forceful denial and disgust with the rumors, that the Reds might legitimately be out on Oswalt. Or were never in on him to begin with, as it were.
Of course, that's also good news for Boston. They might not expect to be in on Oswalt anymore, but if he legitimately has nowhere else to go -- remember, the Rangers and Cardinals still don't have room for him -- then hey, default victory! Buster Olney thinks it's a possibility, still -- in fact, the "most seamless track" for Oswalt, even.
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1. (Varitek) – If he wants to go and play elsewhere, to me that doesn’t sully or injure in anyway his time with the Red Sox.
3. As I said today in Daily Links, I can’t see Oswalt coming to Boston at this point. If he’s going to take a well below market deal to pitch in an east coast city that’ll probably be back in Philadelphia.
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Agree on Tek... unless he went to the Yankees, who are we to fault him for wanting to play.
And on Oswalt, you’re probably right there too. Not really much incentive to come bruise his career numbers in the AL East, if the Phillies would bring him back there. A good chance to chase a ring there too.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
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I wouldn’t want Tek in another uniform, but at the same time I don’t think I’d begrudge him wanting to play the game another year. I’d still love and respect everything he’s done in Boston. He’ll be the captain in my head pretty much forever regardless. On the other hand, his career is nearly over, and retiring gracefully would be nicer to see. Plus, It’d be oddly appropriate if he and Posada retired the same year.
I'd love for Tek to retire while wearing a Red Sox cap
But I can’t fault him if somebody wants to pay him to sit on a bench.
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Olney link
is to an article about the Brewers.
Scroll.
Olney basically does column + notes. Oswalt mention is in the notes bit.
A Roy Oswalt deal would be tricky for the Cincinnati Reds. The easiest, most seamless track for Oswalt to make money probably would be to sign with the Red Sox, who are offering about $5 million.
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by Marc Normandin on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
On that note, though
It’d be nice if everything had built-in anchor tags
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by Marc Normandin on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Seems
like every time I finish the last New Post there`s a new one up. Thanks for all the hard work!
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I can’t wait.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions
I'll hate spring training two weeks into it
But right now it’s the most beautiful idea there is
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by Marc Normandin on Feb 7, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
What are you talking about, two weeks in Aaron Cook will be on a 10 innings no hit streak.
And we’ll be anointing him our #1 starter, what’s there to hate about that?
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Vtek was the catcher through the glory years. He handled the staff very very well, caught 4 no bitters by 4 different pitchers, and provided excellent leadership by example. Plus he had no problem throwing down vs. The Yankee$. I say re-sign him or let him play wherever he wants AND help him get to the Hall of Fame 5years after he hangs it up!
I kicked his HOF candidacy around in here before...
… sadly, the numbers just aren’t there for him to get in. Red Sox HOF for sure, but not Cooperstown. I love the Captain, and it’ll be sad to see him (and Wake) go, but it’s probably time.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
IMO
There should be shrines for the 2004 Red Sox, the 2005 White Sox, and the Cubs team that finally wins it. The three longest winless streaks in baseball. More if the Indians take a long time to win it again.
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Yeah unfortunately Tek doesn't have much of a chance
If you look at the catchers who’ve been inducted who played after 1940, they all were better offensively than Tek, and were all arguably among the top few (the best in most cases) at their position over their tenure. Campanella, Berra, Bench, Fisk, Carter, etc. All were for the most part better than Tek offensively.
Oh, they could also throw out baserunners, something Tek has struggled with. I love Tek but it’s just not there for Cooperstown…without a doubt should be in the Sox Hall of Fame though.
Of catchers in the last two or three decades…I can think of Pudge and Piazza are probably locks. I don’t count Biggio as a catcher since he played 1 inning of it after the age of 25. If Mauer gives at LEAST 5-6 more healthy Joe Mauer-esque seasons I would say he is in. Posada may have an outside shot but I’m thinking it is not likely. I feel like I’m missing someone but the list of catchers who can stay healthy enough long enough to compile HOF stats is small.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 7, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Most MFY fans I've talked to
don’t consider Posada HoF material. They feel the same way we feel about ’Tek. Team hall of fame, definitely. Number retired perhaps, but no Cooperstown.
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Brian McCann perhaps? Not yet of course. He probably needs 8-10 more seasons.
Yeah if McCann kept up with even 8+ seasons of what he has done in the first six and a half years he could end up making a case at some point. He’s turning 28 in a couple weeks and he already is a six-time all star and five-time silver slugger award.
It’s so hard with catchers to keep them healthy enough for a long enough time.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 10, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I lean towards cutting players loose earlier than later
I wouldn’t have resigned Ortiz last year, much less this year and I sure as hell wouldn’t support supplementing his arbitration case this year with a 2 year, less money deal. No thanks. I’d rather a player go play one good season for a rival then whither on the vine in Fenway.
So, Varitek, hell no.
Okay, so even with hindsight on Ortiz' performance in 2011, you wouldn't have signed him?
What if… just a possibility… that new approach Ortiz had, where he started driving the ball to the opposite field instead of trying to yank everything out to RF was more than just a coincidence (since his new teammate and first baseman seems to have that approach down)? What if Ortiz just added a couple years of production at the end of his career?
For my money, and the flexibility it could give us for the 2012 payroll, I offer him 2/$22 and see if that gets it done… rather than risking the $16 million being awarded in arbitration.
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Yankees now have Bill Hall, Manny Delcarmen and Hideki Okajima in camp……..which of course means that said players will all come up with awesome out-of-nowhere seasons just to spite us
Well...
… that “stem-cell therapy” works miracles.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 7, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I can't believe that the MLB let a player who had a procedure done on him that's illegal in the United States play professional baseball.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 7, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
You mean Colon... or ARod?
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I meant Colon
Did A-Rod have the same treatment?
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If I remember correctly
he had a treatment, at the very least, not available in the US. Not sure if it was illegal. But he cleared it with MLB before going ahead with it.
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One would think
that a US-run sports league would conform to what the United States believes is legal.
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by TheLoneDavid on Feb 7, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
well with experimental procedures
not being approved by the US isn’t necessarily the same as specifically outlawed.
Exactly. There are MS procedures available in the US
that aren’t available in Canada, and I know of people who have gone down to get them done.
This would be the same thing, I guess.
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He went to Germany to have the same procedure that Kobe had
Orthokine.
I guess I was incorrect looking at it by wording it with “legal”…it’s an experimental procedure and I haven’t heard a U.S. doctor say that it was available or cleared by the FDA. MLB said they don’t approve or disapprove of “procedures” when they were asked about it. Bloggy is right though, he cleared it with the team and league, whereas Colon didn’t even tell the team until after he had his stem-cell treatment done.
So just ignore me. I would apologize for misrepresenting but it’s A-Rod so #%@# him.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 7, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Colon
Didn’t he have a procedure done before he signed with anyone? i.e., the procedure and its results were part of the reason he got signed anyway?
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by Marc Normandin on Feb 7, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah he did
he had the procedure done during the season, then signed with the Yankees after destroying the winter league. Would have been weird for him to clear it with the MLB as he was not a part of the MLB at the time.
So A-Rod's probably cool
but work with stem cells IS specifically outlawed in the US (thanks Bush), thus his procedure should not have been allowed by the MLB, I would call it a performance-enhancing medical procedure.
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by TheLoneDavid on Feb 7, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Is work with all stem cells banned?
Or just from outside sources? Because those were Colon’s own stem cells, IIRC.
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by Marc Normandin on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
only embryonic ones
and even those, IIRC, aren’t banned, they just can’t receive federal funding (and even that I believe has been lifted somewhat in the last couple years)
How does a 40 year old man still have stem cells?
Someone with a medical or biology degree explain this to me, I thought they all went away by the time puberty ended.
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by TheLoneDavid on Feb 7, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Working with stem cells is not banned
The term “stem cells” is a very broad term. My girlfriend works in a cancer hospital and they use donor harvested “stem cells” for transfusions. But those are not the same as embryonic stem cells. Now she went into a lot of details that I do fully follow, but I can say that what Colon had done might not be what comes to mind when you hear “stem cells”.
The ban was on federal funding for embryonic stem cells stuff.
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A-Rod is never cool.
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All reports I've seen
Is that they did not know he had the procedure before they signed him. The only reason they ended up telling them is because the doctor from Florida who flew to the DR to do the procedure was contacted by the NY Times and they were doing a story on this type of procedure. At that point the agent told the team and they told the league.
He called Pena up and threw with him some on the side in Winter Ball and asked for a chance. Pena liked what he saw and the rest is history. You can believe what you want whether they knew about it pre-signing. But all reports say they did not.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 8, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Varitek needs to retire.
There is nothing worse than when an athlete doesn’t know when to hang em up. I’d rather athletes who hang them up early than to late…ala Barry Sanders.
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