Sunday Discussion: The Unrootables
A few weeks ago, I asked you all about the rationale behind assigning moral significance to on-field events. There was some great feedback, and while I'm still unconvinced that karmic narratives are terribly useful, I feel a little more comfortable in understanding why they're around. Today, I'd like to turn things around a bit, and talk about what goes on off the field.
This is, of course, inspired by the A's recent signing of Manny Ramirez to a minor-league deal. Manny... Let's just say he has some baggage. While he was in Boston, most of that baggage was limited to his mental lapses in the outfield and his often-vocal pouting about media treatment and perceived lack of respect from ownership/fans/local wildlife. Following his trade to Los Angeles, however, Manny's actions have spiraled further into irredeemable territory; a suspension for PED use in 2009, another failed test in 2011 that forced him into retirement, and finally an arrest on domestic battery charges. Clearly, the A's are willing to look past all that, on the off chance that Manny can bring any sort of offensive help to their banjo-hitting lineup.
So today's question, which I'll elaborate upon after the jump: could you look past it?
Baseball has never been a sport over-burdened by saints. We're all familiar with the failings of players who are considered among the all-time greats. Mickey Mantle's drinking and womanizing. Ty Cobb's willingness to inflict violence upon others on and off the field. And so forth. We accept on some level that they lived in different times, that standards of behavior were different, and shrug as we lament the barbarism of the past. These stories were set in bronze before we were born, and it's not as though we were the ones rooting for Cobb even after he beat up a heckling fan. Our condemnation of their actions is a simple matter, unburdened by the demands of fandom.
On a smaller level, we've all got players who we just for some reason don't like. We don't care for their style of play, we don't like the way they interact with other players, something about them just bugs us. I think at this point most Sox fans would be on board with A-Rod as a decent example here. Nothing wrong with his play, his off-the-field record is pretty clean, but then there's, well, this. I'd have put pre-Boston John Lackey in this category as well, but he's since given us much more substantial reasons to find him maddening.
So where's that line beyond which we shall not root for a player, even if he's wearing the right jersey? Take, for example, the Rays. Were I a fan of Tampa Bay's, I'd have been annoyed by the Luke Scott signing, since I'm not a huge fan of his occasional forays into political punditry. I could still root for him as a ballplayer, though (with probably an occasional snark-tweet). But their decision to trade for Josh Lueke I wouldn't be able to forgive. And of course, I'm fully aware of the canyon of difference between being politically disagreeable and pleading no-contest to rape charges, these are conveniently pretty much the far ends of the spectrum. It's everything in between that I'm interested by.
How do you reconcile your desire to root for a team with your personal dislike/disgust for one of that team's players? At what point do you throw up your hands and decide "no, he's not worth cheering for"? Had the Sox been the team to gamble on Manny, would you have been able to root for him? Would his performance on the field influence that decision? For that matter, does Manny's behavior since leaving Boston tarnish your memories of his time with the Red Sox? Chat it up.
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No one has given me more joy watching baseball
than Manny Ramirez.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself: "Am I a hater troll?"
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Does it mean no more Crawford?
I would worship Manny again just for that.
"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.
[D]oes Manny’s behavior since leaving Boston tarnish your memories of his time with the Red Sox?
Everyone knows that Manny was clean until he went to the Dodgers, who forced him to take performance enhancers.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 26, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Sarcasm font fail.
"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 26, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
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Sadly, I meant that in reality Manny was likely taking PEDs in Boston (just most of the sluggers on all the other teams in both leagues). Of course, I see no reason to not blame Frank McCourt and Scott Boras for the whole thing. He ostensibly took them for his revolving phantom knee injury, having scored the PEDs from Alex Rodriguez and gotten therapeutic advice on somehow taking PEDs only for recuperative purposes from Andy Pettitte and Bartolo Colon
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 26, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Your sarcasm font was cut off at the end
it ends with “who forced him to t”
"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 26, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not for me it wasn't.
You gotta switch to wide view, mandingo.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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Must be my screen then.
I am in wide view.
"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 26, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wait, nevermind
I didn’t know you could do that.
"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 26, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'M HELPING!
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself: "Am I a hater troll?"
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Top right, where it says "view"
"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.
by TheLoneDavid on Feb 26, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really have a problem with players for off the field stuff
Since there’s little we can ever truly know about those types of situations. I tend to be mad at players for baseball related stuff. For example, I am still harboring bitter feelings about Carl Crawford for not catching that ball.
EXACTLY.
We had Lugo and his incident could be anything from smashing her head into the hood of a car to defending himself. (of course that drags in the ‘men should never hir women, no matter what’ crowd….yeah, right,) Point being, we wern’t there. My cursory investigation shows Lueke to be someone I wouldn’t want on my team, but it’s not like he pretended to have a broken arm and asked this woman to help him move a couch into his van.
And even on the rape charge...
…you know…nevermind…
Immoral behavior makes it impossible for me to like a player
and as immoral behaviors, I include criminal acts, on-field cheating (e.g. steroids), off-field cheating (e.g. marital infidelity), and signing with the MFY. All of these acts render a player irredeemable in my eyes.
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
by Tessie's Dad on Feb 26, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I root for the laundry.
"Man you are one pathetic loser. No offense." - Lloyd Christmas
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by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 26, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions
You put a picture of Manny Ramirez
on an article titled “Unrootable.” Are you mental?
Not baseball related but...
I have to mention Michael Vick. While I am a die hard Sox fan I also have the misfortune of liking the Eagles over in the NFL. So since we are on the topic of “unrootables” I have to mention Vick. Dude is an ex-con who was in federal prison!!! Not to mention he was there for killing defenseless, and innocent dogs (can you tell I’m a dog lover?). Not only is he reinstated but then gets like $100 mil to play football! I think it’s a crime. Had I been in federal prison the school district I teach in would NEVER have given me my job back! Let alone a raise! Yet this is the world we live in. To answer the ultimate question of the post- any athlete that has been convicted of a crime and done time, I find it pretty hard to root for. Even when they are on my favorite team- in any sport.
Thanks Tito & Theo for 04 and 07.
by Fenway302 on Feb 27, 2012 1:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The converse is a significant element of men playing a boys game, with kids among the biggest fans.
The charity work of Wake, Youk, Papi, Ted Williams, et al are appropriate images of baseball icons. The PED-inspired bat does not compensate for the terrible behavior of Manny, often repeated, his slacking, attacking players, staff, family, and disruptive clubhouse behavior. Media and bloggers have slammed Beckett, Ells, CC, DiceK, Pap, Papi, Braun & Others for perceived attitudes and issues yet give Manny a free pass? That’s not right. Manny has worked hard to earn disrespect.
by GerryT on Feb 27, 2012 3:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The media gives Manny a pass?
Are you out of your mind???
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
Look in the mirror and ask yourself: "Am I a hater troll?"
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A joke, perhaps
but people are laughing at Manny not with Manny. It is pathetic. I won’t call him an unrootable —Nomar to me is an unrootable – I can’t stand that guy.
Vick too is an unrootable but I don’t agree with some that Vick should have been banned from the NFL. I think he did his time based on what the laws called for and he should have indeed returned to his ‘job’ . Convicted felons have limited rights but if the laws and the employer allow his return… I think Vick is a monster & a phony but he did not have the best rep before the dog fighting stuff so what did we expect ?
Anyway, despite my years of Manny-love, I can not root for him now but won’t root against him if that makes sense. Way too much nonsense over the years. Manny is that ex-bf that you knew was probably a bad idea but ahead you went because it was going to be a fun ride and then after years of heartache, you dump him but he’d effectively left you a long, long time ago because he was mostly MIA, selfish & didn’t care. It is his own doing but I just hate that he won’t be remembered for his greatness with the Sox.
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