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Wednesday Red Sox Notes: Roy Oswalt, Bob McClure, And Starter Conversions

The Texas Rangers were suspected to be quietly trying to make room for Roy Oswalt on their roster by dealing Koji Uehara. According to general manager Jon Daniels, though, that will not happen: the Rangers are no longer looking to deal Uehara to clear money or space.

The Rangers have had trade discussions with other teams about Uehara, but a deal does not appear likely. General manager Jon Daniels said he doesn't have any trades in the works as Texas prepares for Spring Training.

"There are always some deals in the spring, moves here or there," Daniels said Tuesday. "But we're ready to go with this group of guys. I have no moves planned or anything like that."

The price for Uehara might have been prohibitive to all who were interested, as the Rangers were looking to get "multiple prospects" in return for the reliever they dealt Tommy Hunter and Chris Davis for last July. There is less contract left for Uehara this time around, though, and, whether due to poor luck, an injury, or legitimate failure, Uehara had trouble with homers down the stretch.

What does this mean for the Red Sox, though?

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Boston's offer for Oswalt is supposedly still on the table, even if the Red Sox and general manager Ben Cherington aren't anticipating that he will accept. If the Rangers haven't been able to make room, though, and the Cardinals are yet to do the same (though they at least seem open to trying to find a way) then the Red Sox might still end up winning what has to be the slowest-paced race for a free agent starter in years.

There's no guarantee, but they still have that non-zero chance. Pitchers and catchers have reported to camps around the game, and Oswalt's already in strange territory historically. He'll have to come to a decision soon.

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The Red Sox have a new pitching coach again this year, as they promoted Bob McClure from a scouting role to a job he previously held with other organizations. Alex Speier got a full report from McClure on everyone he has seen throw in camp this year, and it's absolutely worth the read: McClure dishes out more information on mechanics and how pitchers get injured in a few quotes than you'll see most pitching coaches dispense over their tenure.

McClure has praise for Daniel Bard's mechanics and delivery, and how quickly Bard responded to the advice McClure has already given him in terms of preparing to be a starter. McClure thinks Andrew Miller can be a starter in the major leagues, but not unless he makes some major transitions in his mechanics, as he doesn't know anyone accurate who throws like he does. He suspects Felix Doubront is the kind of pitcher who hurts themselves with their motions, and is already at work getting the oft-injured lefty away from those habits.

McClure is also Aaron Cook's former minor league pitching coach with the Rockies, and the one who got him to be as successful as he's been. Cook has some encouraging words regarding McClure and his abilities:

"He never molded any pitcher into the same type of pitcher. He looked at guys' individual abilities and really helped them figure out what was going to work best with them," said Cook. "For me, it was my sinker, pitching to contact and learning to go for strikeouts when you needed them, but if you didn't need them, get the hitter out of the box in four pitches or less."

As said, this is a must-read piece from Speier, with far more insight into what pitching coaches think about than you are used to seeing.

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Speaking of Bard's transition to the rotation, that (and the moves of Neftali Feliz, Chris Sale, and Aroldis Chapman) was my topic at Baseball Nation today. In short: it's amazing how similar Feliz, Sale, and Bard are, in terms of results and repertoire, and their successes, when combined with the others of Texas over the last two years, might help bring about a new market inefficiency of sorts to be exploited by teams across the league.

It's no sure thing that any of these pitchers will be successful starters, but between the research performed by Tom Tango and Nate Silver and the similarities of all of these arms, it's hard not to feel better about Bard's chances. Or worse about all of the others. Either way, there's consistency for your reasoning here.

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that article on McClure is one of my favorite things I've ever read about baseball

I just want to re-iterate: go read it. You just don’t see coaches giving out that much specific information.

by wolf9309 on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

+1

It’s the first thing I’ve read that moved the needle towards the “like” side of the gauge in terms of the Bard-As-Starter thing (which is not to say that the needle has passed or even approached the zero point).

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus, McClure's not History's Greatest Monster, Curt Young

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 22, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like he's referencing the idea

but doesn’t sound like he thinks it needs to be some hard, fast limit. In any case, the Verducci effect specifies 30 innings, and McClure is talking about probably not pitching more than 60ish more, and the Verducci effect only specifies guys younger than Bard

by wolf9309 on Feb 22, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I'm being nitpicky here...

I went to read this article because it was so well recommended, and the information there is fascinating… but as an English major, I’m just appalled that it opens with such a poorly written sentence:

“In a sense, the momentous task facing Bob McClure began even before he was named the Red Sox pitching coach on in late-December, just days before Christmas.”

Does it really say “on in late-December” in that opening sentence??

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 22, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And another further down, with the "their" and "they're" mix up...

“‘Those guys fighting for that fourth and fifth spot, they’ve got to bring they’re A-game every day that they’re pitching,’ said McClure.”

I’m sure it isn’t McClure that said “they are A-game” but rather Speier that wrote it wrong. I try not to jump on typos in here (and I make my fair share — oooh, almost wrote “fare share” there), but this is a professional writer?

Where’s the editor to spot and replace these errors? It’s been up for more than a day with these errors in it? Doesn’t anyone care anymore??

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by AlohaSox on Feb 22, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

LOLBOB

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by Bloggy on Feb 23, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm afraid you and I are a dying breed my Hawaiian compadre.

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by TheLoneDavid on Feb 22, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm assuming that was intentional?

I get the idea of speed, by the way… but how do you not go back and correct the errors after the fact. This isn’t newsprint, where it’s on the newsstand and cannot be fixed… just edit it and correct the errors?

Is that really that hard, or too much to expect??

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by AlohaSox on Feb 23, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

(and I meant BZ's "never and editor"... Wolf's was clearly intentional)

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by AlohaSox on Feb 23, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Roy Oswalt

I seriously never want to hear that name again……..unless he signs with us then I want to hear it ever 5th day.

Seriously, dude. Just pick a team or sit out a year or at least rule us out completely.

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by totheights on Feb 22, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

this is also worth sharing I think

because it is the least Tito-like thing I have ever heard of (from Gammons):

It was between innings of a Sunday night game in Anaheim, July 20, 2008. I was sitting at the end of the visitors’ dugout when Terry Francona walked down, looked me in the eye and said, “Manny Ramirez is the worst human being I’ve ever met.” He turned and walked back.

by wolf9309 on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

That was in an article about Valentine/Cherington from a few months back

I actually referenced it in my Manny piece at Baseball Nation a few weeks ago. Didn’t see that it was out there again today.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 22, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, remembering some of what went on that summer...

… you can imagine there was some of that sentiment around.

I mean, after all, we had put him out on waivers once (where any team could claim him, if they agreed to pay the remainder of that contract), and no one took him. As great a hitter as he may have been, and as big a friend to Big Papi and all… clearly there was some serious baggage with him too.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

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by AlohaSox on Feb 22, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Some?

more like a deluxe Samsonite 5-piece matching set

by BobZupcic on Feb 22, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha!

Yeah, again… the idea that he threw the traveling secretary to the ground that summer (I believe the predates the quote, too)… reminds me a bit of Randy Moss, and the stories around his behavior when he went back to the Vikings.

All the talent in the world cannot make you a good person… just helps others overlook your faults. Have to admit, I think that’s part of why I’ve soured on LeBron after how he handled going to Miami… I feel like we just got a glimpse of his true character there.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 23, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He just has to sign with us

No one else is even giving him an offer

by Bososx13 on Feb 22, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Or he could wait for the first injury, and panicked team...

My money is on the “or” rather than signing in Boston.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 22, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I read Speier's piece on McClure on WEEI yesterday

Far and away the best article about a pitching coach ever.

by Thin on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like McClure is thinking

What 130 innings max for Bard?

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by Rogue Nine on Feb 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Since starter innings aren't the same as relief innings

I’m not sure. Probably depends on his progress during the season, how he feels, how his mechanics are holding up, etc.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 22, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It's probably worth pointing out

that after throwing 7 2/3 innings in 1981- and throwing well under 100 in each of the 6 years before that, McClure went 12-7 in 1982 over 172 2/3 innings with an ERA of 4.22. Then did about as well the next 2 years (though made less starts in both). He wasn’t terribly good at starting, but he also wasn’t terribly good before starting.

So I guess my point is that he’s probably not going to be too stringent about that. Probably especially when he’s coaching under Valentine, who seems dead set on all of the starters pitching at least 9 innings and 150 pitches a game.

by wolf9309 on Feb 22, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh I know, it was gross hyperbole

my point was that he doesn’t seem to feel particularly inclined to be babying his pitchers’ health

by wolf9309 on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as he isn't Dusty Baker with the starters...

… I don’t mind letting guys go deep more often.

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Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Major League Baseball's hidden shame...

… those people in the stands actually got lost on their way to a Furry convention.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 22, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I shouldn't ask... but...

Who is that supposed to be??

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by AlohaSox on Feb 22, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 23, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

At BBQs

Pedro Martinez often yes, “Hey guys, lookit this!” and then spikes one into the ground.

Everyone laughs and then jumps in the hot tub.

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by Bloggy on Feb 23, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

*often YELLS

WTF was that????

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by Bloggy on Feb 23, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Man ... if McClure can fix Andrew Miller's motion

and get him to truly start to realize his long lost potential, that would be the baseball pitching coach equivalent of the parting of the waters.

It’s been painfully obvious that the problem has been something in his stride and the way he lands. You just can’ get a good enough look on TV to always see what it is. It sounds like it was pretty obvious to McClure right away that he was stepping across instead of forward. Why the hell wasn’t that obvious to Curt Young last year?

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by mmmmm on Feb 22, 2012 5:37 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not Curt Young's biggest fan, but

The problem is with Andrew Miller, not his coaches. McClure even says that Miller has to want to do this. If Miller doesn’t stick with the changes, as he never has in the past — be they approach or mechanics-oriented — then it doesn’t matter how easy it is to spot.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 22, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably true.

’Frustrating to see such potential wasted.

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by mmmmm on Feb 22, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

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