Sunday Discussion: Lifelong Sox
Pitchers and catchers report today! Numfar, do the Dance of Joy!
I figured, it being the official day of pitching and catching, that a discussion piece inspired by the two guys I've been watching pitch and catch for my entire adult life would be appropriate. Friday saw the retirement from Major League Baseball of longtime Red Sox pitcher Tim Wakefield in a tearful press conference at JetBlue Park. Mere moments after he had stepped away from the mic, speculation and rumors began to swirl that similarly long-tenured Boston catcher Jason Varitek was considering following Wake into retirement. Whether Tek retires or not, it seems likely that his time in a Boston uniform is at an end.
Neither Wakefield (17 years) nor Varitek (14 years) holds the record for longest tenure at Fenway; that title belongs to Carl Yastrzemski, who wore the B on his cap for 23 years. Yaz, of course, entered the league in a different era, before free agency, before eight-figure contracts. But I don't want to talk about the different eras, save to highlight how rare the long stays in Boston by Wake and Tek were. I'd actually like to consider the future.
With Boston closing the book on the knuckler and the captain, David Ortiz is now the senior member of the Boston Red Sox. 2012 will be his tenth season with the franchise. Kevin Youkilis is close behind, heading into his ninth year. After that, it's Josh Beckett, Dustin Pedroia, and Jon Lester heading into their seventh seasons. Clay Buchholz, Daisuke Matsuzaka, and Jacoby Ellsbury all debuted on the 2007 World Series team. After them, the longest-tenured Sock is Daniel Bard. No, really.So, dear readers, a question: looking at the 2012 roster, see any lifers? Who among the current Red Sox can you imagine giving his retirement speech as a 40- or late-30-something, still wearing a Boston cap? Is staying with one team for an entire career (or the bulk of one) even something to aspire to, or admire? For that matter, is it good baseball? I'll put up a poll with the guys I think most likely to wind up even close to Wake's or Tek's runs with the team, and then it's all yours.
Whose jersey do you still want to be wearing to Fenway in ten years?
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It's likely to be Bard.
With Lester and Pedroia being among the best at their positions, and with our payroll the way it is right now, I’m not sure we can hold onto them.
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The club has control
over Lester through 2014, Pedroia, 2015.
Beckett, Lackey, Dice-K, and Youk — approx. $70MM/year – all (can) come off the books before 2015 at the latest. If they’re the priority and want to stay in Boston, money isn’t going to be a problem.
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I certainly hope it's Pedey
not only is he an incredibly talented player, but he is homegrown and Boston showed a ton of faith in him when everyone else in baseball saw a guy that was too small to be a big league player. He has the work ethic to be an elite player for a long time and Boston should be aggressive in getting him to sign another extension. His next deal doesn’t need to be a particularly team friendly one, but I would hope that he recognizes the special place he holds in Boston and makes staying here a priority. Boston should also see his value both on the field and as the face of the franchise and pay him accordingly. Sox fans might hate the comparison, but it is still true; Pedroia is our Derek Jeter.
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by Mattsullivan on Feb 19, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If they don't find a way to keep Pedey
I probably won’t be able to watch baseball the year we lose him
by camthomas on Feb 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I don't really think any of them will
But I think of those guys, Pedroia will have the longest career and will be with the Sox through it
100% agreement
i doubt any lifers will be on the Sox anymore. too much pressure to produce year after year and if you do somebody will pay you more. see Albert Pujols for an example.
by papoonforpresident on Feb 19, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Who's the guy (gal??) who voted for Ellsbury?
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I was wondering the same thing.
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If Pedey holds up I think he could surpass Wake
The Great Yaz tenure will be hard to top.
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The problem with Pedey is his body
if his body goes, there is really no where to put him. I mean if he can’t play everyday would he be willing to stay on as a MI? Yaz stayed so long because he was able to go LF-1B-DH
I think Pedey could DH in a decade or so
He may not be the big, lumbering type that DHs so often are, but if he gets to the point where he can’t field well (and assuming the team doesn’t pull a Jeter at that point) but doesn’t want to give up baseball…
As good a hitter as he already is, he could probably be even more formidable if he spent all his training time at it. But hopefully he will be manning second for a long while yet.
I voted for Lester
He’s signed for a while, he’s left handed, very good and seems to be past injury concerns (though you never know with pitchers). I think it’s more likely the Sox hold on to him through his age 38 (or whatever) season just based on position (and quality).
Second basemen and relievers don’t generally have long careers so the odds are against Pedroia and Bard (who is a reliever until further notice). We all agree that sadly Ellsbury probably isn’t long for Boston, and Buchholz is a 27 year old pitcher who has topped 100 innings at the major league level in a season once. It’s gotta be Lester. Though if given the option I’d bet against anyone doing it. 17 years is a crazy long time.
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I said Pedroia
but I think people are being way too negative about Ellsbury, he’ll likely regress, and we’ll probably keep him
If he and/or Boras want to leave
They will have numerous options who can and will pay top dollar for his services, even if last year turns out to be his best ever. If it is only a question of money, sure the Sox can retain him, but they may choose not to if he can get an outrageous sum from the MFY or someone.
I just think it is overblown
people are saying trade Ellsbury because he’s guaranteed to leave, I think he’ll stay.
He's not getting traded.
If he leaves it’ll be after he becomes a free agent. There is no scenario where the Red Sox deal him that I can come up with.
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by Matthew Kory on Feb 19, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree the chances of a trade are very low.
However, unless the Sox are comfortable saddling themselves with another contract like Crawford’s, something of similar length and annual salary, someone will be willing to give him 7 or 8 years at around $20+mm per year or more, unless his production falls off a cliff or he spends a lot of time on the DL for the next couple of years, perhaps. I think he will be worth the price, personally, but the team may be unwilling or even unable to invest that much when the time comes. If some other team is willing to toss him an extra year or two or a few million extra, chances are good he will be strongly encouraged to take it, whatever his personal feelings about staying in Boston might be.
They could afford it
I think it’s just a question of their priorities and where they want to budget their money. Looking at their salary obligations in future years they owe seven players a total of ~$94M in 2014, Ellsbury’s first year of free agency, which is a lot. But beyond that it drops to $54M and then $45M so the space is likely there. Depends if 1) Ellsbury wants to stay and 2) if the Red Sox think he’ll be worth whatever it costs to keep him.
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by Matthew Kory on Feb 19, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I believe we are both saying basically the same thing?
If both want him to stay, it will happen somehow, but if one doesn’t, it won’t.
I voted Lester
But, I don’t think any one of these guys will. Pedey would be my second guess, but it comes down to, between those two guys, which one is more likely to be a major league player at age 39? It seems to me that pitchers generally last a little longer so that’s why I went that way. I don’t think Bard will, largely because he was 24 when he broke into the league, so we’d be looking at his age 41 season and Boston seems like it doesn’t care much about retaining it’s relievers and rightfully so. Ellsbury we’re looking at a Boras client and at his age 40 year, let’s remember that Mike Camera retired today, his last game he was 38 years old.
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(How long do they have to be unable to report before the Sox can void their contracts?)
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by Tessie's Dad on Feb 19, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Varitek is so close, he still has a bit left in the tank but unfortunately it probably won't happen.
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I don’t see any of those guys holding up till year 17
I think our only real chances of getting close to Wake's tenure
is if we draft someone like Strasburg or Justin Upton who comes up the the bigs around 20 or so, then sign him to a Tulo-style deal later on.
Unfortunately, getting someone like Upton won’t happen under the new CBA, with the slotting system there’s no real strategy to the draft other than pour all your money into scouting.
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Like others,
I don’t see any of these guys lasting 17 years, but if only one of them can, I hope it’s Pedroia.
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I think Pedroia has the best shot
But I don’t realistically think anyone will match 17 years on the team.
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I voted Pedey.
However I think Iglesias could have a shot (if he learns how to hit sooner than later).






























