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John Henry, Liverpool Finances, And The Red Sox

LIVERPOOL ENGLAND  (THE SUN OUT) (SALES OUT)  In this handout image supplied by Liverpool Football Club John W Henry (R) of NESV looks at the Champion's League Trophy in the Liverpool Museum in Liverpool England. Henry's New England Sports Ventures (NESV) successfully completed the £300million takeover of Liverpool following a bitter legal battle with former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.  (Photo by John Powell/Liverpool FC via Getty Images)

Earlier today, our newest writer Brendan called out Jon Heyman on going back to the old, tired angle of blaming Liverpool for all of Boston's problems. It's a great piece, so go read it, again if necessary.

Now, Brendan looked at this from the perspective of the Red Sox and their spending, pointing out that Payroll is just as high as ever and the only thing John Henry can be accused of is not matching the Yankees. I'm going to come at this from the other side. Thanks to the enthusiasm of my roommates, I have in the past year (I am ashamed to say?) become a fan of the English Premiere League, in particular Arsenal FC.

While I by no means claim to be an authority on the league or anything like that, this has led me to pay some more attention to the realities of the EPL, and helped me pick up on a bit of what John Henry's doing. And while we've tried to keep Liverpool as far away from this site as possible over the past year-and-a-half, this line of attack doesn't seem to be going away in the media, so here we are.

Let's take a look at how things go on across the Atlantic after the jump.

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EPL Finances And You (Or Not)

It must be said, based on the way the Premier League works, there's plenty of reason to have some initial misgivings about John Henry's involvement in with Liverpool. While here in America it's widely acknowledged that sports franchises are businesses which are designed to make money, this actually isn't the norm at the highest level of English football. The fact of the matter is that teams lose money all the time--sometimes a lot of money.

For example, Manchester City. Purchased not too long ago by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan--a member of Abu Dabhi's royal family--the team has been absolutely hemorrhaging money over the past few years, with their losses reaching an unthinkable £179 million in 2011. They are an outlier, but only in terms of amounts. In recent history, only Arsenal has consistently found themselves significantly in the black, with a few small clubs occasionally rising above (the Wolverhampton Wanderers did so last year).

A large reason for this is the transfer system. In Baseball, we only think in terms of salary, but European soccer is all about buying and selling. Let's say the Sox were after Felix Hernandez. In the MLB, they have to offer up a big package of young prospects and cost-controlled players, but that's only a loss in terms of potential savings. In Europe, the big clubs don't often trade for their talent, but instead sink millions and millions into purchasing them from other teams. Those numbers Heyman listed are actually transfer fees, not salaries. Then again, he also doesn't list the players Liverpool has sold along the way, which bring them down to a net loss on transfers of about £40 million over the past three years.

Still, losses are losses. So why did John Henry choose to get involved in this crazy, profitless world? Because he's a businessman, and sees potential.

A Chance For Profit

First, just some proof of concept. Last week, after making no moves in the January transfer window (think of it as the mid-season trade deadline), Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger explained to the media that before spending, he needs to ensure some £15-20 million pounds in profit. Arsenal is owned (to the chagrin of its fans) by one Stan Kroenke, an American businessman who also owns the Denver Nuggets and St. Louis Rams. While the actual scenario is a little ridiculous since Arsenal are on the verge of missing out on a £20 million+ payoff based on where they finish in the Premier League this year, it does show that there's an opportunity to make money in this environment.

Now, for what makes John Henry think he can turn a profit. First up is the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules that are just around the corner. The organization that runs the most prestigious of tournaments in football (the UEFA Champions League, featuring the top teams from around Europe), UEFA is essentially telling teams they can't lose outrageous amounts of money if they want to make it to what is essentially the playoffs. Given the massive financial rewards involved in the Champions League (the aforementioned payoff), there's a great deal of incentive to conform.

While there are some loopholes that need closed, generally this should act as a form of salary cap for the biggest teams in Europe. And while Henry will not be looking to turn any losses, if he can run Liverpool better than Manchester United or City are run, then it gives Liverpool a shot to compete even when turning a profit.

Then there's the television rights. For the Red Sox, NESN enables them to keep profits up despite their massive payroll. This is an advantage that EPL teams aren't allowed to take advantage of at the moment, with the league handling the collective rights and splitting the profits amongst the teams in much the same way that MLB teams do merchandise sales. The upshot of this is that big teams like Liverpool with followers all over the world aren't able to effectively leverage their fanbase into more money except in ticket sales.

John Henry, however, is a businessman, and so has wasted little time in having the club press that issue. As much as Soccer and the EPL are still distant fifths in the American sports race, there have been some gains, with ESPN starting to show EPL matches with some regularity in the early morning (Liverpool vs. Manchester United is actually airing on ESPN2 tomorrow, for example), and we've all seen NESN pushing the Liverpool agenda, perhaps hoping to establish a regional fanbase while the country is largely uncolonized.

Of course, America is just one target in a world that is, frankly, obsessed with the game. With Liverpool being one of England's oldest and most storied clubs, and with an executive familiar with taking full advantage of television profits at the helm, the club stands to gain more than almost any other club should they be able to break off.

John Henry, Businessman

Now, by no means am I saying that Henry is going to get what he wants. All this could come apart at the seams if his power play for TV rights fails, or the loopholes in UEFA prove too great. But in the end the likelihood is that will just lead to Henry selling to some new owner who wants to dump his fortune into bringing Liverpool back to prominence. John Henry has never been that guy. He's not a lifelong Liverpool fan, and he's never gone crazy and spent $300 million on the Red Sox for purposes of buying a title.

What he is is a businessman--one who sees the potential for profit in the world's most popular sport as it undergoes financial changes. If he is currently losing money on the club, then that's nothing more than an investment towards future profitability, and given all the money he has, he doesn't need to be taking away from the Boston Red Sox to do that. That's why payroll isn't dropping, and that's why it will continue to stay high regardless of what goes on in England.

So can we please put this poor excuse of an attack to rest?

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Like I said, by the influence of my roommate.

Amazingly, I started when they were in something like 16th with few hopes. So you can blame me for all their success.

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying they were in 16th

when you started to follow them is comparable to the Red Sox 0-6 start. It implies some sort of merit or faith that you earned by sticking with your team. I’m sorry but no. Just no. No matter how badly arsenal did in the first 3 weeks, they were (like the Sox) always going to compete.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. Also, the Grand Canyon is just a hole in Arizona.

by robertsstolesecond on Feb 10, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that.

I’m saying I’m responsible for their awesome run which got them back in the Champions League race.

God knows I was made aware they were a consistent contender.

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And just so we don't get into this

I’m saying that first bit facetiously.

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben;

You not only took up the sport but the Brittish idioms:
That first bit.
Lad; you sound like regular Tory now.

by NJ Native on Feb 10, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just looked it up

and in the 19 years of premier league-ness, arsenal have finished top four 16 times!

as to your point, it could very well be true, if somehow you gifted robin van persie the soccer equivalent of a corked bat (magic cleats?)

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. Also, the Grand Canyon is just a hole in Arizona.

by robertsstolesecond on Feb 10, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Only 16?

Man, I thought I’d signed up for better!

And no, it was more a sort of pagan ceremony. Killed a goat, got him goals. Totally.

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I made it like 8 paragraphs into that piece....

…but I couldn’t get over how the “Wolverhampton Wanderers” are a real thing.

by cds7c on Feb 10, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

arsenal sucks

go tottenham!!

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. Also, the Grand Canyon is just a hole in Arizona.

by robertsstolesecond on Feb 10, 2012 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

BANNED

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

wield thy power mightily, lest your power be removed…

by toonman on Feb 10, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That should be a quote for a Civ technology

Complete with reading from Leonard Nimoy

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by Ben Buchanan on Feb 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

for whatever tech gives you the nuke in Civ 6

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 10, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

F Tottenham

To the core, rotten.

Everything Must Go.

by Sean O on Feb 10, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You're German

I’d like to think you root for FC Schalke or something. But then again who am i to talk? I couldn’t support the Revolution any less if i tried.

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. Also, the Grand Canyon is just a hole in Arizona.

by robertsstolesecond on Feb 10, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Celtic

Ole’ oleole lay ole…. Ole, …..ole,

by NJ Native on Feb 10, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I obviously root for a German Team

my Team is Werder Bremen, but there are other teams i cheer for:

1 German National Team!!!! (cant wait for the European Championship this summer, we are one of the huge favorites to win it)

2a: Werder Bremen
2b Hansa Rostock
3 Manchester United
4 Juventus Turin

I lost alot of interest in the EPL in the last years though. German Bundesliga >>>> EPL

))<>((

by German Red Sox Fan on Feb 11, 2012 4:16 AM EST up reply actions  

6-1

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by Sean O on Feb 10, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you see

Celtic play Sporting Clube de Portugale at Fenway that one time?

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. Also, the Grand Canyon is just a hole in Arizona.

by robertsstolesecond on Feb 10, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

CTID

Everything Must Go.

by Sean O on Feb 10, 2012 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

YOU SOLD OUT!

most EPL teams lost their identity

))<>((

by German Red Sox Fan on Feb 11, 2012 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I became a City fan before the Sheikh bought the team

I started supporting a crappy team who had just come back from relegation.

Everything Must Go.

by Sean O on Feb 11, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah right, everybody says that ;)

Nevertheless City is prolly the most hated team in Europe right now.

))<>((

by German Red Sox Fan on Feb 11, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Sort of like the Red Sox, right?

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I think right now, it's mostly red sox fans that hate the red sox

maybe I’m off. I don’t know why everyone would hate a team that’s been in third place in their division 2 times running.

by wolf9309 on Feb 11, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we're an "evil empire" and have a "nation"

and we dare to spend a lot of money on players.

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

you're in detroit, right?

where they just committed $214 million to a DH? Right?

by wolf9309 on Feb 11, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

of course, I should clarify, I'm not saying I think that hatred is coming from you

just think it’s funny since, presumably, Detroit would be where most of your impressions are coming from.

by wolf9309 on Feb 11, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's actually mostly from Chicago fans

I lived there for 11 years before I moved here. It just made me laugh harder.

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you're off

Sox fans invade nearly every stadium around the country, and are thus hated. It doesn’t help that many are loud, boorish and insufferable.

Everything Must Go.

by Sean O on Feb 11, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hm yeah, that's fair

I will say that in all my trips going to Fenway, I’ve almost gotten in fights with Red Sox fans several times.

by wolf9309 on Feb 11, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh dear, Ben.

Oh dear, indeed.

You readily admit to not knowing much about the EPL, and then say you are becoming an Arsenal fan, then proceed to go on about finances (the irony is not lost on anyone there).

ADUG have and are showing the World how to run a club in the biggest league in the World, but one that consistently looses money. Manchester City have become a hub and a focal point of Abu Dhabi, and slowly but surely their name and presence is spreading throughout the World. Yes, the club itself may always lose money, but what is/will be attached to the club will forever continue to make money.

As a non-follower you have no idea of the plans of ADUG, and the club itself. If you did, you would wonder why mega conglomerates do not follow suit.

by Mcfcforum Citywebsite on Feb 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

the european champions league isn't "essentially the playoffs",

it would be like a “world” series between the champions of different countries’ leagues. it’s played at the same time as the EPL (and spanish, italian, and the rest of leagues). soccer has playoffs only in america (and by america, i mean the continent. you know, down there). but for the most part, soccer is either a cup or a league.
I also have a theory on why soccer will never fully catch on in the US: two 45 minute half times with NO time outs, and therefore no beer breaks, pee breaks, or lucrative commercials? and a chance at no one scoring? good luck with that.

by soxfanabroad on Feb 11, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

Soccer will never be a major sport in the US

because we have our own sports. Simple as that. The US developed a series of sports independent of the British empire (with Baseball and Gridiron being evolved versions of empire sports), and those draw the majority of talent and interest. Why would Americans follow a foreign sport en masse when it is incredibly easy to go see a local team playing a familiar sport?

I simply got bored with multiple American sports, that’s why I specifically went out of the way to follow Aussie and Formula 1 and soccer. It will, however, be interesting to see how technology changes the landscape: after all, it’s just about as easy to watch a Cricket game from Sri Lanka or an Aussie Rules game from Geelong with ESPN3.

Everything Must Go.

by Sean O on Feb 11, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be interested in watching some irish-league hurling.

It’s sort of a combination lacrosse and baseball.

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I came across that on some random channel on satellite a couple years ago

My mind was blown.

I am Sandy's bitch

We Are Because You Were
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by Rogue Nine on Feb 11, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a really fun sport to watch

but I really want to try playing it sometime.

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely. also, baseball, football and basketball are world-class in the US,

while soccer in the US is not even the best in north america. the talent stays in the local (more profitable) sports. besides, the elite matches are usually in non-prime time schedules, so that limits its introduction to new fans. i do think there’s something to what i said about the constant play. you can very easily miss something if you look away for a few seconds, and the game can be boring if you’re not following it. that and the difficulty in scoring may be other factors.

by soxfanabroad on Feb 11, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually prefer low-scoring sports. I like scoring to be an event, everyone gets up and cheers, and high-fives over it.

That’s why basketball is so goddamn dull. With scores regularly in the 100s why would anyone care when a basket is made?

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I haven't been.

I haven’t watched an NBA basketball game since before Jordan retired the second time.

"I can’t explain what I mean. And even if I could, I’m not sure I’d feel like it."
-JD Salinger.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 11, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, money aside....

what about attention? Passion? Is JH as involved and passionate about the Red Sox now as he was 5 years ago? He and his newest trophy wife are jetting off to be with the beautiful people in Europe, even with the shit hitting the fan last fall. A bit of a cheap shot? maybe, but I wonder about JH’s attention share in the Sox now as compared to a few years ago, that’s all.

by Scoop1981 on Feb 12, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

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