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Wednesday Red Sox Notes: Roy Oswalt, Theo Compensation

Stop being so stubborn, Roy.  (Photo by Mike Stobe/Getty Images)

Roy Oswalt is wanted by the Red Sox, Rangers, and Cardinals. The Rangers don't have room for him in the rotation, and the Cardinals, while featuring a stuffed rotation themselves, can make it happen if they can find a suitor for Kyle McClellan and his last two years of team control. The Red Sox would love to have Oswalt, but he, at present, has his sights set on one of the other two.

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Rangers don't feel they need to bump Matt Harrison from the rotation, while Neftali Feliz: Starting Pitcher is still a go. Alexi Ogando and Scott Feldman represent plenty of pitching depth, too, and Feldman is on the hook for $6.5 million to be the seventh starter in an already crowded bullpen.

Oswalt is still expecting to get $10 million for a year, too. This despite destroying whatever leverage his 2011 back injury didn't get to by limiting his options this publicly, making it that much harder for the Rangers or Cards to comply. Someone is going to have to blink eventually, and given the teams aren't the ones looking for a job, it might have to be Oswalt. If you had to bet on a team giving in, though, it would be the Cards, since they can actually put him to work and upgrade their rotation.

Star-divide

The Red Sox aren't out on Oswalt entirely -- it might turn out neither the Cardinals or Rangers can or will make the room, and then Oswalt will have to look elsewhere -- but even if St. Louis snags him, it makes the path to Edwin Jackson clearer for Boston.

In my dream-the-impossible-dream scenario, the Cardinals trade Kyle McClellan and his $2.5 million to the Red Sox for spare 40-man parts so he can improve their bullpen while opening up space on the 40 (the Cards just want the salary relief), but then the Rangers trade Matt Harrison, his three years of team control and $2.95 million salary to the Red Sox in order to sign Oswalt before St. Louis is able to, forcing the Cardinals to settle for Jackson at whatever price he ends up going for.

And exhale.

[Update 3:34 pm] Alex Speier says the Red Sox are still talking to both Oswalt and Jackson, despite reports to the contrary that emerged yesterday.

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Evan Drellich reports that arbitration hearing dates have been set for both David Ortiz and Alfredo Aceves, just in case they turn out to be necessary. Losses in arbitration appear to already have been budgeted into the off-season plans, and these two players are with the Red Sox either way, but for the sake of future flexibility in the payroll we should probably be rooting for the parties to settle before it goes in front of an arbiter.

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Peter Gammons tweets that commissioner Bud Selig still hasn't received "written arguments" in the Red Sox and Cubs compensation case. While there's still no rush in the sense that we (a) don't know how good the player will be or what level they will be at and (b) it's not Opening Day, it's still a bit annoying to see any news about it that doesn't equate to "Compensation is figured out."

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“Oswalt is still expecting to get $10 million for a year despite destroying whatever leverage his 2011 back injury didn’t get to by limiting his options this publicly, too, making it that much harder for the Rangers or Cards to comply.”

by toonman on Feb 1, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

one paragraph intentionally meant to be long-winded is okay

But the other one was unintentional, therefore not cool, and is now fixed.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 1, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The Red Sox offseason, summed up nicely:
it’s still a bit annoying

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Feb 1, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Isn't it, though?

C’mon, Opening Day… let’s just start playing the games already (with Jackson, Oswalt AND Floyd added to our rotation, of course!)…

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 1, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to predict the Sox...

…get neither Oswalt nor Jackson. That Jackson puts up valuable ,perfectly cromulent 100 ERA+ numbers for the length of whatever contract he signs. and that Oswalt gets hurt after 100 innings.

by Dale Sams on Feb 1, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

This would embiggen my concerns for the coming season.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you've got a little extra punctuation there, Dale.

Maybe Marc can borrow it. ;-)

I think you’re right about Oswalt and Jackson not signing here, but I think we’re still fine without them.

by dsharp on Feb 1, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to

point out each punctuation error, but then it got to be too many and too much brain work. Also, really, who cares.

by AverageJoeEveryman on Feb 1, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Would it be so horrible to sign Edwin Jackson to say a 2 - year deal?

He has been reliable and stayed injury free for most of his career. The Sox still need pitching in 2013 and most of the top FAs will be extended. If we assume Dice-K is gone after 2012, Jackson can take his #4 or #5 spot. Maybe I am missing something.

Why not just sign the guy for 2 years and eff Roy Oswalt and his hillbilly ways…

I mean anyone who chooses to pitch in Texas stadium probably isnt very bright in the first place.

by SoxAcumen on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling they're going to go after a top-tier pitcher next year big time...

when the likes of Cole Hamels will likely be available. And that’s going to take big bucks and an open rotation spot to pull off. Lackey will be back to take one of the two spots. What if Bard/Aceves/Cook/etc goes a respectable 13-9 with a 3.65 ERA? There goes the 5th spot. Dice-K could also be respectable for that 5th spot when he returns. If Jackson is still here, that’s a 6th thus blocking the way to getting a Hamels-type of more advantageous long-term signing.

In this scenario we would be far better off with a one-year pitcher deal. If Jackson/Oswalt pitches lights out this year, then screw the Hamels-type signing and re-sign Jackson/Oswalt at that time.

Like I said, I don’t think we’re getting either one of them.

by dsharp on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Except... when was the last time you saw a team with too many pitchers have any trouble trading the extra guy?

Honestly, when you’ve got the checkbook we have, it seems like this is exactly the market inefficiency we should be exploiting… if Jackson’s value falls to where he’d take 2/$12 million, and hope to take a crack at the 2014 FA pool, where less SPs will be in the market… why wouldn’t we do this?

If we really, honestly and truly have TOO many pitchers heading into 2013, I am reasonably confident we can flip one of them for the kind of haul that say… Kenny Williams asked for Danks, or could be asking for Floyd now.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

For instance... who were the starting pitchers traded this offseason? Some pretty big returns here...

Michael Pineda and Campos for Jesus Montero and Hector Noesi
Carlos Zambrano and cash for RHP Chris Volstad (which I’m guessing is a SP prospect??)
Gio Gonzalez (and RHP Robert Gilliams) for C Derek Norris, RHP A.J. Cole, RHP Brad Peacock and LHP Tommy Milone
Mat Latos for RHP Edinson Volquez, RHP Brad Boxberger< INF Yonder Alonso and C Yasmani Grandal
Trevor Cahill (and Craig Breslow) and cash for RHP Jarrod Parker, RHP Ryan Cook and OF Collin Cowgill.
Jonathan Sanchez (and LHP Ryan Verdugo) for Melky Cabrera.

Did I miss any big ones? Looks like pretty much any SP is worth something in return, and an above average guy can bring a haul in return, right?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 1, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Volstad is an actual pitcher

I think arb eligible for the first time this year- he’s been relatively bad in the Marlins rotation the last few years, with peripherals that indicate he should’ve probably been better.

by wolf9309 on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought I recognized the name, but not so up on the back end of the Marlins rotation.

After Sanchez and Johnson (and now Buerhle), I’m at a loss.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 2, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

as are the Marlins

BA-ZING!

Ricky Nolasco is also there

by wolf9309 on Feb 2, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. If we can get Jackson for 2/$12M I'm all for it.

My guess is he’s looking for 2/$18 or 3/$25’ish, though. That doesn’t mean he’ll get it, but I don’t think he’d go down to 2/$12M either. Maybe 2/$14-15M?

by dsharp on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, so much for that...

Since he seems to have gotten between $8 – $12 million for this year from the Nationals…

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 2, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

While I agree that that's what they're doing

I don’t think having 6-7 starting capable pitchers is a bad thing. You roll out the rotation in 2013 with Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Hamels, and Jackson, with Lackey and Bard in the bullpen like Texas is doing with Ogando/Feldman. When our guys get hurt you move Bard and Lackey back to the rotation, that way we’re not relying on Andrew Miller and Kyle Weiland in August.

"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.

by TheLoneDavid on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting to really dislike the term "pillow contract".

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Feb 2, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

And porny!

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Feb 2, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Scott Boras and porn

Are you starting to understand now?

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by Bloggy on Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't understand why.

I mean, we could see plenty of extensions signed, but I feel like his best play was either a two year deal, or the long term deal he wanted (and wasn’t getting).

The one year deal, to me, puts him back on the market next season (after whatever he does with the Nationals, which will be interesting… they at least have a rotation now)… but next season, he’s not a top tier target with the others expected to be available.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Feb 2, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

well I think there's a couple things that play into this

first of all, chances are, I would say, that probably at least two of Cain, Greinke, Hamels, and Marcum (who I view as probably the top 4) are likely to sign extensions (remember when this offseason’s first base class was going to include Pujols, Fielder, Gonzalez, and Howard?). Second of all, if he can do this year what he’s done the last three, that’s 4 years in a row of innings-eating, good #3 pitching, at which point, it’s getting difficult to say he hasn’t been consistent. Third of all, it’s his last chance to hit free agency before age 30, which is when teams start to get a bit more hesitant about signing guys to long term deals- next offseason, if he does well, he won’t be in line for the deal that Hamels gets, but he could very well be in a reasonable position to get what Wilson got this year.

by wolf9309 on Feb 2, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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