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Sox Top 10 Clearinghouse

Numerous 2012 Red Sox prospect rankings lists are already out with more on their way. I've compiled the ones that I've found here in this post as a clearinghouse. For lists that went farther than the Top 10, I've cut them off to keep a consistent comparison.

Chart after the jump

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RK Baseball America Soxprospects.com Minor League Ball Bullpen Banter: Reese Bullpen Banter: Skorupa
1 Middlebrooks Middlebrooks Bogaerts Barnes Bogaerts
2 Bogaerts Ranaudo Barnes Bogaerts Barnes
3 Swihart Bogaerts Middlebrooks Middlebrooks Cecchini
4 Ranaudo Iglesias Lavarnway Swihart Middlebrooks
5 Brentz Lavarnway Cecchini Cecchini Swihart
6 Jacobs Kalish Jacobs Lavarnway Ranaudo
7 Cecchini Barnes Swihart Bradley Lavarnway
8 Barnes Brentz Coyle Brentz Owens
9 Lavarnway Jacobs Brentz Owens Brentz
10 Bradley Swihart Ranaudo Jacobs Bradley

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Reese didn't even list Renaudo

Minor League Ball has him down at 10.

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by Bloggy on Jan 9, 2012 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

Prospectors are all over the place on him, some see him as a back-end type or even a reliever

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmf

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by Bloggy on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Interesting

SoxProspects is the only one to list Iglesias and they put him all the way up at 4th (even above Lavarnway)
Also notice that they are the only ones that don’t have Cecchini ranked while the others do between #3-7

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 9, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

putting Barnes as #1 or #2 seems ridiculous to me

considering he hasn’t even thrown a pitch in pro ball. Still, I seem to be pretty well outvoted in that. Soxprospects is the one that I tend to agree the most with.

by wolf9309 on Jan 9, 2012 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

Nonsense!

By that logic Bard is ill-suited to be a Major League starter.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 9, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

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by Conor Duffy on Jan 9, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting also that Middlebrooks

Is consistently ahead of Lavarnway when the latter appear near ready to be a force in the Manors while the former is still developing plate discipline. I agree with the insightful fanpost that Iglesias is our most underated prospect at tbis point due to his glove, range, arm, motivation, and having played from day one several years below age and experience levels. That said it appears the next wave of kids will keep the Sox contending sor another decade.

by GerryT on Jan 9, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

Probably depends upon which methodology you use

Scout-based prospecting tend to rely upon tools and project ceilings

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on the Middlebrooks rationale

It’s obvious that his high ranking is based upon his tools and his room for growth. I’m concerned, as many are, about his approach and his ability to draw the walk/ cut down on the K’s. He’s never been able to do this with any consistency, at any level. Even last season at Portland his walk rate was at 5.3%. I guess you can get away with that if you have the ability to get on base consistently in other ways, but his K% really leads me to believe otherwise. His BABIP. was unsustainably high (I realize this isn’t as big of an issue in the minors, but his OBP. and K/BB ratio add to the concern).

I’m not suggesting that he doesn’t have potential, there’s certainly plenty of time for adjustment and if he can learn to fine tune his approach even a little bit at Pawtucket this season it will go a long way towards solidifying him as the elite prospect some have him tabbed as.

by ritz on Jan 9, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be nice to keep a few of these names around

refill our system and all that.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 9, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

I’d like Lavarnway to be around #2

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 9, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

I don't claim to know prospects that well, but Barnes at 2? 1!?

Here’s my top 10, personally

1. Middlebrooks
2. Boegarts
3. Lavarnaway
4. Ranaudo
5. Cecchini
6. Barnes
7. Swiheart
8. Bradley
9. Brentz
10. Iglesias

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by outofleftfield on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

Barnes at 1 is weird

He had to either think of him as a Top 5 pick going into the draft or he’s not really liking the rest of our system.

by South Coast Ghost on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Sickels

is pretty well thought of in the prospecting community and he has Barnes rated 2nd overall – again based upon tools/ceiling

by BobZupcic on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Watching him pitch I can kinda see why

Nice delivery with easy velocity with room for more.

But he seems much more raw compared to someone like Ranaudo coming out of college. I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the Top 3, but I’m not a professional so what the hell do I know.

by South Coast Ghost on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, speaking for my list...

I saw Barnes a number of times as an amateur and he’s very impressive. #2 quality stuff/upside. Nice kid, hard worker and durable build – a mature, athletic pitcher’s build that might even have some projection left. Good 4 seam that I saw him get up to 97 with even in freezing temperatures. 2 seam has some good life on it and he gets swings and misses on it throwing it low and out of the strikezone. His CB flashes really well and can be a plus pitch/hammer but he too often throws it for strikes instead of using it as a chase pitch. Shows some feel for a CU and I’ve seen him break out some very nice looking fades but its not a consistent offering – mostly because he didn’t need it much, often getting outs with his two power pitches. He’s a very promising pitcher and I’m really high on him. Both Jeff and I had Barnes very high on our draft boards. I’m not sure its reflective of much, as the players in this system are pretty tightly packed and of similar quality.

People really seem down on Ranaudo… not the scouts I’ve talked to and I think this is super overstated. He was never an Ace projection type, even before he got hurt. He was a big guy with some very good stuff who didn’t consistently dominate like he should. Nothing much has changed about him and he remains inconsistent – which is a reason you’ll find varying opinions depending on how he looked that day. He flashed the “good” Ranaudo on the Cape in 2010 and that’s the stuff and velo the Sox hope he will grow to consistently bring. He’s similar to Barnes as he flashes #2 kind of stuff but it might be more likely he’s a #3 because of inconsistency in stuff & command. That would be a very valuable pitcher, though I have Barnes higher as I think he’s got a greater chance to be an impact type of arm.

Somewhat humorously, Henry Owens is a prep pitcher with the prep pitcher version of many of Ranaudo’s flaws. Big guy who has flashed some great velo but doesn’t sit there and often works low 90’s, and has flashed some great stuff but doesn’t consistently get the results you’d expect him to. I’m a big fan of Owens as well… these guys are prospects. If they didn’t have those flaws they wouldn’t have got to us. The hope is they figure it out. Steve Fiorindo from my site saw a lot of Owens as an amateur. On my draft board I had Barnes 7th, Swihart 14th and Owens 21st… so I loved what the Sox did with this draft.

& fwiw, I don’t want to speak for Jeff, but this was the second team list we did and I think he’s come around to preferring Bogaerts now as we got more opinions and finished our top 100 work. The last team list (SEA) is going up tomorrow and then we’re doing updates to the lists on Tuesday dealing with all the trades and players who consequently slipped through the cracks (ie Brad Peacock, AJ Cole, Nestor Molina) and then farm system rankings on Thursday.

by alskor on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Completely left off Fangraphs

which is here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/top-15-prospects-boston-red-sox/

1. Bogaerts
2. Middlebrooks
3. Cecchini
4. Swihart
5. Barnes
6. Ranaudo
7. Bradley
8. Lavarnway
9. Owens
10. Jacobs

by BobZupcic on Jan 10, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Lavarnway 8?!

At this point I’m believing that his defense is underrated. He’s not going to be a gold glove catcher, but he’s at least Victor Martinez, maybe VMart with better control of the running game. The bat looks legitimate in every way, I can’t accept a player with the potential of VMart being ranked that low on the list behind so many players who either haven’t played an inning of ball yet or aren’t even 20 years old.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 10, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but underrated by everyone?

Even the Soxprospects guys, who see a ton of just Sox prospects, have him 5th.

I’d have him around 3-4, personally, but I would totally be fine with someone saying “I need to see him catch for a full year and still be good offensively in order to rank him higher”.

I mean, in all honestly, other than a game or two at the end of the season and last year’s AFL Rising Stars game, I haven’t actually watched him catch, and three games is a small sample.

by South Coast Ghost on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if you see him as Napoli

vs. Martinez then his stock takes a bit of a hit, although not much

by BobZupcic on Jan 10, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I see him as almost certainly becoming an MLB level starter, at some position

(I believe catcher).

I can’t say that about anyone else on that list. That’s why I would rank him very near if not at the top of the list. There may be some high ceilings, but the probabilities of them even making the pros are much much lower.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 10, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

Lavarnway is a very intelligent kid and a very hard worker. I fully expect that he’ll improve his defense enough to be a MLB catcher, even if he is a 90 games at catcher, 50-60 at DH kind of guy with some days off.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's his best role...

Part time catcher getting ABs other places. He can give you very good offensive production in that role… but not every team wants/needs/or has playing time for that kind of player and role.

His defense is not good. I’ve seen Lavarnway a number of times. He’s slow and doesn’t move well or block well but he’s not terrible at anything as much as he is below average across the board. His arm strength is below average as well and the footwork leading to it isn’t pretty or quick but he’s pretty damn accurate and I’ve seen him throw out fast baserunners… makes me shake my head.

Ultimately, I think Lavarnway is probably overexposed as a full time catcher, but if you can spread him around a bit and pick your spots he can be a good major leaguer.

by alskor on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, spread that bad boy

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but his defense has been getting praise.

So, I’d see him closer to Martinez, without the switch hitting capability.

Not a butcher, but considering (all respect to the captain for his game calling aside) who we’ve had manning that catching spot for the last decade or so (did someone say Cash?), I cannot imagine that his defense is all that bad. I’m not sure the Sox see a ton of value from a no-hit, all defense catcher (Expo?), so I can easily see Lavarnway as our catcher of the future.

I mean, after all… we’re not Sosh, running Napoli out of town so he can play Mathis for all that defense… errr… CERA… umm, wait. How did that work out again?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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