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Barry Larkin Elected To Cooperstown

The BBWAA has made their decision about the next wave of Hall of Fame inductees, and once again just a single player has earned a spot in Cooperstown. Barry Larkin, shortstop and 19-year Cincinnati Red, will be inducted this summer as the newest member of the baseball Hall of Fame after receiving 86 percent of the vote.

Larkin is a fascinating case, as on the surface it appears like he had the longevity (19 seasons) and the rate production --a .295/.371/.444 career line, 116 OPS+, .283 True Average, and above-average defense at shortstop -- to make him a no-brainer. The longevity is a bit misleading, as we'll get to, but the production is for real. His plate discipline allowed him to reach base 3,334 times, even with "just" 2,340 career hits. That's good for #11 since 1901 among players who were primarily shortstops. You don't have to do the math to realize that's an impressive standing.

If you go just by wins above replacement -- a terrible practice for predictive purposes, but useful in these more backward-looking contexts -- Larkin's 69 rWAR puts him sixth all-time among the same group of shortstops, behind just Honus Wagner, Cal Ripken, Arky Vaughan, Derek Jeter, and Luke Appling. On its own merits, that's fantastic; when the idea of longevity is brought back into it, it's even better. rWAR is a counting stat, and Larkin excelled in his overall production, as evidenced by his ranking among fellow shortstops. In those 19 years, he averaged just 115 games played per season -- that kind of rate damages how high a counting stat can go, and also explains the relatively low hit total for a career of that many seasons. Even if you remove his rookie campaign from the equation (41 games and a seventh-place Jackie Robinson award finish), he still averaged just 119 games a year.

He had to play the 19 years to get as much value packed into his career as he did thanks to seemingly constant injuries and lingering fragility. He absolutely deserves this spot in Cooperstown despite the time he missed given how well he did play when he was on the field, of course. This is all just a way to bring up how good Larkin would have been had he actually played a normal schedule throughout a career too often interrupted by injury.

Per 162 games played, Larkin averaged 15 homers, 174 hits, 70 walks, and 5.5 wins above replacement. While it's not realistic to expect him to never miss time, averaging about fives wins per year thanks to a more normal games played average, over a nearly 20-year career, would have resulted in a player at least as good -- if not better -- than Cal Ripken, and one miles ahead of Derek Jeter instead of along the same lines. Not that there's anything wrong with only being one of the top five or so ever to play a position.

When Larkin was on the field, he was a Hall of Fame shortstop. He might not have been on it as long as we selfishly would have liked to have seen him, but he played enough to earn the honor he will enjoy later this summer. Congratulations, Barry Larkin.

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Larkin and Trammell are similar players, yet Alan gets no love

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Poor guy.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 9, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be worse

He could be Lou Whitaker. That guy really got screwed over by the voters. Very similar career stats to Robbie Alomar — both 116 OPS+, Alomar’s career fWAR was 68.0 compared to Whitaker’s 74.3, and Whitaker was considered a top fielding 2B (if not as flashy as Alomar), yet Alomar gets elected on the second ballot and Whitaker can’t even get enough votes to make it to the second ballot. To be fair, I do think Alomar was the better player, but not by that much.

What I really want to know is who are the four guys who thought Bill Mueller deserved to be elected? Hall of “He Didn’t Suck,” sure. Hall of Fame, not even close.

by RSNexile on Jan 9, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bill Muell just got a few sentimental votes

I don’t see anything wrong with dropping a vote on a player you loved when you know he isn’t going get in (or even make the 5% cut off) I would have done the same for BM, but I certainly don’t think he is really a HoFer.

Whitaker and Trammel are both poor exclusions. Just how exactly were the 1984 Tigers so dominant if not for Whitaker and Trammel (in part at least). If either was playing today, they would be top of their position. Trammel is hardest for me to understand because I remember his playing days better. He was the one guy on some bad Tigers teams toward the end of the 80’s that you didn’t want to see up. He was a complete player, good on the bases, great in the field, solid on base skills, solid contact. respectable power (especially for a SS). At his peak he was a better player than Jeter and he was an impact player almost his entire career.

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by Mattsullivan on Jan 10, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, though I understand Trammel better

He was unquestionably a Hall of Famer, both at bat and in the field. His problem is that he spent most of his career at shortstop in the same division as Cal Ripken and Robin Yount, who would both make the cut if there was a Hall of Greater Fame culled from only the greatest of those greats who could get elected to Cooperstown.

Whitaker, however, was the top 2B of his time. He was a good-hitting 2B and one of the best fielders at his position at a time when your typical 2B was supposed to play solid defense and not stink too badly hitting ninth. He should have been elected easily, yet somehow only ended up named on 15 ballots.

by RSNexile on Jan 10, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, I remember both of them as great players.

Alan Trammel and Sweet Lou Whitaker… ah, the players of my youth!

(You know, it’s easier to look fondly on them than the other heroes of my youth… a certain Cy Young strike out ace from Texas, and a third base hit king…)

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 10, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Played 19 seasons

but only managed 4 of them at 150+ games. He would have no chance without a “SS” next to his name

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just happy Morris didn’t make it.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 9, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

He will next year

Have a feeling the BBWAA is going to make all the steroid guys wait a year as “punishment.”

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 9, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He will, but he shouldn’t.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 9, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and as a Sox fan

Rice shouldn’t have made it either. He wasn’t even the best outfielder in his own outfield

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No argument here!

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by Brandon C. on Jan 9, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused...

Are you saying Jack Morris was a steroid guy?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 9, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I'm saying that he gets in

along with maybe Tim Raines because the BBWAA is going to make all the first-ballot steroid guys, Bonds and Clemens and so forth, wait at least one year as “punishment” for using.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 9, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly hope they wait a lot longer than that.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 10, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I've stopped caring

I view the HoF as about as legit as Gold Glove and All Star voting.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

More players should get into the HOF on a yearly basis

What would it really hurt for some of the fringe guys to get in? Nothing. Are you really gonna be that upset if Jack Morris gets in? Really?

I mean they didn’t even elect Buck O’Neill and he was arguably the greatest baseball ambassador the game has ever seen, not to mention his playing days and building the Negro League Museum. The guy gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom after he dies and the HOF still hasn’t gotten its head out of its own arse in 2012.

Grats Barry, its a shame you will be alone on the podium.

by SoxAcumen on Jan 9, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

I got to watch Barry live, and I have to say... I think his career makes it.

Sure, he didn’t play more than 120 games in an average season, but when he was on the field, he was one of the best in the game. And even in limited action, as the stats above show, he was a top ten SS of All-Time.

Would I think his career warranted the HOF if he was a 3B? Of course not… but much like he had trouble staying on the field hurt his career numbers, I think the increased difficulty of playing SS contributes to his HOF status.

He was a lot of fun to watch.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 9, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see how the Hall of Fame voting changes

And more specifically how pitchers are viewed. 300 Wins will likely always be automatic pass, as it probably should. But I have to believe that down the road pitchers are going to reevaluate and start judging pitchers against players of their era (as they should) vs. comparing to guys who started 40 games a year or for hitters who were able to play for 20+ years because there wasn’t as big a pool of talent as there is now and veteran salaries were so much less.

The younger generations and even those elder generations who aren’t stubborn have in large part accepted that Wins is a stat that is not a great barometer of a pitcher’s abilities. (See Beckett vs. Lackey in 2011 in terms of W and ERA for extreme example)

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 9, 2012 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

should be: "voters are going to reevaluate and start judging pitchers of their own era"

Which, again, is what they should do. If Halladay had 2 more seasons of what he has done the last few, he is a Hall of Famer to me. He IS the best pitcher in the league right now. There is noone else I would rather have if I had to win a baseball game today.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 9, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be shocked if Doc didn't make the Hall.

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by Bloggy on Jan 9, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was going to say...

… I think he’s already in the Hall, even if he doesn’t pitch two more seasons, let alone two more as dominant as he’s been so far.

Exactly what is he missing right now? He’s hands down the best pitcher in the game today, and has been in the top ten in baseball since early on in his career.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 10, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I would probably vote for him right now

I should’ve phrased that a little differently. Doc is probably my favorite pitcher in baseball right now. I feel like some of the “old school” voters would want him to at least hit 200-215 wins (even though we know the stat’s importance has gone down with many fans today). It seems like some voters are still set in their ways in regards to old statistical benchmarks.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 11, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, Larkin deserves getting in. I'm really dissappointed that Edgar continues to get overlooked.

As well as Tim Raines.

I think you can make a case that each of those three guys ‘dominated’ some aspect of baseball for an extended period of time. Larkin was clearly the premier SS of the NL for most of the 90s. I don’t think he was as significant to baseball as Cal Ripken was. But he was huge in a different way.

Edgar was just terrifying for pitchers to face from 1992-2001, posting FIVE seasons with an OPS over 1.000!!!! If only the Mariners had not wasted time with mediocre players like Jim Presley and Darnell Coles!. If Edgar had been brought up to the majors 2-3 years earlier (he didn’t get full time until age 26!) he would have likely broken 2500 hits and 600 doubles (and come much closer to 400 HRs). But even without those milestones, his numbers during that 9-year stretch were just amazing. His line-drive doubles off the wall were like cannon shots. And so, so many of them! And you couldn’t keep him off the bases – EIGHT straight seasons of 93 walks or more, including four over 100! His OBP during that span was just sick. If Edgar can’t break the ice on getting a DH into the Hall, then the Hall is stupid.

And Tim Raines … jesus how can you not put this guy in? 23 seasons with a career OBP of .385, 2605 hits and 808 STOLEN BASES! And again, dominance – during all of the 80s you couldn’t keep him off the base paths (OBP always close to .400) and once on, he’d steal 2nd before you could blink! He not only got on base, he also hit for decent average and power. During that decade he batted over .300 5 times and hit 30+ doubles 6 times! Writers who don’t vote for him claim he ‘hung arround’ as a journeyman/part timer for the latter part of his career and shouldn’t get credit for that. That’s a legitimate reason to not vote FOR a guy – like Johnny Damon, for example. But you can’t use that to outweigh a whole decade of dominating at an aspect of the game.

Unfortunately, next year, we will begin the annual circus of talking about the candidacy of Barry Bonds, Roger Clemons and Sammy Sosa. Which is going to bury discussion on guys like Edgar and Rock even further.

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by mmmmm on Jan 10, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

That's what clinches it for me with Edgar

His counting numbers for his career are borderline at best, particularly when you consider his candidacy is effectively all about such numbers. But borderline career numbers combined with a decade of dominance as the premier player at his position? He should be in.

by RSNexile on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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