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Quick Thoughts On Aaron Cook

It's been a slow day week for the Red Sox. Since the trade for Andrew Bailey, about all we've heard about the boys in Fenway is that they might be interested in Paul Maholm, and are big fans of minor league contracts.

At the nexus of these two points lies Aaron Cook, who joined the team on a minor league deal last night. Not an exciting name, but one that could end up being a decent plus to the Red Sox all things considered. While he's not quite Paul Maholm, he's cut from a similar cloth. High ground balls, low strikeouts, and up until the last couple of years not too many walks.

Even now that he's lost a couple miles on his sinker and seen his walk rate balloon, Cook has managed to maintain a FIP of 4.57 the last couple of years, with Colorado doing its usual thing to help prop that rate up a few points. Unfortunately, his ERA has not been so respectable, with a particularly high .345 BABIP leaving him Lackey-like last year.

Not a kind comparison, I know.

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The thing is, Colorado is not Pittsburgh, and the Rockies are not the Pirates. While Maholm's difficulties can easily be explained away by the fact that the Pittsburgh infield couldn't stop a ground ball if it was on a string, players like Troy Tulowitzki, Todd Helton, and Mark Ellis aren't exactly known for their defensive butchery. And while there was a great deal of turnover at third base, in general it was a solid-to-good infield.

So is it just a matter of bad luck in a relatively small sample size? Or is Cook getting beat up for pitching poorly? Without watching 97-or-so innings of work, it's hard to say, but the key is that Cook is a minor league signing with no real impact on the budget. Where last year we had Andrew Miller and Kyle Weiland giving games away with some regularity, with Cook the Sox are at least given a chance to let their defense do the work. It's a marked improvement as far as I'm concerned.

So long as there is still a name--preferably two--to come, then the acquisition of Aaron Cook is a very positive move for being a minor league deal. It's very hard, after all, to get anyone even remotely decent to come in knowing they are likely the sixth or seventh option. Between Cook, Silva, and Wilson, the Sox should be able to line things up in the first few months so that we're not quite as terrified of the spot start as we ended up being last year. And if it doesn't work out, then it's no real skin off our backs.

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Wilson is very interesting

You hear very little about him – no fanfare surrounding his prospect status yet over at BA in their Top 10 for the Sox you read the following with regards to their “Best Tools”

Best Fastball: Alex Wilson
Best Slider: Alex Wilson

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

The problem is that his third pitch wasn't very good at all to start 2011.

He was being made to throw his changeup a fair amount, and was getting pounded for it. I’m not sure if he got that much better with it or just moved away from it, unfortunately.

I’m more confident in Bard as a starter right now, given that I’ve actually seen him throw some very good changeups in the past year. But that could change when Alex Wilson gets the chance to prove himself in ST.

Either way, I think he’s got a good ML career ahead of him. Whether it’s in the bullpen or rotation.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 9, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cook's arm

Lost a bit over the year due to injuries, at least in part due to Coors (as happens with basically everyone who stays there). I’m fine with him as a depth signing, but like with most of these guys, I won’t like the situation that means they are needed.

The signing is necessary, of course — depth is better than no depth, and the Sox have little in the ways of help at the upper levels.

by Marc Normandin on Jan 9, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Salary Threshold

With such a small margin to work with, they should have held on to the money for someone better, who might have come cheaply, later..

by Robert57 on Jan 10, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Instead of Cook?

I believe with a minor league deal they don’t actually count towards the Red Sox payroll (in terms of luxury cap) unless he pitches in the major leagues. So I guess one plus is that if he counts ends up counting then it means he has pitched well enough to earn a rotation spot.

But, I see your point on getting a guy of Cook’s caliber on a major league deal…better to hold out and see if you can grab a better guy later. I think that is why most people don’t mind the Cook deal. Pure depth at the minor league level….if it was a major league deal I think you might see alot more of posts against this signing.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 10, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah you are correct there

there’s really no downside to this.

by wolf9309 on Jan 10, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If

its a minor league deal, why not?

by Robert57 on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Why not what?

Sorry, just wasn’t sure which part you were asking abou

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not like Bard is a guarantee to succeed as a starter.

He should be competing for the number 5 spot, while the 4 is filled with a proven big league pitcher who doesn’t have to compete in ST to earn the spot. Right now it seems that Bard is the number 4, while they hold a competition among highly questionable arms for the 5. Seems risky.

The whole above comment will become irrelevant if they sign Oswalt.

by revived0103 on Jan 9, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Or Kuroda... or even Maholm.

However, yes… Bard as the #4 does not make me a happy man.

Bard as part of the competition for the #5, with a legit #4 in front of him in the rotation, and I’m very happy as we head into 2012.

Don’t make me say it…

BLAAAAARGH! OMFG SIGN SOME STARTERS!

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til next year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 9, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Kuroda or Maholm

are the guys who could have actually helped. This guy was never great in the first place, and has been going down hill for two years. Just like Jenks had been. If it keeps Bard and Aceves in the pen,it might make sense.

by Robert57 on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

We only keep Bard and Aceves in the pen if we sign two more starters.

And you’re busy lamenting that we missed out on Madson.

I’d be happy if they signed either Kuroda or Oswalt at this point, though I’m still pissed we didn’t drop the money the Cubs spent on Maholm to lock him up at the #5. Then we could have put Bard and Aceves back in the pen.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 11, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You wanted starters

I give you Aaron Cook and Carlos Silva

Starters

What? Not what you had in mind?

by CelticPride on Jan 9, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Cook’s someone I would have wanted the Yankees to get on MILB deal. Nice GB%

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by Brandon C. on Jan 9, 2012 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Since they traded Kelly,

I am of the opinion that other than a flash shown by Tazawa a couple of years ago there really hasn’t been much shown by today’s Sox prospects. The ST many will be called but none will be picked. There for I feel that the Sox should start seriously looking for a decent 4 or 5 starter.
Since the White Sox seem to be rebuilding, I would like to see Gavin Floyd pursued. 12-13 last year on a poor WS team, but 6-3 against the AL East, 2-0 against the Sox, 6-0 lifetime, with a 1.16 whip. What do I know, I wound up second in last years OTL fantasy league.

by NJ Native on Jan 9, 2012 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

I'm persuaded

And I was about to say I had a hesitation about going after Floyd. I don’t want to give up any more prospects in trades. But now that I think of it, we’re stocked in exactly the kind of high upside low minors guys that Kenny Williams seems to be willing to accept in trades.

by dennet on Jan 9, 2012 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with you about Gavin Floyd

Furthermore his AAV is relatively low cost around $4million.
But I hesitate to give up top tier prospects like Middlebrooks,Lavarnway.

by Taro yamada on Jan 9, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think Williams might make another dumb trade

for some unheard of low minors guys? And maybe he’ll be really high on someone random like Junichi Tazawa?

by dennet on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Kenny

Williams is a terribble GM, but he does have his hands tied with the penny pinching Reinsdorf. The 2005 title was good enough for Jerry.

by Robert57 on Jan 10, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

relevant BTBS article on Gavin Floyd

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/1/7/2689607/hiroki-kuroda-and-roy-oswalt-alternative

To shamelessly steal the table from the article, here are some Kuroda/Oswalt/Floyd stats since 2009:

IP: 514.1, 531, 573
BB%: 5.7, 6.0, 6.8
K%: 19.2, 19.4, 19.5
GB%: 47.6, 44.6, 46.1
HR/FB%: 9.8, 8.5, 9.6
LOB%: 72.7, 74.9, 69.2
BABIP: .282, .286, .296
FBv: 92.2, 92.5, 91.8

There were also ERA-, FIP- and xFIP-, but I don’t understand what the – means.

by dennet on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The "-" stats are relative to league average

So his FIP- of 84 means he had an FIP 16% better than the average pitcher.

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by brogshan on Jan 10, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant to say as well

100 is the baseline for the “average” pitcher

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by brogshan on Jan 10, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Floyd

Would be well worth the price tag. Jut not having to face him could mean a couple of extra wins.

by Robert57 on Jan 10, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this guy more than Silva

He took a step back the last couple years with injuries, but for the most part he’s kept a fairly respectable ERA in his career even pitching in Colorado. Silva bombed beyond belief in Seattle, which is a pretty good pitcher’s park. But he did have a reasonable year in Chicago not too long ago, so who knows? I still want Maholm, but at least the Sox are covering their bases with some emergency arms.

by Aluminum Penguin on Jan 9, 2012 5:39 PM EST reply actions  

oh, and;

He is only 28 with 8 years mlb already under his belt. Cherington and Co. have a grace period, but not a very long one…. even short if the Sox have the same jump-off as last year. They need to shore up the rotation ASAP.

by NJ Native on Jan 9, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

Tigers appear near on Garza

would make a Maholm signing make some sense for the Cubs

Detroits rotation would be very strong
Verlander, Garza, Scherzer, Fister, Porcello

by BobZupcic on Jan 9, 2012 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

Fister should be #2 in that rotation

Did you see his stats in Detroit? He was actually better than Verlander down the stretch.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

we aren't stacking up well

if this happens

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by gizmosandy on Jan 9, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Tigers getting Garza, Cubs landing Maholm...

Can I panic yet? I think I was just hit in the back of the head by some falling sky.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Don't think Garza to Detroit is a done deal as of yet.

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by Matthew Kory on Jan 9, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Garza

Could be the piece that put’s Detroit back in the series. They should also be going after Maholm.

by Robert57 on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

They only need one pitcher.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Still, the pool of available pitchers is getting smaller, and the one guy we actually were linked to is going elsewhere.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

That

We also have to consider that if a team was “in” on Garza but didn’t get him, then they might have to now resort to going after the same free agents or trade targets we may explore.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Well we signed someone named Justin Germano who pitched most of last year in the Korean leagues for the team that ended up winning the championship. Looks like he was a starter over there but his sporatic time in the Majors mostly relief and not stellar at that.

I have found nothing in terms of his stats for the Korean league last year. If anyone can find anything I would be curious to see it.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 AM EST reply actions  

Probably........this

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?rurl=translate.google.co.jp&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://www.koreabaseball.com/Record/PitcherDetail1.aspx%3Fpcode%3D61434&usg=ALkJrhhluF9vYTjjokSetZob97gfKwd8Tg

8GAME 45.1 IP ERA 2.78 29K 6BB 45H 3HR

by Taro yamada on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

he's not very good

I’m going to bet out of the organization by April 4

by wolf9309 on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a signing for Pawtucket

He did have a perfect game with Columbus last year and has Major League experience.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=430683

Just a depth option. He allows very few walks and could be effective in a spot start or two if needed.

by UltimateCranston on Jan 10, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

yes, I'm aware

it’s just a guess. I’m guessing he is going to Pawtucket as a reliever, not a starter, and I’m guessing that we have enough pen depth that he ends up opting out.

by wolf9309 on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Maholm's deal is Official

One year, $4.25 million with a $6.25 million club option for 2013 with a $500k buyout.

Okay, that’s a deal we should have made. I’m kinda pissed about that one. My only hope is we offered him as much or more and he chose to remain in the NL Central he was familiar with.

by South Coast Ghost on Jan 10, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

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