Arbitration Cases Won't "Reshape" Red Sox Off-Season Plans
General manager Ben Cherington and the rest of the Red Sox front office have prepared for the possibility that both David Ortiz and Alfredo Aceves will end up in arbitration before the season starts. Aceves is eligible for arbitration by virtue of being under team control, while Ortiz elected to accept arbitration rather than test the free agent market.
The gap between Aceves and the Red Sox is not significant in terms of baseball budgets -- Aceves filed at $1.6 million, while the Red Sox offered $900,000 -- so it's more likely this one will avoid an actual arbitration hearing. Arguing over a few hundred thousand dollars isn't something either party wants to be involved in, especially with this just being the first of three winters where Aceves is arbitration eligible.
Ortiz and the Red Sox aren't on the same plane of existence, though, with Boston filing at $12.65 million --slightly more than Ortiz made in 2010 -- while Ortiz submitted a figure of $16.5 million. Ortiz's 2011 salary was the single highest he's ever made in a season, and while his campaign was excellent, two things work against the number he filed: Boston paid him far more than similarly-producing (and similarly-aged) designated hitters received on the open market by picking up his option: Hideki Matsui and Vladimir Guerrero combined for just $11.86 million in 2011, despite all three players having very similar 2010 campaigns in their mid-30s. While Ortiz was much better than the two in 2011, he was also compensated to be that way. The Red Sox attempting to give him a raise of $150,000 seems like a low ball offer until you recognize that he was paid to do what he did already.
That's a discussion for another day, though. The key item to take away from this news is this particular quote from Cherington:
"I don't think [the results of the cases are] significant, no," said Cherington. "Sure, if you go to a hearing there's a chance you win, a chance you lose. Depending on the outcome, it changes your payroll to some degree. To that extent, it changes things to some degree, but I wouldn't say it's significant."
As of this writing, there is a poll on the sidebar at Over the Monster asking if you would rather have David Ortiz for the money he filed for in arbitration, or Kevin Youkilis at DH and Roy Oswalt in the rotation for a few million more. Considering what kind of player Oswalt is (and by extension, the other starting pitchers that Boston has been shopping for at this late date), the term "significant" that Cherington uses likely applies.
The hypothetical in the poll isn't a worry for the Red Sox, as they have already budgeted a loss in arbitration to both Ortiz and Aceves into their plans -- that means it shouldn't be a worry for Sox fans, either.
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boy...I wish my boss wouldn't want to argue over a few hundred thousand dollars...
what a crazy world we live in…
It felt weird to write that sentence
I actually went back and inserted “in terms of baseball budgets” when I re-read that paragraph before publishing, because even with implied context it sounds wrong.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Of course it would affect anything significantly.
Because the Scutaro salary dump wasn’t done to secure a pitcher, it was done as a buffer for the Aceves/Ortiz arbitration cases.
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*wouldn't
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I'm going to pretend I didn't hear this:
it was done as a buffer for the Aceves/Ortiz arbitration cases.
Because you can get in trouble for hurling things at the wall in disgust at work.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 31, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Prove me wrong, Cherington.
Prove me wrong.
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They threw a pretty low-ball offer his way, from what I gathered.
Didn’t seem like they had anything close to lined up.
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They offered him the same that the Cardinals did
Hard to blame Boston for not moving the franchise closer to Oswalt’s hometown. Though, maybe if the Sox kidnap Nolan Ryan and lock him up somewhere in the city, Roy will be interested again.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Which is to say
they weren’t especially aggressive in their pursuit of him.
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The same deal as the team
he REALLY, REALLY, REALLY wants to go to.
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Opening Day
CF Ellsbury
2B Pedroia
1B AGon
DH Youkilis
RF Sweeney
LF Ross
3B Aviles
SS Punto
C Salty
(shudder)…
Why is Ortiz not on your opening day roster?
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Good question
Ortiz is on the Sox in 2012 regardless. We just don’t know if it’s for $12.65M, $16.5M, or somewhere in between.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
In this alternate reality..
…Youk is the DH and Oswalt is on the team.
However if Ortiz were to get hurt, I’d hope the team would consider leaving Youk at 3B at least to see if he’s regained form, and would let Lavarnway take a shot at DHing.
Ah, okay
Sorry, missed that this was about the hypothetical poll roster
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think what Ben means to say is:
We aren’t getting a pitcher either way, so it does’t matter how much we pay in arbitration.
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That's what I meant to say above.
I forgot my contraction. >:(
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How bizarre is it that I actually trust the Lions GM more than the Red Sox's?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Because the Lions' GM
Acquired Stafford, Suh, Johnson, Pettigrew and Scheffler off the top of my head.
How many impact players at positions of original need have we acquired?
I’d trust the Lions too.
I am Sandy's bitch.
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Actually, Millen was the GM who drafted CJ.
It was the only good thing that mustached pile of shit has ever done.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 31, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
He was bound to hit on one wideout.
I wouldn’t hate him as my new AD.
I am Sandy's bitch.
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If any NFL FO hires him ever again
the entire state of Michigan will die of laughter.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 31, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions

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