Why Edwin Jackson To The Red Sox For A Year Is At Least Plausible
by Marc Normandin on Jan 27, 2012 2:13 PM EST
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PrintToday over at Baseball Nation, I took a look at Edwin Jackson and the 2013 starting pitcher market. The reasoning behind this is that Jackson reportedly has a few one-year offers lined up courtesy of the Boston Red Sox and St. Louis Cardinals, while the Orioles are out there saying they would go four years on Jackson if he'd have them.
Basically, there are a whole lot of free agent starting pitchers who also happen to have some ability becoming free agents in 2013. Not as many as there could be, given nearly one-third of them have favorable club options attached to their contracts, but still, a significant number of starting pitchers potentially switching jobs.
More starting pitchers on the market means more starting pitcher vacancies to fill. The Red Sox and Cardinals would benefit from a one-year deal with Edwin Jackson, as it wouldn't tie up their future but would solidify the present day, but Jackson would benefit from such an arrangement as well. If Nick Cardado's report yesterday is accurate, Jackson's agent, Scott Boras, is aware of this as well. Waiting a year would also mean he didn't need to pitch for the as-of-now likely last place team in the AL East for four years.
With Roy Oswalt seemingly infatuated with Texas, and a Gavin Floyd trade looking like it's going to happen later rather than sooner (if at all), how does Jackson on a one-year deal within the constraints of Boston's budget sound? (Besides surprisingly plausible.)
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Sounds great
But if the Orioles are offering a 4 year deal, assuming the AAV is close, he would be a fool not to take it.
Counterpoint:
He would be pitching for the Orioles.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I pointed this out yesterday.
Boras would be smart to have him sign with the Sox for one year because the Sox are much closer to making the playoffs than the Orioles. If the Sox make the playoffs and he pitches well in the playoffs, his next deal could be massive.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 27, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Did you know
to professional athletes money is important? Sorry to put it that way, but seriously, Damon left Boston for 10. Jackson to Boston makes no sense from his perspective at any level. The difference here is AT LEAST 25 million. Jackson hasn’t made close to the money that caused Damon to leave, or Pujols to leave.
Why does he care if the Sox make the playoffs? How does that enhance his value? He just was on a team that won the World Series,
Money is important to athletes.
If he pitches well in the right places he can make himself sa lot of it. Say he ends up ALCS MVP. might be able to parlay that into a mighty fine contract.
Hard to do that with the Orioles.
That’d be one of those levels where it might make sense.
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by Bloggy on Jan 27, 2012 11:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
On the other hand
it’s easy to get lost in the crowd on a team like the Red Sox, it’s easier to stand out if you’re surrounded by suck.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but it's hard to soar like an eagle
when you’re surrounded by turkeys.
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I don't think that's really true at all
on a team like the Orioles, even if he pitches well, he’s going to rack up the losses and look pretty unimpressive. I think a good pitcher on a media-crazy team like the Sox is going to be noticed plenty well.
That's my point.
It’s similar to the Beltre contract. Beltre performed very well, and look at his contract he got from the Rangers and that was without a playoff performance. Imagine what his contract would have looked like if he was either ALCS or WS MVP that year. If Jackson were to come to Boston and pitch well in the hardest division in baseball, and then if he was to win an award during the post-season, his value goes up extremely high.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 28, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
At that point in his career
Beltre had made well over $60 million in his career, and was leaving a very bad hitting ballpark to come to a very good hitting ballpark.
Jackson would be coming to a bad park to pitch in on a one year deal and hasn’t made close to what beltre had made.
Yeah, this is a valid point.
Just one that those of us hoping for a #4 don’t want to admit.
However, I agree with everyone else that it makes more sense to pitch FOR Boston, then to have to face them and the Yankees while pitching with the Orioles defense behind you.
I get what you’re saying about money… but Damon went to the Yankees (where he was paid more AND could contend), Pujols left the World Series winning Cardinals for the Angels (who should win the AL West or a Wild Card and contend). Cliff Lee took less money to go to the Phillies, where he expects to contend for the World Series. All of those guys, though, took deals where they could contend.
The other end of that perspective is a guy like Jason Werth going to the Nationals… and they had to make a huge overpay, but they might be able to contend in the NL East at some point during that contract.
The Orioles, on the other hand, are buried behind the Rays, Yankees, Red Sox and probably the Blue Jays in the AL East. So, there you’d be taking the money and saying you don’t care if you contend. I think that’s a HUGE difference from the other guys being discussed.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Why does pitching well in the playoffs strengthen his hand?
He has already played in two World Series.
This point, however, is totally valid.
If he won a World Series in Saint Louis, and they didn’t bring him back… clearly the market didn’t value that experience this year, so why would they value it if he does it again in 2012?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
If he goes to 2 WS in a row
maybe teams see him as an Eric Hinske-style good luck charm.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 28, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Pitching well in two straight post-seasons, not just one.
Might make people think he’s a big game pitcher and can deal with the pressure of the moment. Dave Duncan always has success with guys, that’s probably why nobody is thinking he’s worth that much. If Jackson were to come to Boston, and not be under the tutelage of Dave Duncan and it looks like he’s gotten inconsistency under control, his value goes up.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 28, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Okay... well, with Oswalt likely going to St. Louis...
… I guess I have moved to the Jackson camp.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
And when Jackson signs with someone else?
What then? What then?!
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 28, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
OH MY GOD, IT'S A FIRE...
… sale…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 29, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well, considering the rumor that he has at least three teams offering three years...
… I guess I’m in the Floyd camp, except that Kenny Williams knows he has us over a barrell, and as bad as he can be… I think even he knows he can ask us for almost anything.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Yeah he'd be pitching in the AL East
and get to acutally face the Sox offense along with all of the other good ones all the while winning around 60-70 games per year – who could ask for more!
But the goal is to get a $10M/yr offer..or so.
So, if the O’s offer him 4 yrs @ $32M with incentives, why not take it?
Take a 1 yr/$8M from the Sox and you might blow out your arm next year and never see it.
Because with the Sox offense and defense he'll likely post much better numbers here
setting him up to get a much BIGGER multi-year contract next year, easily making up any lost revenues for this one year.
I.E. if instead of a 4 × 8M contract with the O’s, he took, say, a 1 year 7M contract (or one with similar player options like Beltre’s did) with the Sox, if he posts a strong season with us he could set himself up to get a 4 × 10M contract NEXT year with someone. That’s a ton more money.
Yes, there is risk – he could get injured this year. But the payoff is an extra year and 15M more George Washingtons.
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And maybe a World Series berth
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Oh - that old thing.
Yeah, whatever.
(LOL)
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Of course it's plausible!
I thought the title was going to end in “a solid move by Cherington.”
Even I'd like that deal...
… though for that kind of money, I’d rather spend it on Oswalt.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Edwin is the new Adrian?
Will he also try to smack the crap out of anybody who touches his head after he strikes out the side?
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Doesn't
Really seem like it is. Why take a1yr deal for a team that plays in Fenway and plays the Yankees 18 times.
It looks the Sox were never doing more than hoping to get lucky. Looks like they aren’t.
Strange off season.
by flasoxfan on Jan 27, 2012 6:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
versus ... take a 4 year deal with the Orioles
and play BOTH the Red Sox and Yankees 18 times each, for 4 years????
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Yeah, of those choices...
I’d take the shorter deal, with the contender and one of the nastiest line ups in the game… rather than the longer deal, with a loser, facing two of the top line ups in the game.
Of course, if the Cardinals have offered him the same one year deal… well, then how about that Oswalt guy?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
You know
he might also get a big deal with one of those clubs who still values pitcher wins.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Again... I don't really care who we get...
… as long as we get one of them. And if another one goes off the market, we better add dollar signs to our offer for the other, or prospects to Kenny… whatever it takes to get the deal done.
There’s only so long we can wait this out without actually having to go with what we’ve got. In my opinion, what we’ve got is not enough.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I think even with one of them we're pushing it
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
So what if the difference is
at least 25 million????
There are two choices
1, long term deal – this is what he wants
2. short term deal, perform well, get longer term deal.
Why would he choose Boston in the second scenario?
Yes
If he gets a 4 year, 36 million dollar offer from the Orioles, he’ll take that over a 1 year, 9 million offer from the Red Sox. Why pass up a good deal so you can get a good deal next offseason?
by revived0103 on Jan 28, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
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Seems like Oswalt is infatuated with the Cards
cuz that’s where he’s going according to the World Wide Leader this morning.
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by DocOne on Jan 28, 2012 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rosenthal claims Jackson has "multiple three year offers"
So he’d have to really want to play in Boston to come here on a one year deal, I think. Or get a significant overpay…which we all know is unlikely.
One offer from Baltimore...
… one fake offer from Boras-Corp Borases, one four-year/$ 80MM offer from the Moscow Plutocrats and who else?
I could see him coming to Boston for a one year contract, depending on whether or not there is also an actual good team offering him a multiple year contract. However, mightn’t it be better to offer him a two-year contract so he isn’t becoming available in the middle of 2013’s good-pitcher-free-agent-bonanza?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 28, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
And gives us depth in 2013, to potentially fill a hole or trade away...
… of course, if that was true… maybe we would have actually made a play for Maholm, with his option for a second year?
The fact that we didn’t leaves me skeptical we’ll go to two with Jackson.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Boras-style
gonna end up with a team no one saw coming for too much money. I’m thinking the Expos on a 10 year/150 million deal.
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