Baltimore Orioles Want Edwin Jackson
by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM EST
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[Update 3:07 pm]: Nick Cafardo tweets that the Red Sox are believed to be "one of few teams" Edwin Jackson would sign a one-year deal with.
Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Baltimore Orioles are intrigued by Edwin Jackson, enough to want to offer him four years if they get the chance. The Red Sox are looking at Jackson as well, hoping no one else is interested so that he'll come cheap, in terms of both years and dollars.
The good news? Connolly isn't convinced that just because the Orioles are willing to offer four years means that Scott Boras and Jackson would take it.
After all, this is the Orioles, and if Jackson is going to suffer the pains of the AL East, he's probably going to want to do it while on a team that might actually score some runs for him rather than against him. He would be just 32 years old at the end of a four-year contract, so the traumatic experience could hypothetically hurt him when he's still young enough for a lucrative free agent deal. Plus, a successful season in Boston (should Boras settle for a "pillow contract") would help to dispel doubts about his ability to be productive in the tough AL East, making him a more attractive option to all 30 teams next year than he has been this winter.
And it's not exactly clear at this moment -- especially after an off-season where the Orioles didn't do very much housecleaning -- how soon the O's will contend, if they even would during a four-year deal. There are plenty of reasons to not just chase the money here, even if Jackson is a Boras client.
Boston isn't likely to chase Jackson if the O's offer is taken seriously by his camp, as they are more comfortable getting Jackson "at their offer price," according to Buster Olney. There's room in the budget for that, not a bidding war with the Orioles (or anyone). But maybe it won't even come to that.
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Could we please stop calling it a pillow contract?
It’s actually a “No one thinks you’re worth a long-term deal” contract.
I'm putting it in quotes for a reason
That’s what Scott calls ‘em. It’s that or I write, “Get Madson’d”
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Except that could also be used to explain destroying a teammate's season.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I can easily see good old Dan Duquette being blown away by Boras's binder on Jackson that portrays him as a future Hall of Famer
"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz
by L33to II on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If it's a one or two year deal,
I would think Boras would be smart to have him sign with Boston than Baltimore, and I’m not just saying that because I’m a Red Sox fan. We have a much better shot at making the playoffs, and if Jackson pitches well in the playoffs, he could get an even bigger deal. Anything over two though I wouldn’t do if I was the Sox.
That
And he wouldn’t have to face the Red Sox offense 2 or 3 times over the course of the year.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Any neutral fan should be able to agree to that : )
Go Pats. Celtics. Red Sox. Bruins.
Brady. Pierce. Thomas. How you doing?
Trying to coax a second year out of Boston?
At this point, I’m becoming resigned to the idea that Ben is going to stare these agents down stubbornly, until our rotation is Lester/Beckett/Buchholz/Bard/Padilla.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'm okay with this
Especially since they’ll still have the flexibility to make a move in-season.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify:
I would prefer a starter now. But as long as one is eventually incoming, it’s cool.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm absolutely certain we'll be making moves in-season
we just disagree on which direction.
Everything Must Go.
And for all we know,
It could be Larry doing all the staring down of agents.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'm just saying that it could be Ben or Larry.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Could be.
But, I don’t think it takes away from Aloha’s point in just becoming resigned that what we have is what we’ll have.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't trying to take away from his point.
Just saying without having full knowledge of what’s actually going on, it could be either Ben, Larry or both doing the staring down of agents.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Ah ok.
So it just was more of an issue of putting the name “Ben” in his post? I guess we can all make sure to put the front office in front of everything instead but to be honest I’m not sure the point. I get what you’re saying, don’t get me wrong.
I’m sure there are bad deals and lost deals that the fans attributed to Theo when Larry or J.H. overrode him. It’s just part of being GM and wearing the big boy pants.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I totally get that. I just think it's all speculation, is my overall point.
I was speculating about Larry, just like he was speculating about Ben, when it really could be more the fact that it’s the agents who are being stubborn, hoping that the Sox become desperate enough to give their clients anything they want in their contract.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ha ha ha!
Wow, this thread went down the rabbit hole.
I’ll stick to using “front office” going forward, or does that not include the “ownership” as potentially blocking the signings.
And I’m not sure I really believe that we’ll go to Spring Training without another pitcher signed, but I’m beginning to worry that we will.
For those folks that think it’s okay that we might add the pitcher later in the season, I want to point out the “depth” of our 2011 rotation was six or seven: Lester/Beckett/Buchholz/Lackey/Dice K/Wake and you could probably consider Doubront/Miller/Aceves/Millwood as additional depth down in the minors (or one of them as the 7th).
Maybe we won’t lose two out of three again this year, and have a third laboring through an injury with atrocious results, but I don’t really want to gamble on that after the last two years, especially since we’re now relying on a guy with a major back injury in 2011 and a guy who hasn’t started in more than five years.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I've never said we don't need another starter,
but I can’t tell you why one hasn’t been signed is my point. It’s probably a combination of things.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Larry's even worse at this GM thing than Ben is.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
disagree, Larry is a bright spot
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Yeah exactly my thinking
Boras wants a longer deal so all of a sudden the Orioles and a Mysterious Team is now offering a 4 year deal…
Sounds very fishy…
Re:
Connolly makes it sound more like the Orioles told him about four years, not Boras, who Connolly feels won’t really care anyway.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
This is encouraging:
From Cafardo:
Red Sox believed to be one of a few teams edwin jackson would accept a one year deal from.
That is indeed encouraging.
Hopefully he ends up with no choice but to sign one.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
UM....
..Jackson has pitched in the mythical land called the AAA-ELL EAST.
Not recently
since the East added even more of the best hitters in the league.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
That stint is likely one of the reasons
Teams don’t completely trust him yet.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
A year I ascribed to youth..
..and a year at the perfectly average 100 OPS+ that he’s more or less been since then. At the time, I called the Rays decision to trade him a big mistake.
His WHIP is outta hand bigtime, but he still can’t be worse then Lackey and Wake, and surely works faster and would keep the team in the game longer than Dice-K.
Right
But if we’re going to write off his troubles off to youth, why put alot of weight on the fact he pitched in this divison I’m not saying he is a bad option, just that I don’t think pitching in the AL East means much of anything except he knows the ballparks and where the good restaurants are nearby.
Your last point is made though…he is better than Lackey and Wake and would be a faster worker than Dice-K.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
So off topic...
Has anyone else seen the email thread from the “frat guy” in SoCal asking for advice over Craigslist and a “lawyer” from the firm Benjamin Jarvis Green Ellis offering to help? Classic, classic stuff. I was going to post the link directly, but wasn’t sure how the mods would feel about the content over there.
It also has a nice reference to our new Utility IF: Nick Punto, so it’s sort of Sox related…
Funny stuff!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Please do not give this guy 3 years if its going to cost more than 30 million total
(and it will)
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I hate free agency
Jackson over Oswalt
I love Jacko over Lee Harvey! And I find it hilarious the reports that Boston is too far from home for him to pitch after spending the last couple years in Philly???? Go on to Texas or St. Louis, hopefully the chiropractors are better there.
Well...
Oswalt was traded to Philly. He never signed there.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 27, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
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