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Red Sox Updated Payroll Figures

Courtesy of Alex Speier over at WEEI.com, we now have an updated look at the Red Sox' current budget, and the kind of flexibility they have remaining to them.

Follow the link if you want the full breakdown, which Speier has broken up into multiple categories: fixed salaries, arbitration eligible (meaning the unsigned David Ortiz and Alfredo Aceves), estimates for pre-arbitration eligible players, notable minor league deals (i.e., Aaron Cook and Vicente Padilla's possible $1.5 million deals), and, of course, "other".

The gist? The luxury tax threshold is $178 million, and the Red Sox are currently estimated, before they sign anyone else, to be at about $170 million without counting the $14 million extra spent on the medical staff, the 40-man roster, and bonuses. If they are forced to go to arbitration with Aceves or Ortiz, that number could rise or fall, but there is room for a signing there (such as the rumored offers for Roy Oswalt and Edwin Jackson, assuming the two can't find the higher-priced work they want elsewhere), or just of flexibility for the regular season, should they wait until the price falls on someone like Gavin Floyd, or even Wandy Rodriguez.

This is also a good place to remind everyone that Boston's opening day payroll in 2011 was just under $164 million, and that they ended up paying the luxury tax for their 40-man roster by year's end. They aren't "cheaping out", even if they did deal Marco Scutaro partly for financial flexibility -- if anything, they're likely ahead of last year's pace, and just as likely to pay the tax once more with baseball's second-highest payroll.

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Olney reported that the Sox offered Roy Oswalt around $5 million. So maybe they either expect the $170 to rise or maybe Ben really did get “soft” orders to stay under the cap despite him saying otherwise.

Or maybe they just low-balled him a little bit expecting that noone else would pay him that much. Or maybe they just aren’t really as interested in him as some here (including me) are.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Wow... really? $5 million?

That almost feels like they made an offer to say they made an offer, not one they thought he might take. No wonder he’s calling the Reds… I wonder what Detroit offered him?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be curious to see the other offers he has received

Maybe everyone is low-balling him, which is why he’s still available to begin with.

by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And did so

With many reports saying they would want him for the bullpen and as rotation depth. They might have told him differently in that regard, I guess.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 27, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

So the gorilla suit I wanted to send Cherington was too expensive

I’m thinking of sending him a plush gorilla instead.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha!

I wonder if he’d get the joke… or if he’s been getting a lot of plush gorillas this offseason.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 26, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Have a link?

I remember reading a rumor that STL offered him $5MM, but can’t find anything on the Sox figures.

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by John Leary on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if this will work

http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/16143/olney-sox-offered-oswalt-5m

I saw it on MLBtraderumors.com which is usually what I check because they are pretty quick about compiling rumors from various sources. I can’t watch his video blog from where I am but they summarize his quote there.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

The Sox are already on path to exceed the luxury tax threshold, without any more additions

That was the point of the Speier article. What Cherington is working against is the franchise’s own internal budget, which is independent of the CBT and is not publicly known. We ultimately do not know what the team’s financial restraints are and why they are low-balling Oswalt and Jackson. I mean, it’s probably just to punish us, but we can’t know that for sure.

by steel sox on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s probably just to punish us

Yes, I’ve suspected this for a little while now…

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 26, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, clearly something's amiss...

… if we’re clearing the luxury tax cap, dumped Scutaro’s salary anyway, but are looking for a starting SS to replace him… that’s not good.

I mean, it’s one thing if we dumped Scutaro’s salary, despite his gritty play the last two seasons, because we thought Aviles offered us a better hitting, similar defending player to replace him with. If the rumor that we’re looking for a starting SS is true, then that means this was just a deal about the money…

And if we’re going over the cap, and still dumping Scutaro’s salary, I’d say we must be really close to the budget line. Especially with the offers rumored for Oswalt/Jackson.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 26, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

re: shortstop search

My assumption, given the way they have handled things this winter, is that they are just window shopping for the most part, in case a deal they can’t pass up comes their way. They appear very thorough, and do their due diligence with pretty much everything.

I mean if the Sox had signed everyone they had been looking at this winter, for one reason or another, they would have like three teams of players. But it seems like most of this is just making a very large list of Plan Bs and Plan Cs.

by Marc Normandin on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that isn't the point

I was asking about this earlier. I think the Front office needs to do one of two things, remain below the CBT or fill out the team in a cost conscience way. I am fully understanding that it is a profit driven investment ect. I would love knowing that we reset the tax and won’t pay the 50% next year when we again make smart buys, but if we aren’t staying under can we please just get a pitcher. I cannot see a reason for not achieving one or the other.

by AZredsoxfan on Jan 26, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And not trade away our starting SS because he's too expensive to keep.

I mean, if we’re paying the tax anyway… why deal him?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 26, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Have we not heard from every report that they are going over for sure?

I mean even if we win an arb case with ortiz and not one person meets an incentive we can pick up anyone to patch up the team mid season. I think we either have to make choices that should have been made before to definitely remain below this season or complete the roster/rotation. It’s like they are trying to stay under knowing that it won’t work.

by AZredsoxfan on Jan 26, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you;re misunderstanding

he’s say that just because the luxury tax isn’t the be all end all number they need to stop spending at, it doesn’t mean that there isn’t a certain number they can’t spend more than.

by wolf9309 on Jan 27, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes...

… I was disappointed when I thought we were hewing to the CBT threshold. Now, I’m just confused. Somehow dumping a very cost-efficient production-wise Scutaro was understandable (if disagreeable) when it was being done with the cap in mind. Now, I’m just going WTF?

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 26, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay... so more fun with budget numbers.

If we started 2011 with a payroll of $164 million, and still ended up over the luxury tax cap threshold (probably, I would guess, in part to having to call guys up to replace guys lost to injury), is there any way to make deals that reduce the cap hit during the season?

For instance, let’s say Lavarnway tears up AAA for April/May and gets called up in June. Can we keep Shoppach as the back up catcher, and save some money against the cap by trading Salty? If so, what do we save: the balance of the deal for 2012, or some sort of complicated formula? Or do we not save anything at all?

On the other end, if we lose players to injury, I assume they count in full? So Dice K’s full 2011 salary counted against the 2011 cap, even though we had to replace his innings on the roster with more money that also counted against the cap.

Right?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 26, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

yes, and it's the balance of the deal

and yes to the last part. Dice-K’s full salary will count for this year as well.

by wolf9309 on Jan 27, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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