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Why am I a Red Sox fan?

This is my first post. I have enjoyed reading Over the Monster for quite some time, but I finally figured I might have something to say.

I became a Red Sox fan in October of 1986. It was my first year in Boston, and I was completely swept away by the ALCS and World Series that year. If you recall, when the Tigers won the World Series in 1984, there were images of burning cars all over Detroit, so I had no idea what would happen in Boston.

When the Sox won the pennant in 1986, the goal was, apparently, to hang a pair of red socks from every light post in Kenmore Square. Obviously, Sox fans are more dignified! (Of course we'll overlook the bums trying to overturn the Pizza Pad delivery truck)!


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I grew up in north Jersey, so for the majority of my youth, I made the mistake of rooting for the local teams, the Yankees and the Mets. (I know…BOO…HISS…I deserve that.) But after seeing a few games at Fenway (I believe it was only 6 bucks for a bleacher seat back then), I was completely taken away by the Green Monster, and the storied history of the Red Sox. How many college classes were missed if the Sox were in town? Answer = every one of them!

In the 2003 season, I had a chance to visit Boston (and of course the Green Monster), and after the game, I purchased a cheap $5 t-shirt that said "Reverse the Curse", with "Babe, Bucky, Buckner" on the back. I was the only one still awake in the house during the night of the fateful ALDS game with Boone’s homer. (My wife is now, as rabid about the Red Sox as I am). Right before the homer, I remember, in my drunken state, thinking “OH HELL, his name starts with B too! NOOOOOOOOO!!!” I had considered taking a magic marker and adding ‘Boone’ to the t-shirt, but I burned it in the campfire instead.

Happily, my rabid fandom has been more than repaid, with ’04 and ’07 titles. I have just moved to Fort Myers, and my current obsession is to see the Sox in spring training, complete with the Southern Green Monster.

I realize that a lot of you are frustrated about the recent turnover/changes in the Red Sox system, i.e., Theo/Ben, Lowrie, Scutaro, OMG sign a f-ing pitcher already, etc. However, we have actually been spoiled for quite some time now. The Sox have fielded a very competitive team over the last decade, and that’s a lot to be thankful for. And I still believe that they will compete this year.

We still have Gonzo, Pedey, YOOOOOUUUK, Els, Papi, and a few others. Most teams would gladly have that as their core.

Well…thanks for letting me ramble! I look forward to seeing what the Sox are going to do, and what you guys are going to have to say about it!

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We may have been "spoiled" with recent success

but I don’t think that we are acting any differently, to be honest. The fanbase is still scrutinizing every move the front office makes…it’s simply viewed in a different context because we’ve won titles in the last decade.

The actual behaviour, though, is the same.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

That shirt you got sounds like something a Yankee fan would wear.

They were usually the ones to bring up the B’s. But burning it in the campfire reminds me of my own anecdote. Back in 04 on the night they went down 0-3, I went on the computer and printed out a picture of Babe Ruth. I took a red crayon or marker and wrote “The Curse” on it, and went out on my stoop to burn it. I believe in energetic intentions like that, and it couldn’t have worked much better. Another ritual I started during the regular season that year was playing Tessie really loud after every win. I did it for every win except the last one. I was a little guy then, 12, but to this day I think it helped.

by revived0103 on Jan 26, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

I became a fan in 1986 too...

…but it was because they lost..the whole ‘loveable loser’ thing. And GD, they haven’t lost a WS game since I became a fan!

by Dale Sams on Jan 26, 2012 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

I did in 2008, so you can all call me a bandwagoner now I guess.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 26, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

I started watching baseball as a kid after playing World Series Baseball 95 on the Genesis

Back when you could actually watch a home game on Channel 68.

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by L33to II on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Im a bit younger,

The earliest I can remember was ’95 when I was seven. My family always made a point to take me out of school and to opening day. All I remember is always wanting a mini bat and often getting a pennants instead, the T and notably a old woman who told me she thought it was the year cause her cactus bloomed for the first time, and Mo Vaughn because I had his card.

The first game I truly remember, and still my favorite game I’ve attended and the on that cemented my love of the Sox was ‘98s opening day. Everyone one left and my dad said we don’t do that. Randy Johnson had pitching lights out for 8 innings, and the Sox where down 7-2 in the bottom of the ninth and the team put it together topped off by a walk off gland slam by mo in his last year. This was the first time I heard of Nomar and that Seattle team was stacked with names. Pretty cool for me every time I look back.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=199804100BOS

by AZredsoxfan on Jan 26, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Whatta comeback.

Looks like Heathcliff Slocumb and Mike Timlin both did their part to help.

by revived0103 on Jan 26, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I still say

That Slocum for Varitek and Lowe trade has to go down as one of the most freakin’ lobsided deals in favor of Boston. We had no way of knowing it was gonna be that good for us at the time, but… damn! :)

by Rick Bentsen on Jan 26, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You saying youre a bit younger starting watching in 95

makes me feel really young.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 26, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say that's pretty young

I refuse to start feeling old this early.

by AZredsoxfan on Jan 26, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I did in 2008 when I was 11

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 26, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson, Floyd or Oswalt

and they’re good. I can’t wait to see Bard starting.

by revived0103 on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I can

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If by "fun"

you mean every fan in the outfield seats gets a ball.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I'm not sure

they’re fucking with his offseason program, and it’s not like he was super fantastic in August and September.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He seems like a strong minded guy.

Playing baseball in a slightly different way probably isn’t going to rattle him. It’s worth the risk. He is a bit streaky though.

by revived0103 on Jan 26, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My opinion is if he was that strong minded

he would have instantly become closer once Paps left.

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by gizmosandy on Jan 26, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

But they trader for two relievers,

and they seem to want him in the rotation, at least at the moment. If they get two starters that will change.

by revived0103 on Jan 26, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

BLAAAAAAAAAARGH! OMFG! SIGN STARTERS!

I think I speak for everyone when i say that.

by Rick Bentsen on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't speak for me !

I’m sure every baseball fan has seen the replays of the famous game 6 HR by Carlton Fisk , in the 1975 WS . I was 10 years old , and watched it when it happened . That was before the days of closers , settup men , short relief lefty or righty specialists , and the 5 man rotation .
There is a reason why there were so many more 20 game winners in those days . They only had a 4 man rotation , a full bullpen of guys that could give you 3-5 innings of solid work , any time they were called on . The Sox had Louie Tiant , Bill Lee , Rick Wise , And Reggie Cleveland , starting for them . If a SP was not ready for a start on 3 days rest , they would start their most rested reliever , use him for 4-5 innings , and bring in another reliever . The Sox have a bunch of guys that could cover the # 5 spot , and Dice-K will be back after the allstar break .
I’m not saying that I prefer to go with what we have , I’m just saying that if we have to , it does not automatically mean that 2012 will be a lost season . Every year there are playoff tems that made it to the playoffs , on arms that were a huge surprise . Last year , the Yankees had Nova , Garcia , and Colon . Did anyone see them winning the AL east with those 3 guys in the rotation ? I sure didn’t !

by EldonD on Jan 26, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

If the competition has improved and we have not, how can we expect different results?

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by gizmosandy on Jan 26, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, thank you,'thank you.

My first game at Fenway was 1946 but I was too young to remember. By 1948 I had a huge collection of baseball cards for the Sox and Braves. We rode the MTA to Fenway for a nickel, from Dorchester, and got great seats because in the 50’s there were lots of empty
seats. There is, IMO, no such thing as a bandwagon fan, just fans, and sometimes there are more of them, as with the current team. But the hard core fan is not always a good fan. Back when just a few thousand came out for Ted’s final game after nearly 20 years of being the face of the team, the ‘hard core’ along the left field line and in the bleachers were there, of course to rain insults on the greatest hitter alive. The negativity, impatience, and pedendtry that has recently dominated this site about this terrific team, this new GM who has accomplished so much in a few months, from medical staff to international scouting to redefining the offseason approach away from mfy-lite, tbis new manager who is working tirelessly to bring players and fans into the new season with a new start … I don’t get it. Many on this site considered Scoot average. Now he is a fallen martyr. Most wanted a good lefty masher to platoon in RF. Now, Cody Ross for $3M is a huge mistake. Really? Most, in 2010 wanted to trade Pap, and now Ben is moron for not paying $50M to keep him? And of course Bailey and Melancon wont make anyone happy. No one here wanted CJ et al, but now offers to Oswalt, Jackson, trade talks for Floyd and Garza are not worthy. I’m not sorry about the rant. It needed to be said. Objectivity and negativity are not the same thing. This site
has always been a beacon of objectivity, but it has been trending towards negativity, vitriolic
negativity, and an inclusivity that is hostilemto new posters. For what its worth, I hope this site can return to objective commentary which is supportive of the team and its players; our team and our players. Talk of not attending games, bashing current and new players sounds alot like the gang that bashed Ted Williams, Pumpsie Green and Nick Green just for the fun of it. The players never considered those people fans.

by GerryT on Jan 27, 2012 3:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

while I agree with the sentiment that negativity is heavy this offseason, people's criticisms aren't invalid and contradictory (might not be the right word) as you make them out to be.

Part of the reason people wanted to trade Paps is BECAUSE he would cost so much to retain and people wanted to get something back besides a draft pick. I don’t know anyone who wanted to trade Pap in 2010 that is now mad they didn’t pay him $50 million. I don’t even know anyone who is mad that they didn’t sign him due to what it would’ve cost. Who said he was a moron for not signing him, I have not seen that anywhere except perhaps from one particular completely unreasonable poster. I didn’t really agree with trading him back then, but I’m also glad they didn’t sign him for that much.

I think most of the people who didn’t like the Scoot or Ross moves were putting those moves into context with the team needs and other moves (or non-moves this offseason). Which is a very reasonable approach. Oswalt or Jackson on a one-year deal or trading for a cheap Floyd is not the same as paying CJ Wilson John Lackey money over the next 5-6 years. So it is perfectly understandable why people who didn’t want CJ would want the other guys. I think the need for a RH Bat (which is what Ross is) was overblown but signing him doesn’t really bother me.

Now don’t take this post the wrong way. Your overall point still is there and has truth to it, I see some who are always negative but I also see some who will refuse to show any displeasure. And I feel negatively about several things, and also feel there is plenty of hope. However, there is valid criticism of every one of those moves when you consider them in context. You can also defend everyone of them. They are not slam dunks either way.

You’re right, Ben came into a terrible situation. He had to hire a manager, deal with a stunned and angry fanbase, fix the medical staff, has been working on the scouting program all while trying to improve the team and doing so on a limited budget.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 27, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I became a Sox fan in the Playoffs of 2007

I was 10 then

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by Conor Duffy on Jan 26, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

So you are the same age as me

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 26, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Good grief

You two are making me feel extremely old :)

by Rick Bentsen on Jan 26, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell me about it.

My grandkids are older. Merisa and Conor, you two are amazing. Ted Williams would have loved talking with you, and kept you talking for hours. Keep up the good work

by GerryT on Jan 27, 2012 3:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Mar-Mar.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I never liked that one either

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 27, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I like it.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's nice

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 27, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys both come across as older and more mature

Than I would expect of someone of that age. That’s not me being negatively stereotyping against other teenagers, that is me giving you guys props for working as hard as you do to keep up with the game and give informed opinions on players from other teams, prospects, etc.

by The Name is Dalton on Jan 27, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

TLD does

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 27, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm 21

acting like a teenager helps me preserve my youth.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Egads

I"m almost older than both you and Marisa combined, TLD. Thanks. Now I REALLY feel old. :)

by Rick Bentsen on Jan 27, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You should feel old

if you’re using “egads” unironically.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 27, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You're 21?

Younger than I thought you were actually

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 27, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This explains a lot

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by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 1, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to say this though

Despite the fact that y’all are making me feel old (But GerryT makes me feel young, so it balances out :) ) I appreciate the insights that you both bring to this site. You both are respectful and intelligent fans, which we need in our younger generation :)

by Rick Bentsen on Jan 27, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like an honest conversion to being a Bosox fan!!

I applaud your open-mindedness to see through things….Being a Sox fan for 54 years, it has been a challenging duration….I grow up watching my idol, Ted Williams play the game along with numerous, fabulous players over the years. We finally did it in ‘04 and it was way overdue….thanks for your read on things and thanks for sharing about your Sox conversion….We have a great team on the field and I feel real positive about ALL the changes during the off-season….CHANGE is good and let’s see what happens this year!
PS: We still need a Oswalt/Jackson solution for this year to allow us to dump a couple of fallen starters….just my thoughts….ty for listening, steve

Disappointed this year that the Sox couldn't finish, but I know they'll come back and I hate those Yankees....Go Bosox!

by biker98332 on Jan 28, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

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