Red Sox Avoid Arbitration With Andrew Bailey, Agree To $3.9 Million Contract
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 25, 2012 6:07 PM EST
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PrintThe Red Sox have avoided arbitration with their new closer Andrew Bailey, agreeing on a $3.9 million contract for the 2012 season according to Jon Heyman.
The $3.9 million falls slightly closer to the $3.35 million figure submitted by the Red Sox than Bailey's $4.7 million, and comes with an extra $100,000 in incentives. It's a sizable amount to pay a closer in their first year of arbitration, but certainly a nice reprieve from the eight digit sums the Sox have become accustomed to in their years with Jonathan Papelbon, who received nearly $40 million in four years of arbitration with the Red Sox.
For those keeping track, Ben Cherington is now just two cases away from maintaining Theo Epstein's streak of avoiding arbitration cases. The team is only $650,000 apart with Aceves, but the gap with Ortiz is nearly $4 million. While the fan favorite DH is still hoping for a multi-year deal, there's been no real word of any talks in that direction.
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3.9 =
Number of saves he’ll get? Is he our closer? Does anyone know?
Everything Must Go.
by Sean O on Jan 25, 2012 6:23 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I thought we were going Closer By Committee?
You know… Melancon, Bailey, Aceves, and Bard… don’t forget Jenks. Wait, Jenks is done for the year, right?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
3.90
the ERA Cherington hopes he puts up after they convert him to a starter.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ortiz
I was actually very confused by the figure submitted by the Red Sox. Its so close to Ortiz’ last year salary, and with Ortiz’ great year, its almost unimaginable that David loses arbitration.
@VagabondBansal
It's worth arguing that you shouldn't get a raise just because you played well.
At some point you’re getting paid enough that a great season, is merely doing what you were paid to do. The arbiters could side with the Sox on the basis that $12.whatever million might be the ceiling of what a DH of his caliber should be paid.
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Okay, that made me laugh out loud.
But on a serious note, that isn’t good news for the arbitration hearing with Big Papi, is it?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
It is.
Fielder is at first, Miggy is at 3rd.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 25, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
And who is the DH there?
Do we really think Miggy is going to stick at third?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I think if Youk can handle two years of it, so can Miggy.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Miggy was decent at third in the past, wasn't he?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
-19 TZ Rating overall
-3.4 UZR in 2006, -4.2 in 2007
I think the real worry is he hasn’t played it regularly since 2007
They should DH Miggy
Let Peralta play 3B and find a decent SS option that can field well. Oh and find somewhere to stash Delmon Young – like the end of the bench
They should at least see if Miggy isn't miserable at 3B now, when they have the option of moving him to DH
and sign/trade for a decent 2B, Peralta is okay where he is now, not great but he’s not going to lose you a ton of games. Santiago is just awful, they need to find someone to take his place in the lineup.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think so.
He was below average before they moved him to first base.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
No.
Unless you mean when he was in Florida and even then, not really.
He has played in 14 games at 3rd since he went to Detroit and has made 5 errors.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Youk was also good at third before being moved to first base to accommodate Mike Lowell.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
If not because you've done well
why else should you be rewarded?
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In many cases you can do very well
and not be rewarded at all
If I hear “Salary-freeze” one more year……
So Rogue Nine is arguing on the side of freezing your salary.
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It's hard to explain
But for someone that is a veteran at Ortiz’s level, he’s put in so many good seasons and his salary has seen so many adjustments that maybe with a very good year, compared to his salary and the market for DH’s, he’s just meeting the standards rather than exceeding them and doesn’t deserve a raise. Does that make any sense? In my head it does, but my head is special.
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I get it
He’s performing at expectations for a good DH, why pay him twice what a good DH would make on the open market.
The name “Big Papi” is not worth an extra 8 million.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
the fact is that the current rate he is paid
came on a contract after several years of outperforming the year he just had. So why should he get a 32% raise if he isn’t improving?
He shouldn't get a 32% raise.
Unfortunately, the Red Sox only offered him a 1.2% raise. And if you have to choose between the two, I’m not sure I’d pick the 1.2%.
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Conversely
The Red Sox overpaid for Ortiz in 2011 relative to the DH market, as Ortiz’s 2010 was similar to Vlad/Matsui, who were both free agents. Boston can basically say they paid Ortiz for the production they thought he was capable of already, and that he was getting a slight raise/repeat to do it again.
They both have an argument for arb, if it comes to that, but Boston’s is probably stronger. I don’t get the sense either party wants to go that route, though.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not...
I’d like us to free up some more money now, and in 2013, with a two year deal.
I know a lot of folks see it as a risk, but with his final numbers in 2009 and 2010 (despite the slow starts) and his entire 2011 (with what appeared to be a new approach, possibly coached by Gonzo), I have confidence he has another strong campaign in 2012, and we’d be paying out to have him back in 2013 anyway.
Let’s do the two year deal, save on AAV, and give the big man the security he wants.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
If they could get him talked into retirement at the end of 2013
so we don’t have to keep going through this crap with him, then I’d bite at 2 years
We lose Dice and probably Youkilis next year which clears some nice money off the books so we probably don’t “need” to part with Ortiz financially
Well, yes and no...
How old was Edgar when he retired? He played at a pretty high level… not very many DHs do, but as long as Big Papi does, why not keep him around for a year or two at a time?
Wonder if we could get him to a point where we get that kind of Wakefield option with him…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Not if he continually thinks he's
eligible to be paid way over market value just because he’s “Papi”
Yeah, that $16 million number is a little on the high side...
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Boston's is stronger from a SABR point of view
but from a “reward for achievement” standpoint, no. Ortiz’s is stronger. The true number is in the middle, but most would side with person over the corporation.
“You done good. Here’s a quarter.”
That smacks of disrespect. If a person had to choose between two numbers based on that…they’ll choose to overpay.
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yeah, but I think everyone should realize that
“you’ve done as well as we expected, here’s a 32% raise” is even more ridiculous.
well Papi said he thought it would go to arbitration
may have just been posturing, but I believe he would because he’s upset that they let it go as far as arbitration without offering him whatever stupid size contract he wanted.
Ben just may pull this off
fielding a contending team with bloated contracts under the luxtaxcap. Am enamored with the platoons at C, SS, RF until the kids emerge (Lava, Kalish, Iglesias, Middlebrooks, Tazawa, Wilson, etc.) and the new era truly begins. Feel a bit disappointed that Oswalt doesnt want to play with us, am fine with Jackson, and am pleased that Ben has offers out there among good SP’s. Perhaps in juat a few days all the anger, angst and worries can end and the fanbase can support this team.
If we sign at least one SP (or trade for a legit one like Floyd)...
… I, for one, will go back to my usually glass overflowing self!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Well, I never expected to see you in my camp...
… it’s just a surprise that I’m agreeing with you on the state of the Sox (negatively) a lot more than I ever thought I would.
I enjoy reading your rants, thoroughly disagreeing with you on a regular basis, and look forward to going back to the yin and yang of our dynamic.
I really just want an Oswalt signing to make me feel all warm and fuzzy again.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Oswalt cannot make Beckett or Buchholz produce anything this year
or make the Great Bard Experiment anything but a pipe dream.
It is, at best, a bandaid on a gaping flesh wound.
Everything Must Go.
Sounds like Roy's not coming to Beantown
9:36pm: Some executives believe that the Rangers are the favorites to land Oswalt, writes Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Other interested clubs include the Cardinals, Red Sox, Nationals, Indians, and Brewers.
Roy's from the south
I’m sure he’s familiar with the term “shotgun wedding.”
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's pregnant with our illegitimate pitching arm.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
The Rangers would rotation would be absolutely nasty if he goes to Texas.
Maybe we could raid them for a starter.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh.
I was so hoping we’d work that out, but I can also understand not wanting to come to the situation we offer in Boston.
However, I really think it’s his best chance at a ring… so I’m a little confused. The other teams on that list… the Rangers maybe, the Cardinals could… but neither needs a starter. The Brewers without Fielder and Braun suspended?
His best chance is Boston, and he won’t take the deal? FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF…!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Stupidest sportswriters...
…second most entitled fans…just had a historic collapse, with a horribly dysfunctional team and no leadership?
That whole ‘glow of playing in Fenway’ only applies to Arb-eligible rubes from Pittsburgh or Oakland. He’s been in the WS, and he’s not poor.
Oswalt goes to the Rangers and trade Salty and a prospect for whatever league-average pitcher he bumps.
Dont the rangers already have 6 starters?
Yes, so it'll be interesting if we end up getting Harrison or whomever when Oswalt goes there.
Might not be a bad thing either… unless we trade for Feliz, and convert two high leverage relievers to starters in the same offseason.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Harrison would be cheap.
He was terrible until this past year.
Harrison won't be cheap
he wasn’t terrible last year.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be pretty psyched to get Feliz, though
Don’t think we would or anything, but he’s still a great talent.
Feldman=Aceves
bad starter, great multi-inning reliever.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Rosenthal said that they had shopped Harrison for a centerfielder earlier this off-season.
So maybe adding Oswalt will truly make Harrison available. But that doesn’t mean the Sox will get him.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I know that's sarcasm.
I wasn’t saying the Sox would get Harrison, just saying that Rosenthal said that the Rangers were shopping Harrison and I’m sure if they added Oswalt they would shop him again,
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
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