Roy Oswalt To Texas Or St. Louis? Could Boston Be Too Far From Home?
When news broke that Roy Oswalt wasn't particularly interested in joining the Detroit Tigers on Monday, we all thought this was pretty good news for the Red Sox' pursuit of the free agent starter.
Well, not so fast. Peter Gammons has apparently been talking to some executives who seem to think he's headed elsewhere:
We shall see, but 2 GMs think Oswalt wants to reuinite w/ Ryan and M. Maddux in Texas, 1 says St. Louis.
It's not the most encouraging of news for those who had their hopes and hearts set on Oswalt, but does it pass muster?
For St. Louis, the deal seems a bit unlikely if they haven't changed their stance on Oswalt of late. Earlier this month, the Cardinals had made their interest in Oswalt known, but only as a bullpen pitcher. With the World Series champs having a fairly well-established rotation, any move for Oswalt would likely require another member of the rotation to be dealt away. That's two conditions that need to be met, which makes the Cardinals seem like an unlikely target for now.
The Rangers seem more realistic, but only slightly. They've got plenty of guys who want to start, like the Red Sox, but between Ogando and Feliz both trying to convert, and the breakout cases of Harrison and Holland from last year, there's something to be said for assuming that at something will go wrong and having a guy like Oswalt there in case. It would certainly be a ridiculous staff, but they like to go big down in Texas, and the Angels have pushed the bar pretty high.
Of course, neither situation is nearly as attractive as Boston's. Oswalt would instantly be the #4 starter, with nobody really threatening to take any time from him at any point in the season barring injury. But then Danny Knobler chimes in mentioning that the Sox' offer may not have swayed Oswalt because they're too far from Mississipi, his home state.
All things considered, I must admit to being a bit worried that Knobler may have hit the nail on the head. The Sox have made an offer to Oswalt, and it seems clear that it's the best he's going to get unless someone falls down the stairs in New York and breaks an arm. So, why hasn't he signed? A guy as experienced as Oswalt isn't necessarily out to prove himself or make the most money anymore either, especially when top dollar could be as "little" as $10 million for one year. Quality of life could certainly take priority. His rejection of Detroit certainly seems to suggest just that.
The good news is that Gavin Floyd is still out there no matter what, and when you take the CBT and health into account, might just be the best option for the Sox anyways.
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Is there any indication Floyd is available for non-outrageous prices?
Or is there just more desperate hopes on our parts?
by Sologub on Jan 25, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Depends on who you ask
Either the price is crazy, or it’s come down, or it’s come down but isn’t low enough yet, or it has always been crazy.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well, much like the Pineada deal, we probably won't know until/unless a deal gets done.
I’m thinking that the one point Ben missed on why Floyd may make more sense (cap and health both valid) is the roster logjam you pointed out earlier.
We either have to move some guys, or DFA them, so I’d think we’d try to get a deal done. I’d rather have Oswalt, but I have to wonder why it isn’t done by now.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Sounds like he doesn't want to come
Doesn’t really surprise me, for reasons Ben and BZ laid out in other topics. Plus, I imagine he prefers a different atmosphere than Boston’s. I wonder what he thought of Philly.
I never understood the battery thing...
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I just never understood
why they wanted to throw batteries at JD.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Basically
in 1997 when he was originally drafted they had the #2 pick. Boras supposedly warned them that he would not sign for less than $10 million and they had said they wouldn’t pay an unproven draftee that amount of money. They drafted him anyway, stuck to their guns on not paying him 8 figures and he decided not to sign.
He played in an independent league for a year, and then went back into the draft and was drafted by the Cardinals. So they believe he shunned them and basically screwed them out of the #2 pick when they probably should’ve just drafted someone else knowing his demands. That is more or less how I understand it.
The first time he played in Philly for the Cards a couple fans threw D batteries at him. Kind of silly but there it is.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 25, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Rick gets that part, but wonders why they chose batteries to throw...
I feel like I recall a story that explained that, but it’s been so long now, I’ve forgotten.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Hurt more than paper airplanes...
… easier to carry that cow turds.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I thought there was more than that.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Ah I see
Well, it wasn’t the first time that batteries were their weapon of choice. They used to hurl batteries (among other things) at Dick Allen (their own player!) back in the mid-60’s, presumably because he was the only black player on the team and it was of course a different time. The guy had to wear his batting helmet in the field to protect himself from his own damn fans.
So I assume it was a little tribute to the idiocy of the generation of fans that preceded them.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not to say other fanbases weren't racist, of course.
As we all know that Boston had a bad reputation for it in some ways, although we didn’t try and injure our own players. (did we? I don’t think we did but I don’t know)
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
*nods*
Indeed. I knew the story about the draft. Just, yannow, never understood batteries :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 26, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Offer made to Jackson, per mlbtr
I’d prefer Jackson if a one-year deal is the cost.
Wow... that's an interesting bit of news.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
It comes from Bowden,
he’s very hit and miss. He also says the Sox prefer Jackson over Oswalt.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhh...Jim Bowden
Ah yes, “OPSBI”….we have dismissed that statistic.
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Just a problem for the 40 man...
… so we DFA Lars, and… and… at least three DFAs that way, right?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
That's a problem I wouldn't mind having though
I’m sure we could find 3 to DFA without any problem.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
We probably trade a couple guys for a SS
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
These offers to Jackson and Oswalt
make me think Kenny’s asking price for Floyd is too steep for Cherington’s taste.
Well, he might still be an idiot
we don’t know the asking price.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
We could always sweeten the Floyd offer...
… by offering to have the Patriots’ special teamers teach his kid to field and return punts.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not that he deserved the death threats
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
San Francisco sports has a nasty streak
When what’s-his-face broke Buster Posey’s leg, they got real vicious real fast.
49ers fans are some of the biggest douchebags on the planet.
Should have seen them on Pride of Detroit after handshakegate.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
He received death threats?
Expect him in a Lions uniform next year.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Have to expect he isn't in San Francisco next year.
Not that it’s right, but hard to imagine Harbaugh keeps him there after that performance.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
That was a reference to Eric Wright
who received death threats in Cleveland before going to Detroit.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I figured it was a reference to another player...
… just saying, it’s possible too.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
From Scott Lauber via twittter.
Sources indicate the Sox are more likely to address starting pitching through FA rather than trade. So this plays into this line of thinking.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Or, as I suggested in the Jackson piece... a shot across the bow to Kenny to tell him there are other options.
As we’ve been discussing, the Sox don’t usually promote the offers on the table, so whether it’s done to push Oswalt to sign with Boston before we sign Jackson instead, actually sign Jackson, or get Kenny Williams to become more realistic on what he’s asking for… I really don’t care.
You know what I think?
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by AlohaSox on Jan 25, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From Brian McPherson on Twitter
Ben Cherington says on WEEI, “There are no specific orders to stay under” the luxury-tax threshold.
If that's the case, sign both EJ and Oswalt
Imagine this rotation:
Lester
Beckett
Buchholz
Oswalt
Jackson
All problems solved. :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we don't want him pissed
he’ll get Lavarnway beaned in AAA
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
whoa, whoa
we gotta clear roster space. Lets also trade for Alexei Ramirez, right? since we’re going all out.
by wolf9309 on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hell if we're gonna go all out
Trade for Floyd and Ramirez, sign Oswalt and Jackson…
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
"Gee, Rick. Now you're just being greedy."
Damn right!
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
How is it that the FO didn't see those deals would be shit
but at least half of us here at OTM did?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to start operating under the assumption
that Theo knew he wasn’t going to be back after last year and has been trying to sabotage us with bad contracts.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
A good case can be made for this point...
… I mean, he knew the Cubs job was opening eventually, and that his first ballot HOF candidacy would be wrapped up by ending their World Series drought, a much better situation than trying to win a third ring in Boston, where the expectations were getting out of hand…
So why not take down your current team on the way out the door?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'm waiting until he offers some middling pitching prospects...
… for Crawford, with Chicago only taking on ~ $ 15MM per year. At that point..
* head explodes *
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, considering how timidly he runs towards the Green Monster in Fenway...
… I wonder what Carl would think of playing in Wrigley, with the potential to run into a brick wall.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, who would we get rid of in our rotation?
Make Beckett our closer?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd put Jackson in the pen for long relief
Aceves and Jackson as long relief and Bard and Melencon as setup men for Bailey.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Or...
we could trade Bailey for a right fielder.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
...Ichiro?
I don’t know, Marlon Byrd maybe, but he’s on a non-contender who wouldn’t want Bailey.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
How about Corey Hart?
Probably not for Bailey, but he could be had and we need the 40 Man space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting thought...
I’d have to look more at Hart… not as familiar with him as with others.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good bat, "blah" defense
would mean we could wave “bye-bye” to DMac, which would make me happy.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yaya
Have to move Bard and, um, Jackson to the ’pen. This is just not a bad problem to have :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Why the hell didn't he just come out and say at the beginning of the off-season?
It certainly would have calmed some of the negativity around this site and other Sox related sites.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Selective quoting
The second half reads:
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by Rogue Nine on Jan 25, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
BULLSHIT.
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