With A Full 40-Man, Is A Trade Incoming?
by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 12:01 PM EST
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Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal made an astute point on Twitter earlier today, after pointing out that the Red Sox' 40-man roster is currently full. It's why Cody Ross's deal remains unofficial, even though it's done:
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Brian MacPherson If the #RedSox were going to do a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 trade for a starting pitcher, now would be the time.
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Signing Roy Oswalt or Edwin Jackson isn't impossible, but Boston will have to designate two players for assignment in order to get to the point where both Cody Ross and the new free agent pitcher could be on the roster. As MacPherson suggests, a trade might be the simplest way to do this, assuming someone else is willing to deal. Gavin Floyd, anyone?
Felix Doubront is on the 40-man and out of options. He could plug Floyd's spot in the rotation for the White Sox, who are in a position to see if he could start. Maybe the White Sox would also be willing to take a chance on someone like Che-Hsuan Lin, or Michael Bowden, or even Lars Anderson -- not so much for their value, in terms of the latter two, but because the White Sox are not going to be very good in 2012 and can roll the dice on former prospects.
The real value of any Floyd deal is going to come from the lower minors. Drake Britton and Stolmy Pimentel, both on the 40-man and in the lower minors, likely won't appeal to Chicago given their recent struggles, but you never know: this is the team that just dealt for the struggling Simon Castro (5.63 ERA and a demotion to Double-A in 2011) in the Carlos Quentin deal. The White Sox have four open spots on their 40-man, so they have the room to take low-cost risks in bulk in addition to a real prospect or two, someone like Brandon Jacobs.
Floyd might end up being the deal that makes the most sense, as at least Boston can feel as if they are getting something in exchange for fixing this roster crunch, and Chicago is in a position to take chances with the former prospects and high-ceiling, low minors types that Boston seems flush with.
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Maybe we can use our phantom trade chip from the Cubs in the deal as well.
#Theo’s gotta be worth something…
You guys are really banging out some content lately.
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by cds7c on Jan 25, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Hey, thank you
We’ll be running more during the day from now on, in the hopes of having less slip through the cracks.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Was about to say the same thing.
Marc’s really doin’ some good stuff last two or three days.
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Agreed!
I’ve known about OTM for a few years, but I’ve just recently started coming on a daily basis…imho its the best place out there for Sox news, commentary, community, etc.
by The Laser Show on Jan 25, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Robert57
I’ve seen this name a number of times now…who is Mr. 57?
by The Laser Show on Jan 25, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
You can read his Fanpost "Dumb and Dumberer" on the right...
… and my apologies in advance for sending you there. It’s just easier to show you, than it is to explain.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
by AlohaSox on Jan 25, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On the plus side
you do get to see me tear him a new one.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think I made him cry, he hasn't been back since.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
The mods took all those comments down it looks like.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Awww
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
We WERE a little rough on him… But not, I don’t think, unwarrantedly so.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we said anything to him he didn't have coming.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
D&D
ha, OK I see.
I hope you guys are nicer to me on the FanPost I just made! (nah, feel free to be brutal…especially about my mention of RA Dickey as a trade target)
by The Laser Show on Jan 25, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
We'll be brutal
Only on the ideas. You’ve always been respectful (at least that I’ve seen) on here, so I’m sure any brutality about the ideas will be done in a likewise respectful fashion :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well
As long as you don’t repeatedly imply that everyone here is a mindless sheep when they disagree with your ideas you’ll be fine.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 25, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or continue to harp on the need for pieces we've filled already...
Honestly, with him calling for us to sign Madson after the Bailey trade… I was pulling my hair out.
That the latest piece advocates going to get Hanley Ramirez (and for all the talk of trading for a starting SS, I really hope that isn’t the move that’s in the works), while this team appears to be crunched on a budget…
I mean, I’ll disagree with a lot of folks in here (like, honestly, everyone that keeps saying Roy’s back is a concern, despite the fact that he pitched well when he came back from the injury and seems to have nearly no injury history due to pitching), but there are some points where it’s like talking to a wall.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Not to mention insisting that the Sox should outspend the Yankees...
… since Henry and Co. are clearly getting fat off this team’s profit margin.
I can’t imagine having one of the top 5 payrolls in the game, and complaining that our ownership isn’t spending enough. My friends that follow the A’s, the Padres, or the Royals would like a word with you…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Robert57 is the only guy on here
That regularly incites me to want to commit bloody physical violence on him…
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
You should have seen when Rogue went off on him
it was even more brutal than what I did.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think I read it
Can’t remember though. I suffer from CRS
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 26, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Totally...
Now, when I start my day here in Hawaii (hours behind the news cycle back East), I know to come to OTM first, and I’ll see anything relevant on the Sox… pretty much replaced Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com as my first stop for all things Red Sox.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Esp. if Heyman's tweet last night and the Sox
aren’t just looking at SPs, but also infielders. They will have to make some type of trade.
Couple of 40-man pitchers going to Chicago would make sense
Doubront – ready now or soon
Britton/Pimentel – projects with high upside
plus either Ranaudo or Brentz/Jacobs
I think Chicago would have to listen to that
Would much prefer dealing Jacobs than Brentz
Jacobs seems like much more of a prospect you dream on than Brentz. Could be as good as Brentz, definitely, but if you’ve got both and can only keep one…
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Jacobs is already in left, though, yeah?
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
We could DH Crawford...
… except, of course, the “H” would have to stand for something other than “hitter.”
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Dick Head
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
There ya go!
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Solid work right there, TLD...
Got a chuckle out of me.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
That's what I'm aiming for.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Or if we need something kid-friendly
You could also just go with “Doesn’t Hit”.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 25, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I though Brentz could actually play defense?
I’ve seen people speculating on him in right – but that might be more a “Miguel Cabrera back to third because he has ‘Gold Glove offense’” thing.
Per Sox Prospects:
Average speed. Plus arm and profiles as a major league right fielder. Improving with his routes and judgment on balls. Tends to pull his glove up early when charging balls.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I like Brentz a lot
His stock mostly dropped because of his struggles when he first used wooden bats, but it’s pretty clear he overcame that little deficiency.
I expect him to have some trouble eventually, a la Reddick, due to his aggressiveness, but if he can adjust he should turn out to be pretty good.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I hear that Brentz...
…is above average in right field with a good arm — not some slugger with no mobility.
by UltimateCranston on Jan 25, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is Sickels take
“Prototype right fielder, with power, strong arm, strikes out a lot, questionable plate discipline, error-prone. Could develop into Ryan Ludwick-type hitter, or he could fizzle in Triple-A”
Sounded sluggerish to me, but I probably read into too much
I always got the impression that he was
“hide-in-left-field defense with a right field arm” but I could be off
That's actually sort of what we want in Fenway's LF
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Very good point.
That truly is the prototypical LF in Fenway, a la Manny.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
If the White Sox need a "top end prospect" to save a bit of face
and be the centerpiece then I’d be o.k. with letting Ranaudo go, I think ultimately he’s going to end up finishing games and not starting them.
I have no issues dealing Ranaudo...
…but I think we’d be selling low on him. I don’t think he’s an impact player down the road. Would rather see him go than Jacobs, for instance.
by UltimateCranston on Jan 25, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I just think the White Sox are going to need some
top-end guy to hang their proverbial hat on and I picked Ranaudo out of that mix. I don’t think we are going to get Floyd for merely roster fodder but I could be wrong
Can't we try to sell them on Doubront instead of Ranaudo?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
But it's Kenny Williams?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I agree. My point was what Marc Pointed out.
If they sign Oswalt or Jackson and an INF, they’d have to DFA somebody. Whereas trading two or three pieces from the 40 man, and adding Floyd or another unknown pitcher at this point, would still allow them to get an INF without having to DFA somebody.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
there'd be no need for him, really
if Crawford was ready to start the season. Or if we had a shortstop so that Aviles could play OF every once in a while.
This just in
Ben Cherington DFAs Adrian Gonzalez, Cody Ross added to the 40 man roster.
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by Fromalabama on Jan 25, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
#gorillasuit
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Pity that Lackey and Matsuzaka can't be put on the 60-day until the season starts
They’re crippling the rotation, they’re crippling the budget, they’re crippling the roster.
Funny that there is actually a pitcher doing worse things for the Sox than Dice-K
At the very least Dice (regardless of how awful to watch his games were) offered some contractual value and has the ability to help out in 2012……..Lackey, well……
Totally missed that these two are holding 40 man roster spots...
… is that part of the reason we haven’t announced Oswalt yet? We need to get to Pitchers & Catchers reporting… wait, we need to get to Opening Day to put them on the DL?? Really?
That sucks.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'm beginning to think the reason we haven't announced Oswalt yet
is that he doesn’t want to come to Boston and is trying not to. He wants a one-year deal to build value for his next deal, and Boston, if you look at it one way (hitter’s park, steep divisional competition), is not a good place for a pitcher to build value. I’ve been cooling on Oswalt for this reason. The Red Sox are a tough place to be a pitcher. We need guys like Schilling who want to come here specifically for the challenge, and I’m thinking if Oswalt were that guy he’d be here already. Instead it looks like he’s trying to stay in the NL where it’s warm and cozy. I lose respect for guys like Lee who, though talented enough to compete anywhere, make special efforts to face weaker competition.
And just when I posted that
I heard the latest news the Sox have made an offer to Oswalt and he hasn’t responded.
The NL East isn't a slouch division.
I would argue it is more challenging than had he signed with the Rangers and went out and faced Oakland, Seattle and the Angels (before they had some of their bats step up last year). Overall, the NL is weaker in hitting for sure. But the NL Central had some big line-ups last year and while the NL West had weak line-ups, the AL Central weren’t killing the ball.
If the AL East is the big measuring stick for hitters, there wasn’t any real chance he was coming to this division. He entertained NYY, but I have a feeling it was leverage and that there was little to no chance of going to play for a fanbase that had thrown beer and spit at his wife a few months earlier. I gain respect for a guy who puts the interest of his family first. He thought he was going to get an extension with Philadelphia and spend the rest of his career there after Cleveland traded him.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 25, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
no, true, on the first point
but for a pitcher who’s been in the NL his whole career, he may not relish the idea of facing a DH for the first time on a one-year contract to rebuild value in a tough park to pitch in (it’s worth mentioning that over his career, he’s done a very good job supressing home runs considering the parks he’s pitched in)
I think Dalton was talking about Lee's choice of Philly over Texas, and the Yankees.
However, I do see your point about Oswalt.
I do believe that if he did well in Boston, he’d be able to get the deal he wants anywhere next offseason… then again, much like folks are talking about with Jackson, perhaps he doesn’t want to take any chances considering the potential pool he’d end up in for 2013’s class.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I was talking more about Lee
The notion that he went out of his way to face weaker competition. Lee went where his family wanted to go. He went to the team that he had initially thought was going to be team he retired with. He went to a hitter’s ballpark in a stronger division than going to Texas in a hitter’s ballpark in a weak division. And, he actually enjoys batting and takes it as a challenge to contribute and not just go up and put the bat on the shoulder for 3 strikes.
On your point, I’m sure Roy doesn’t love the idea of facing a DH, but I would also contend that not having to bat and (possibly) run the bases 2-3 times every outing would reduce the risk of tweaking his back. If he chose to stay in the NL, I would put more weight on him wanting to stay where he is familiar with the ballparks and alot of the hitters.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
You know, for all the talk that pitching in the NL is easier....
I’d like to point out that they also have to hit. The pitchers. They have to hit.
So, while the AL pitchers are sitting on the bench getting their game faces on…the NL pitchers are in the on-deck circle. It takes away from focus, I’d imagine.
Just throwin’ that out there.
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Fair enough... except that a lot of them like it.
Which actually might be another reason that Oswalt is trying to stay in the NL, from all appearances.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Sure...a lot of them like it, a lot of them don't...some are indifferent.
But as a basis of talent…I think it’s likely a wash.
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I know Lee and Hamels like it
I’ve never heard from Roy one way or another. As I mentioned above however, it is very likely to reduce the risk of hurting himself by not having to bat and run the bases. Since staying healthy is most likely his absolute top priority this season, I would hope Garber (I think thats the agents name) would stress that it might make up for the fact he has to face a DH 3-4 times a game instead of a pitcher 2-3 times and a PH 1, maybe twice a game.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I have to admit the idea that he called the Reds leans this way...
… though, trying to go to the Rangers doesn’t. Hitters ballpark, and you’re facing off against Pujols again (even if the two are familiar with each other).
Everything I’ve read and heard about Roy (had a friend that played for the Astros when they went to the World Series) suggest that he’s a gritty competitor, so I would have seen this as a Schilling like bulldog.
Of course, there isn’t the same history to chase here anymore either, having won twice in the last decade, and with a fan base and media that has ridiculous expectations… that could be a bit of a challenge too. Though, the flip side of the hitters’ park and steep divisional competition is the defense he’d have behind him, and the offense in his line up.
I don’t know… I’m not giving up yet.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Matt "The Spitter" Garza
My guess is that the Sox will wind up with Spitter Garza as part of a deal with the Cubs.
by Steve Saltonstall on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Sure, lets make the team more unlikable.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oh god...
… I just had a terrible vision of a future Red Sox rotation featuring Lackey, Padilla, Garza, Silva and – somehow – Dice-K.
The horror… the… horror…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh dude
You just made me spit orange soda on my computer screen.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
The Douche, The Drunk, The Camel, The Spaz and The Nibbler.
Like a Batman rogues gallery.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Course if I have to go into a back alley brawl
consisting of baseball players – that’s the group I’m taking
Possibly plus Ben Stiller as the Spanish Language News anchor
Tonight’s headline: the gutters run red with Cherington’s blood!
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not the group I'm taking
I just need Johnny Gomes and Kyle Farnsworth.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not enough comedy...
… too many possibly-getting-arrested-for-felony-murders. It’s like hanging with Ray Lewis.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Johnny Gomes, Kyle Farnsworth, Rick Porcello, and Kevin Millar
Oh, so much comedy.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bring Joe Morgan, Mitch Williams, Joe Magrane and Tim McCarver
then slip over to your side and enjoy the carnage
Coco Crisp seems good to me.
I remember him ducking that punch in the brawl with the Rays… he was a boxer when he was younger, right? Though… in the end, he didn’t get a good punch in there either.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Coco might be my #5 guy
Or maybe Miggy, he seems like he could tear someone in half.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Affeldt: "He said, ‘Do you want to fight?’ I said, ‘No, I don’t want to fight. What are you thinking, dude?’" Over, right? Nope. John Buck of the Royals remembers it thusly: "Affeldt looked at him wrong, or looked in his direction. Whatever he did, it made Kyle mad. He suplexed him."
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Hence the felony murder comment...
… Farnsworth’s a psycho.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
HA!
I wasnt sure whether to rec this comment or flag it.
by The Laser Show on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I just threw up a little in my mouth....
OK.. I’m a die hard Red Sox fan, but I don’t think I could watch that…
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
FLOYD.
FLOYD FLOYD FLOYD!
(To the tune of “Eye of the Tiger”)
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by Bloggy on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So awesome.
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Doubront?
Get him outta here. I have no use for that guy after he showed up fat and useless last year. You think we couldn’t have used that guy last year??? Scram, loser.
Then whatever pieces it takes to make this happen. If we can pull this all off and stay under the CBT, it’ll be a minor miracle.
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Iglesias would help that
His Major League contract counts towards the CBT
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome.
Doubront/Iglesias…that’s a great start.
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Add in Bard
let them perform The Great Experiment.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
But I LIKE Bard.
I just don’t like where they put him.
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I like Bard too
but if we can get a starter’s return for a reliever I think we should do it.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
If you think about it
If Doubront had had a healthy productive season last year, instead of being out of shape and incurring injuries, so many of the franchise’s problems would be fixed. They would have made the playoffs, the FO wouldn’t be crippled with confusion at the onset of the hot stove season, we wouldn’t be bending over backwards with Bard and finding another starter… Lackey remains the biggest problem, but it all could have been fixed by Doubront.
I wrote in the BP 2012 annual...
That it was probably unfair to say so, but you could construct an argument where September was basically Doubront’s fault.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
One of Kyle Weiland or Tim Wakefield wouldn't have been starting.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
If we win just two of their losses then even with the September Collapse we're in the playoffs.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
But that can be said for just about anybody on the team in September
The Sox were one out away from the playoffs, there is a shit ton of things that could have changed that.
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Including the April start of 0-6 and 2-11.
Crazy how we proved the math right there… starting that poorly does pretty much force you to miss the playoffs.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
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well, yeah
though a 7-20 September was worse than our 11-15 April.
I mean, really you can blame July if you want.
dammit! If only we'd gone 21-5 in July, we would've been in the playoffs!
Ha ha ha!
What a ridiculous season of highs and lows.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
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Maybe if Buchholz hadn't had his back explode
so we weren’t starting Miller and Weiland…
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Sack o crap.
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I agree with the "probably unfair"
because he’s a prospect, and his failings are not on the same level as those of veterans’ the same way you’d blame the adults and not the children. At the same time, I find the “you could construct an argument” part awfully tempting.
Yeah, exactly
It’s not that I would rally hard against Doubront as the cause of all of 2011’s problems, but he’s on the list of players who screwed up if you want to get all torch and pitchfork about it.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that's pretty unfair
you’re assuming that he wouldn’t have caught the Sox very contagious case of suck
I hope they kept in the "probably unfair" bit after editing
Or else I just sound like a jerk.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
heh I think it'd be a lot funnier
if they just changed the tone of it to make it sound like you were definitely blaming him for all the Sox problems.
I was actually thinking of writing this recently for a fanpost!
I started reviewing old articles about Doubront’s injury history on projo.com and weei.com and couldn’t bring myself to do it. I realize being mean on the internet is all the rage these days but I just didn’t have it in me.
This is why the September Collapse is slightly worse for the Sox than anyone else...
The margin between failure and success was so slender that you can really construct a legitimate argument for blaming anyone. Giving Sox fans that kind of license is… unfortunate…
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
See, this is where I am on this one...
I hate athletes that think they are so good, they are entitled and nothing screams entitled more than showing up to Spring Training, in a season where you should compete for a spot in the rotation for the Boston Red Sox, overweight and out of shape.
If you aren’t going to compete and earn it, I don’t want you on my team.
I love the gamers: guys like Youk and Tek that had to wait for their shot, Pedey that had to overcome everyone underestimating him, Pedro whipping that fastball out of his tiny little frame… the Wes Welkers/Danny Woodhead and even Tom Brady (considering he didn’t even start for his college team). Kevin Garnett escaping Minnesota and joining the Celtics for championship runs. The thing about guys like that is they know where they could be, and they always work hard to stay at the top when they get there.
This is also why I want Oswalt this offseason… he has a lot to prove. No ring despite a very good Major League career, no long term deal because of his first injury (non-baseball related). I think he’s pissed, and has a big chip on his shoulder. I think he’s the perfect pitcher for us in 2012.
So, for my money, dump Doubront if Kenny Williams sees the prospect still in there somewhere.
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by AlohaSox on Jan 25, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
YOu forgot one of our biggest cases of overcoming...
Look at what Lester has had to overcome to be where he is. THat being said, I totally agree, and that is, as you said, one of the biggest reasons I want Oswalt. Besides. Even injured last year, he still went out and gave it everything. I want guys that will do that. Just leave everything on the field and go from there!
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's another good one.
Brad Marchand, with the Bruins (or, for that matter Tim Thomas) would make the list… love the fiesty little rat.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
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Hell, I'm a Wings fan, and Thomas is currently my favorite NHL player.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Since when did Tom Brady...
…not start for his college team. He’s good enough without creating a false legend out of him. Sure, he was jerked around by Lloyd Carr with the whole Drew Henson thing, but he still threw 700 passes in last two years at Michigan.
by UltimateCranston on Jan 25, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hey!
If Jed Lowrie gets a false legend, then Tom Brady definitely gets a false legend.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I meant he wasn't #1 on the depth chart there, right?
He started some games, including a bowl game, but mostly due to injury for the preferred starting QB. Or am I remembering that story incorrectly?
Part of why he fell to the sixth round… he wasn’t good enough to be the “starter” at Michigan.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
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Yeah, he didn't start at all, right?
No, I was remembering some of the old stories about Brady coming out of no where when he took over for Bledsoe in 2001… felt like there were comments made then about him being a gamble even in the sixth round, due to the role he played in Michigan.
Either way… looks like I’ve got it mixed up somehow.
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Sox offer to Oswalt
1:33pm: The Red Sox made Oswalt an offer, but are unsure of his interest level, since he has yet to accept, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.
If he doesn't want to come,
it’s not going to get done. Similar to Bedard, who didn’t want to come here intially. But if he doesn’t come maybe this forces them to trade for Floyd.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Any bets on who goes if he accepts?
Bowden; Expo; DMac?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Totally misread the manifest content of that blurb...
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Got to be Expo
Bowden at least has a chance to pitch out of the pen. There are so many other catching options
Oh, interesting...
… as I look for guys to swap away, there’s no chance we get an NL team to take a chance on Expo’s glove behind the plate for some failed prospect type?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Didn't they take every catcher we decided we didn't want in 2011?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I think Oswalt is trying his best to find somewhere to land other than Boston
I don’t think he wants to come here.
I mean its a great sell
Cold weather, rabid fanbase that will make sure you know when you suck, media that will make sure you know when you suck, bat-crazy GM making all sorts of weird moves, team coming off September malaise, and you can’t even eat chicken or drink beer
Not to mention one of the most competitive divisions in baseball
And a smaller sized park perfectly suited for a pitcher trying to rebuild his value.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 25, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
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For example, I didn’t know we had no space on our 40 man roster… I thought we were still at like 38 or 39. This certainly does put moves in perspective.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely + 1
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 25, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Mortensen had options left...
…is that not right? Or is there some rule about using an option during the offseason?
by UltimateCranston on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it's different...
…to have options to be sent to the Minors than to be removed from the 40-man. I suspect the latter would open him up to the waiver wire while the former would enable him to be sent down to Pawtucket without going through waivers but staying on the 40-man.
That’s what I’m guessing based on the math.
by UltimateCranston on Jan 25, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no mystery DFA McDonald , Anderson, Tejeda to start with—-if someone picks them up —great-they might gert a chance to play.
Trade any combination of Britton, Jacobs, Brentz, Doubrount fo Chicago for Floyd—do not waste your time with Oswalt—he’s an DL waiting to happen.
I would say Wandy and Floyd I would consider.
Wandy could possibly be had even though he’s got a $10 M salary this year and $13 for next—-I think if we went with Bowden, Doubrount and maybe a third prospect they might eat over 1/2 of this years money bringing him down to perhaps fav Lux Tax status. The better the prospects the more money of his 2012 Houston pays.
A 3.96 ERA with 180 + innings that would be a good value especially considering Bowden and Doub are out of options—-use them or lose them.
Ben, if you can somehow do both you’ve got your starting five and space for added players.
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