The Potential Of The Platoons, And Why They Were The Answer
It's been an unusual offseason for the Boston Red Sox. Constrained by an unusually rigid financial situation, Ben Cherington has had to jump through hoops to make the smallest changes to the roster. More than anything, it's been a year where any new acquisition requires a significant sacrifice to be made. Most notably, in order to replace the departing Jonathan Papelbon and (presumably) shore up the starting rotation, the team has had to part ways with both their starting shortstop and starting right fielder.
While it's not generall advisable to sacrifice a starting position player for a reliever, the philosophy behind the moves is becoming clear as the 25-man roster approaches completion. Ben Cherington is betting the season on the platoon. In right field, at shortstop, and even behind the plate, the Sox have lined up players with some pretty heavy platoon splits on the cheap, hoping that when put together, they'll prove to be worth quite a bit more than their combined salaries.
Let's take a look at some of the numbers:
Right Field
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | BB | K | |
| Ryan Sweeney 2011 Vs. RHP: | 249 | .286 | .365 | .377 | 28 | 37 |
| Ryan Sweeney Career Vs. RHP: | 1319 | .296 | .352 | .402 | 106 | 169 |
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | BB | K | |
| Cody Ross 2011 Vs. LHP: | 110 | .234 | .336 | .362 | 14 | 23 |
| Cody Ross Career Vs. LHP: | 759 | .282 | .349 | .563 | 67 | 134 |
Shortstop
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | BB | K | |
| Nick Punto 2011 Vs. RHP: | 109 | ..281 | ..387 | .427 | 16 | 16 |
| Nick Punto Career Vs. RHP: | 2022 | 244 | .326 | .326 | 220 | 369 |
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | BB | K | |
| Mike Aviles 2011 Vs. LHP: | 93 | .318 | .348 | .576 | 4 | 11 |
| Mike Aviles Career Vs. LHP: | 416 | .299 | .344 | .470 | 27 | 46 |
Catcher
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | BB | K | |
| Jarrod Saltalamacchia 2011 Vs. RHP: | 263 | .247 | .304 | .481 | 17 | 87 |
| Jarrod Saltalamacchia Career Vs. RHP: | 833 | .265 | .331 | .441 | 70 | 251 |
| PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | BB | K | |
| Kelly Shoppach 2011 Vs. LHP: | 125 | .241 | .344 | .444 | 13 | 32 |
| Kelly Shoppach Career Vs. LHP: | 487 | .274 | .373 | .536 | 51 | 145 |
On the surfacce, it actually paints a fairly encouraging picture.
Last year, in right field, the Red Sox' right fielders contributed a .292 wOBA (.233/.302/.369) to the team. Even if we just look at their diminished 2011 seasons, Sweeney and Ross can be expected to outproduce that. Given their career numbers, they have the potential to do a lot more. They may not carry quite the same level of potential as Josh Reddick did on the whole, but so long as Sweeney doesn't cede too many plate appearances against righties to Cody Ross, who seems to be unfairly viewed as the marquee name in right, Sox fans shouldn't be missing him too terribly much come July.
Behind the plate the improvement is more obvious, since it's just a matter of switching Shoppach's ridiculous performance against lefties in for Varitek's. The losses are more centered in areas that are difficult to measure and possibly not terribly impactful, but then again it will be nice to have someone with an arm that won't tempt Vladimir Guerrero to take his chances on the basepaths, too.
The player who really sticks out like a sore thumb in all this is Nick Punto and his .652 OPS against righties. In fact, even Mike Aviles is better! Marc covered this particular platoon a couple days back, and as he pointed out the real draw with Punto is that he's got a decent glove at a tough position, especially compared to Aviles. In that piece, Marc suggests the possibility of a platoon based more on our pitcher than the opponent's. A player like Clay Buchholz who induces a lot of ground balls would bring a start for Punto, while someone like Josh Beckett would pull Aviles.
There are some issues, of course. For one, platoon splits require some pretty significant sample sizes before they can really be depended on. Of the players listed above, only Nick Punto has the sort of experience required. A player like Kelly Shoppach, with a massive 100 point platoon split in wOBA, isn't really likely to bring a .389 wOBA to the party even if he hits exclusively against lefties. On the whole, results should be diminished from what you would get simply by smashing the two players at each position together, with weights applied for the number of righties and lefties in the league.
Then there's the simple matter that we aren't going to be seeing a perfect implementation in all likelihood. How often is Bobby V. going to be willing to bring his backup catcher into the game in the seventh inning against a reliever? Is Cody Ross really going to take only about 25% of the starts in right field? That's another hit to the numbers. Some of this can be made up for by moving players like Sweeney (who so often goes opposite field) and Aviles to Fenway, of course.
On the whole, the platoons aren't likely to provide a perfect replacement to the players we lost. It won't be hard to improve on last year's right field output, but I find it hard to believe that Punto and Aviles will actually match Scutaro without Aviles putting on a show like he did in 2008 and 2010.
But the fact of the matter is that given the club's financial situation, there was no perfect answer, and finding one at all was quite the tall task. The question is not so much whether Punto and Aviles are as good as Marco Scutaro as it is if Punto and Aviles are closer to Marco Scutaro than a $1.5 million starter is to a Gavin Floyd or Roy Oswalt. For my money, the answer is clearly "yes".
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Excellent article, Ben
I’m not too worried about the platoons. They’re not exactly black holes in the lineup as some have suggested. That being said, if we don’t get a starting pitcher soon, it doesn’t matter if we have sluggers in 1 through 9. :)
Honestly
The Sox are probably fine if they don’t get another starter. But I (and everyone else I’m sure) would feel much better if they did get another.
Much better.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm confident in 1-3
Lester, Beckett and Buchholz should be their standard selves this year. Bard is a question mark as a starter. I’d love to have two more starters and shove Bard back in the ‘pen. I’m willing to give the experiment a shot, but… it’s just a little scary to me. I’m squirming a little here :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Bringing in a solid #4
Then seeing if Bard can be a 5th and otherwise falling back to the best of Cook/Silva/Padilla/Etc. until Dice is ready to return is not a very bad plan
Right
But we need the solid 4th was the point :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not confident in that
oh, they might pitch up to their standard talent, but out of the three one of them is guaranteed to get hurt.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I'm more in the Jackson or Floyd camp than Oswalt.
Having either of those guys this year, would be able to help mask one of our pitchers going down. Where if we signed Oswalt, we might have to replace two pitchers.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Except that it's not just Bard that's a question there...
Beckett has his own injury concerns, and for all the folks in here questioning whether Oswalt can come back from his back injury… Buchholz had a pretty serious back injury himself.
This is why it feels like we need at least one more starter… really, it’s only Lester and one of Beckett/Buchholz that’s likely to be their standard selves this year.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Things may pick up on the Starter market for the Sox.
Heyman’s reporting they made an offer to Oswalt, but are unsure of his interest of coming to Boston, because he has yet to accept. So this could be the development we have all been waiting for.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when being too lefty-heavy was going to be an issue?
lol
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 25, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Biggest discussions last offseason except for the Gonzo/CC trades
Seemed to be:
1 – Line-up will be too vulnerable against LHP
2 – We had the starting pitching depth to have a 6-man rotation
Neither ended up being the case. Fortunate on #1, not so much on #2
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 26, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
ACQUISITIONS ;)
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I mispoke in my original post on purpose.
Just so I could do my traditional “post and then do another post” right after.
Just for you.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
In light of all of the bad deals, lack of deals, etc
It’s always nice to look at something positive
Jonathan Papelbon – Phillies lose 31st overall pick to Red Sox, who also obtain a supplementary first rounder
and we are not paying the Dancing Fool 50 million over the next 4 years
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Those 3 platoons
look even better considering that, right behind them are Lavarnway, Kalish, Iglesias and even Middlebrooks getting ready to move up sometime in 2012. The better the platoons work, the longer these ‘prospects’ will have to hone their skills, even to 9/1. This process will give the FO an anticipated opportunity to decide who among the six platoon players will remains as bench and who will be traded or otherwise moved
Yep, only Punto has a g. contract for those guys in 2013
and he’s easily shifted to a utility guy on that roster.
Ben, you forgot the Crawford/Dmac platoon
now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go cry again.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
You know...
Punto’s career numbers against RHP don’t exactly look inspiring… a .326 slugging??
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Hope they play Punto
with pitchers who are more ground-ball guys and let Aviles take the majority. I doubt SS is a straight platoon like RF should be
Yeah, I'm hoping they see Aviles potential break out year coming in 2012...
… like Scutaro’s last year in Toronto.
Of course, if we go sign or trade for a starting SS, that all goes out the window.
Next question… is there any chance that the Scutaro move wasn’t just to add Ross in LF while Crawford misses all of April, and really is a smokescreen as we work out the deal with the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez?? I would hate that for so many reasons (even though I wish we’d never traded him back then)… not the least of it would be the gloating that a certain poster would do about being right on something…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
To liberally quote Rick Pitino:
“Hanley Ramirez aint walking through that door.”
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope not.
However… once we got Gonzo last year, I rejoiced because we secured the first baseman as the cornerstone of the future of our franchise, and clearly we would walk away from a big deal for Crawford.
How’d that work out?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I think if they were going to make a trade at this point.
It’d be clearly be for a SP. The cost of getting Hanley given the Marlins lack of star prospects would be extremely high.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Except that pesky rumor that we're looking for a starting SS...
I mean, I thought we were done looking for a closer when we got Melancon, and then suddenly, we’d traded Reddick for Bailey/Sweeney.
At that point, we still needed SP like we do now, and we didn’t “really” need a closer, yet… the deal for Bailey is what we got.
Mark my words… I see a deal for a SS before we trade for a starting pitcher… but maybe I’m just paranoid at this point.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Fair point. But getting Hanley would probably cost us about the same amount
as getting a high caliber pitcher.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 25, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
And that changes the concept how?
I mean, really… with what they’ve done so far…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Heyman tweeted last night
That the Sox prefer Jackson over Oswalt. Also that they deem the trades for SP to be way too high. So I doubt they would make a similar trade for a SS.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
And with no SP in the trade, that helps our rotation... how??
I mean, not saying you’re wrong because at this point, I’m all in on the conspiracy theories…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Speaking of which
wonder if Danks might actually be available, and they signed him to a friendly extension to extract more value out of a trade.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, so I imagine he gets moved next year.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
You know
If we hadn’t traded for Bailey/Sweeny, we could haved used that same money for Maholm.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes I do.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Burn Cherington in effigy?
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
Theo fucking hamstrung us
I’m almost certain it was intentional.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ooh, Idea!
Let Crawford bounce back this year, exercise Youk’s option, trade Youk for pitching and deal Crawford and some cash for Ryan Zimmerman
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 25, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
If this is so easy...
why doesn’t everyone do it? It honestly seems like MVP 2005, when you just sign Olmedo Saenz and you’re set. I don’t think real-life works this way.
I would love to see the numbers on recent real-life platoon situations, especially multi-year ones, that worked out.
Everything Must Go.
Ha ha ha!
The Rays say… check us out.
I mean, I haven’t done my homework, but I think the Rays have done this a while. Isn’t that why, on paper, they never look good enough to compete, and yet… somehow, they do??
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
They also have a voodoo medicine man in their medical staff
he’s got a row of dolls with various red sox players on them, all with needles in them
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 26, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions

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