Red Sox Sign Cody Ross
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 23, 2012 9:17 PM EST
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According to Ken Rosenthal, the Red Sox have signed outfielder Cody Ross.
The saga of Ross' free agency has come to a sudden head today, with the Mets dropping out of the race for the 31-year-old outfielder and the Sox emerging as the clear favorite. Now, it appears as though Ross will indeed be headed to Boston.
Mike Silverman says that the deal is for just one year, while Gordon Edes chips in with a figure of $3 million. It's a stiff pay cut for Ross, which seems about right given both Boston's situation and the current state of the market--the Mets were apparently not willing to go above $1 million.
Ross, a well-known masher of southpaws, will likely form a platoon with Ryan Sweeney in right field. A career .282/.349/.563 hitter against lefties, Ross' overall numbers are dragged down by a career spent in pitcher-friendly parks and an unhealthy diet of righties. A move to Fenway and a platoon with Ryan Sweeney could help him significantly, while his ability to not be completely useless against same-handed pitchers makes him a step up over the likes of Darnell McDonald.
The only question now is what the $3 million cost means for the Sox' quest for starting pitching? It seems unlikely that they would go to the lengths of trading their starting shortstop just to make an improvement to their platoon, and Edes says the Sox are still exploring all their options, so chances are we can just count this as a nice bonus when they eventually do fill the #4 spot.
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Saw this one coming, should have said something about it. I think we swoop in on Roy Oswalt within the next 24-48 hours (hopefully).
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Pitching under 180 innings for the first time in a decade doesn’t exactly make him an assured season-long injury. It’s a big concern but to just assume it is going to happen is silly.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
yeah clearly he's spent his entire career injured
can’t ever stay off the DL. You can’t just avoid everyone who’s ever had an injury.
Reserving judgement until the dust settles at this point.
Seems like the Sox have moved around sideways a lot this offseason.
Nice piece
But certainly hope/expect this to be followed up with another move for a starting pitcher
OMFG SIGN STARTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Opening Day is not tomorrow
They will likely sign or trade for a starter soon.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Have to think we're looking at a trade now right?
I mean, all these moves seem to be indicators that they are NOT going over the tax line, and latest calculations only had us a few million away after Scoot trade and before this signing.
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Definitely could go that way
They could get about the same luxury tax value between Floyd and Ross as you could with Scutaro. Almost.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's right
there was a small bit of room to spare prior to trading Scutaro, so Floyd+Ross could come in right around that amont
A little over a million, I thought
Because of the extra cap hit Scutaro’s deal included. Speier said Scutaro’s 2012 was actually $7.67 million due to the oddity of his deal.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd
Not to nitpick, but I think Floyd is $3.875M, right (15.5M / 4 yrs)? So if Ross is indeed $3M, those 2 will be just under $1M less than Scutaro.
by The Laser Show on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well that's pretty good.
I can’t imagine anybody would rather have Scutaro than Floyd+Ross
Just mentioned on Twitter
(As did Tim Britton and Chris Mellen) that this probably means Floyd. Which is fine by me, as you folks know.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I’m assuming that the starter comes soon, because they can’t seriously think that Eye-Roll followed by Terrible Pitcher Medley are legitimate options at the fourth and fifth spots.
Errrr… Can they?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
everything else aside I thin $3MM is too high for Ross
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't know what year you are in
But nowadays where untility infielders like Jerry Hariston Jr can get 2 years, $6 million…this deal is very nice.
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Except in context
Where it makes no sense.
Good moves in a bad context are no longer good.
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exactly
it’s coming in the context of a Scutaro trade that at least seemed to suggest these marginal dollars were precious to the Sox.
Lots of things can be good value in the abstract but nevertheless represent suboptimal usage of finite resources.
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
suboptimal usage of finite resources
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Oh absolutely!
John Lackey: Boston hates you
In fact, I'll take it a step further:
Incompetent depletion of finite resources.
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The Boston Red Sox business model: Incompetent depletion of finite resources.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
Scutaro for Ross is a bad move
Scutaro for Ross + 4th starter is a great move.
Let’s wait until the whole situation plays out before we whine about something else.
I have been vocally against the Owners and their cheap ways this offseason, but take a step back for a second.
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If you take a step back
The awful mural that is our offseason just becomes a terrible big ass painting, I still don’t want to look at it, but you didn’t order me to turn around, a step back didn’t make it look prettier though.
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I don't quite understand this post...
… but for some reason it makes me think of the movie Event Horizon, with the role of Ben Cherington played by nude, fileted Sam Neil.
Do you see? DO YOU SEE?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ross.
Is an injury plagued season removed from being a 2 win (fWAR) player. He can play all three OF positions without embarrassing himself. Brings a strong platoon bat into the lineup when facing lefties.
Versus righties, not so great. But he’s not poor enough to offset the aforementioned.
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these are all very good observations
I just don’t think “… and therefore the Sox should sign him for $3MM” should be appended to them.
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alright. Sure.
Your original indicated to me that he wasn’t “worth” $3MM as opposed to “the Red Sox shouldn’t sign him for $3MM.”
I still disagree, but there’s more room for disagreement there.
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Fair price, but
I’d assume Roy Oswalt is off. By my calculations (which might be entirely wrong) the Sox now have about 5-6 million left to spend. Maybe Oswalt takes this, but maybe not.
If Floyd becomes the only option, even Kenny Williams will recognize that he has a strong negotiating position and can demand a great return for Floyd.
But I can say one thing for sure: Ross + Aviles < DMac/Lin + Scutaro.
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Have to assume Crawford surgery prompted this move
I haven’t crunched numbers, but Ross can fill Crawford’s place easily for the short term, and this cheap platoon with Sweeney is brilliant.
As everyone seems to be saying though, if Roy signs elsewhere, this plan could look like a bust. Trading for Floyd is still an option, but Boston needs to keep some depth here.
Rays are still a trade option easily forgotten. Not saying I have answers, but Tampa Bay has 8 starting pitchers.
by d.russ on Jan 23, 2012 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But Oswalt may not fit into the budget at this point.
Then, as I said, the White Sox can demand a king’s ransom because the FA/Trade markets are essentially dry for the Red Sox. TB wouldn’t trade with Boston, as it would greatly hurt their own division chances.
Basically, the order in which we did things may have ended up screwing us.
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Maybe, but
The White Sox want to move Floyd as much as Boston wants him. They are real short on prospects, and haven’t had much luck finding a fit all winter.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
But their negotiating position will allow them to demad so much for Floyd.
They will have a nice choice of prospects if they so choose. Even if they don’t ship him now, the market for him mid-season would likely still be good. The Sox (the red ones) are much more desperate for starting pitching, and Floyd may literally be the only one to fit their plan. Maybe I’m overestimating Kenny Williams, but any rational GM would realize the return he could get from the Red Sox at this point.
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any rational GM
Kenny Williams is many things. Sometimes genius, sometimes lunatic. But never rational.
And I wonder how he reacts to his son blowing the NFC championship game for the 49ers
“hey Kenny, your son fumbles. Can we have Floyd?”
Was that really his son?
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this more than anything
is why I think the Floyd trade is a fit for the Sox. Sure, there’s the salary, sure there’s the White Sox need for prospects. But #1 is the fact that Kenny Williams is the GM and this may present a reasonable trade opportunity for the Sox.
If this was Kenny Williams (2005) I might say Floyd is too expensive in terms of prospects to be worth trading for.
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have to agree, the order here is really screwy
It could be that a. Oswalt said no, or b. deal with Oswalt already pending physical and signed, and we just heard about Ross first?
Also, I bet Sox could gut TB for two pitchers for Lavarnway. Not saying sox want to do that, but it’s very possible
I don't think so
TB is a division rival. Any trade to us would have to be an overpay compared to other teams. There would be no gutting of TB. Lavarnway’s future as an actual catcher is still undecided at this point, so it would likely take more than him just to get ONE of their Major League ready starters and that’s all we would really be interested in.
Tampa needs offense in theory and has a surplus of pitching, but sending it within the division would be counterproductive unless they were getting an absolutely awesome offer.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Cody ross is the nicest MLB player - check out these videos of him with fans
http://dwizzlesworld.blogspot.com/2010/11/san-francisco-giants-cody-ross-at-macys.html
This was after he won MVP of World Series. Red Sox fans will love him. Lefty bat and power
You mean righty bat?
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The Franchise
I watched the Showtime series “The Franchise” this past season (pretty awesome show btw), which was focused on SF. Ross definitely came across as a very down-to-earth & likeable player.
by The Laser Show on Jan 23, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Edgar Renteria...
…was World Series MVP that season. Ross might have been LCS MVP.
by UltimateCranston on Jan 24, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yup. I think you're right. LCS.
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Luxury Tax for 2013.
I think this is really about getting under the luxury tax, which would mean paying 17% on next year’s overage instead of 42%. If not getting Oswalt this year means we can get Greinke next year, I’m all for that.
This is a 90-win team that, with some tweaks at the edges and better health, is a contender for the division and the favorite for a wild card spot. These moves could be about “settling” for a 93-win team on paper in return for getting a true ace next year.
by abbreviatedman on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM EST reply actions
They say that about Grienke's transition from KC to MIL?
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
???????
No comprende. The only pressure cookers in Milwaukee involve sausage.
Everything Must Go.
by Sean O on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Posnanski wrote a really long article addressing the criticism that Grienke could not handle pressure
he disagreed of course, but he was writing in response to many who didn’t
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I read it
But there is more baggage for Greinke, and a questionable track record, which would make me seriously leery. Especially coming off of the Crawford Disaster.
Everything Must Go.
I'd go Brandon McCarthy.
He won’t be cheap, but he is a very good pitcher, and he appears to be very undervalued at the moment.
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If you wish to equate MIL with the AL East
By all means continue… but I’m not sure many would agree.
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I don't
I wish to equate statements that Greinke can’t deal with increased pressure with statements that Greinke can’t deal with increased pressure.
It’s not proof-positive he would be A-OK in the AL East, I don’t think anything is. It’s just something to keep in mind.
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't remember that being said once.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
“The other factor to consider in any trade for Greinke was his mental makeup. Greinke’s well-documented battles with social anxiety disorder and depression caused many to speculate he wouldn’t be able to handle pitching in a large market, like New York, or for a contending team.”
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks
Surprised to see Milwaukee labeled as a high pressure place even on a potential contender.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 23, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
This.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
That's
what’s known as armchair psychiatry, right there.
We have no idea whether Greinke’s anxiety would cause problems in Boston. It’s easy to point to people who have failed in Boston and call it “east coast pressure”, but it’s far simpler and cleaner (very Occam) to posit that they failed because they had a poor year or were hurting.
Greinke meets the park’s requirements (RH GB pitcher) much better than Hamels or Cain, and I care about that fit a lot more than “can he handle the Boston spotlight,” which is always overblown, in my opinion.
by abbreviatedman on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
So is assuming why that's the only reason he would fail
He has been a good, not a great pitcher, but will command great pitcher money. Meanwhile, he has an anxiety disorder, which does not just up and go away, even with treatment.
There are many red flags, so I want nothing to do with him.
Everything Must Go.
If you think Greinke has only been good, not great
then your definition of “great” is “HOF”.
Top Ten in Pitcher WAR the last three years:
Halladay 22.2
Verlander 21.7
Lee 20.5
Sabathia 18.8
Hernandez 18.5
Greinke 18.4
Lincecum 17.3
Haren 16,8
Jimenez 15.8
Lester 15.8
by abbreviatedman on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
fWAR, rWAR
Not to devalue Greinke at all, but while FIP is currently the most accurate ERA estimator (short of xFIP), it’s not reality.
Reality lies somewhere between ERA and FIP. While one metric places him 6th, the other finds him 14th over the period.
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I'm a big believer in FIP.
ERA measures the runs someone gives up in reality (well, sort of… it doesn’t count unearned runs, which are seriously convoluted), but it ignores team defense, ballpark effects, and the help (or hurt) given by the team’s bullpen. Those are things that happen in reality too, and they affect ERA while having nothing whatsoever to do with the pitcher’s quality.
If you want to say he’s been somewhere between the 6th best and 14th best over the last three years, though, that’s good enough for me!
by abbreviatedman on Jan 23, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think any Top 15 pitcher in baseball across both leagues should be considered pretty "great" though
That’s just my opinion of course.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Not pitching in front of Yuniesky...
…will likely help Greinke’s FIP and ERA come closer together.
by UltimateCranston on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure I would look at WAR
probably more interested in ERA+
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 24, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Umm. No?
ERA+ over the three year period tells us less than WAR.
Can you explain why you think it’s more appropriate?
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What am I missing here?
We are going over the cap this year but cutting payroll to remain under in 2013? What stops us from signing a 8mil one yr deal thats off the books next year? I feel stupid but im missing it.
If we go over the cap this year we pay 40 something percent tax the next
and the free agent class for that year is very promising. So we are definetly going over the tax next year, but we dont want to pay 40 somthing percent tax when we can pay just 17%
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
50, I believe.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, it goes 17.5, 30, 40, then 50
for the four consecutive years in which we hypothetically go over the luxury tax.
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Ok, I stupidly assumed
that it was the AAV of they current year dictated the tax without looking. but didn’t someone say that we are going over with arbitration salaries anyhow?
Highly unlikely
Pre-Scutaro trade, the Sox likely had anywhere from 1 to 2 million to work with, depending on arb cases. We unloaded Scutaro’s 6 mil plus a cap hit of about 1.5, so we unloaded 7.5 there (weird clause, I know). Then, we signed Ross for 3, so by my math we are sitting at around 5.5 to 6.5 million dollars.
My concern is that Oswalt may not want that, unless there were HEAVY incentives on it, which will make us desperate for Floyd, which even Kenny Williams will understand. I’d guess we overpay for Floyd and give up one of the top 3 prospects (Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Lavarnway) as a centerpiece.
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I think he's above average
but not worth one of the top tier.
I'd say it all hinges on Papi
which means they have to make up their minds about how much they care before arb hearings. Probably, if they win the case, they have an extra couple million, and if he wins, we’re already over by a decent bit.
And if we're over
throw money at Oswalt and anyone else, @#$%.
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Hey, Rosenthal today said Edwin Jackson might have to take a 1-year deal
That’d be another option
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
If we are over the LuxTax
sign ’em both.
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Here's what I would try to offer if we're worried about the luxury tax for Jackson
offer him a 3 year, $20 million dollar deal that pays him $8 million this year, $8 million next year, and $4 million the year after that, but let him opt out after either of the first two years. it would keep his luxury tax cost very low and there’s a decent chance he wouldn’t opt out after year 1 because next year’s pitching market is so strong.
I don’t know what people are offering moneywise, but that sounds like a plan that would be very beneficial for both sides.
Oswalt is a better pitcher, but I really think that Jackson is undervalued and would be a great asset.
I'm pretty desperate for warm bodies.
I’m convinced.
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If we're over, sign both ...
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 24, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah!
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Papi
submitted 16+ for his aritration case. While I think that is too high the Red Sox were way low with what they offered. I read somewhere if it goes to the arb board/panel the outcome will be one of those two numbers. That would be an extra 3m than what everyone is figuring on him making. Thus an extra 3m towards the tax. I kow we have settled with everyone for years before it went to arb panel but Papi could well hold out and win this one.
by ThoughtsAndSox on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
well I think most estimates were saying $14-$15 million
it’ll be an interesting case, and I DO think it’ll go to arbitration. I think that both sides submitted awful numbers, but ultimately, I think the Sox can make a much stronger case for a 36-year old DH to get a small raise rather than a freakin 32% one.
Does anybody know
which side the arb panel sides with more?
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I think it tends to be about 50-50
there’s not one particular arbitration panel and different teams and agents are differently good at making arguments. If I recall, in the last two years, it’s been 2-1 players, but I really think it’s situation dependent.
So at least we know that Cherington isn't retarded.
He’s patched up right field pretty well.
...which was a needle prick
Compared to the massive knife gouge in our side our rotation is that the “doctor” in this situation has so far been able to ignore doing anything substantial about besides hand us a couple aspirin. and crossing his fingers.
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Like I said
A needle prick against the knife wound that is the hole in our rotation. The offense made due just fine with Reddick, the rotation will not make due as it stands right now.
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I doubt there's a soul from here to Alaska who knows that if we don't sign a starter
Then the offseason was a failure and the team is in trouble.
I liked Reddick.
But Bailey could be a dominating reliever for us, something we happen to have lost just now. He’s a higher upside player than Reddick. So now we have a decent looking RF and some good relief pitching.
Remember 2010? Having a shitty bullpen is a NIGHTMARE.
We wouldn't expect a shitty bullpen anchored by Bard and Melancon either.
And a bullpen can only be as good as the rotation they back, even Mariano Rivera would be a waste at $5M with the rotation the way it’s configured and I’m not exactly sold that there will be any further additions to it.
And currently, I’m not even sure, all things considered that we’ve actually improved RF in a cost effective manner either. Reddick was $400K and with his defense considered was probably at least a 3 WAR player over a season and he was replaced by two players, Ross and Sweeney who were combined to be worth 1 WAR last season, and 3.2 the year before and with a total cost of $4.75M, $4.35M more than Reddick would have cost and maybe they will be worth 1 WAR more, maybe. As I’ve said, I think he’s just moving dirt around.
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Of course,
I won’t support the Ross signing at all if we don’t get another starter.
So, we just all going to ignore
How awful Ross was against lefties last year? And hopefully somebody will realize this is not a strong platoon in RF.
Everything Must Go.
94 PAs
is not in the slightest bit predictive.
by abbreviatedman on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
You know the new Sox rule...
… the “small” in small sample size now stands for “small help to my argument.”
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
but he had a .357 OBP in his last 84 PA
by dennet on Jan 24, 2012 8:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm generally not pleased with his OBP over the career
Even understanding it’s better against lefties.
And when we’re bringing someone in (theoretically) solely to hit lefties, it would be nice if he had done so well in the last season.
Everything Must Go.
I really think he is going to look effective
and it may be a product of Fenway, but should work for us.
or the career .349 against lefties?
look, if you want to not like the signing, there are plenty of stats to justify either liking or not liking someone. His career .323 OBP isn’t predictive of anything if he’s primarily used as a platoon player- which he hasn’t been in the past.
He's a very particular type of player
generally low BA, relatively low OBP even though he walks, and some pop. I think it’s a curious move, but I think there are some reasons to be a little leery.
My guess is we won’t even notice he’s there when the season hits, which I guess is fine.
Everything Must Go.
yeah, definitely, I don't think he's going to seem like a huge cog in the team
except maybe on NESN or whatever, because reporters/media love him. But yeah, I doubt he’ll contribute a ton playing-wise; he’s basically a complementary role player who can play every day if we’re desperate and be better than, say, Daniel Nava. And this is definitely stupid if it precludes us from improving the rotation. I’d just like to think that a room full of people who spend their lives in baseball wouldn’t make this move if that were the case.
They probably prefer Floyd to Oswalt.
Younger, under control longer at a lower price, healthier.
Sounds good, but
I would have liked them to get a SP or a SS before depth in the outfield. Crawford must have been a reason for this.
by EchoDanno on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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I am merely holding my breath.
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I hope not literally
I wouldn’t want you to pass out, since this is the team we’re going into the season with.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 24, 2012 7:19 AM EST up reply actions
oh please
there’s not even a remote reason to believe that. I understand a lot of the negativity, but that’s just being negative for the sake of being negative. All reports are that they’re still working hard on pitching.
We'll see
We’ve been “working hard on pitching” since November with nothing to show for it except Aaron Cook and Vicente Padilla
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they're pitchers
Maybe next time we should be more specific besides “Better than Lackey in 2011”
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
John Lackey has a case to be the best pitcher in baseball in 2012
after all, he’s got a 0 ERA
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Still...
… even a week is a long time to hold your breath. It you end up with brain damage, you’ll have to start posting on DRays Bay or something.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 24, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Wuh......buh........
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