Red Sox Having "Ongoing Dialogue" With Cody Ross
by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 4:05 PM EST
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With Mike Aviles likely part of a shared arrangement at shortstop in a post-Marco Scutaro world, the Red Sox could use another lefty-masher in the outfield for depth and platoon purposes. Throw Carl Crawford's wrist surgery and the question marks surrounding Ryan Kalish's health in there, and that need is magnified further.
Enter Cody Ross, whose name basically vanished from the rumor mill after much suspected initial interest from various teams early on. According to Jerry Crasnick, the Red Sox are having an "ongoing dialogue" with Ross, but there is "nothing to report yet." That makes it sound as if nothing is close, but given the trade activity of the weekend and the money opened up by dealing Marco Scutaro, it's not a surprise to see Boston talking to someone about their outfield situation.
Crasnick also mentions that the Mets are interested in Ross, but as they already snagged the sworn enemy of left-handed pitchers everywhere in Scott Hairston, their financial limitations might keep them from nabbing the superfluous Ross.
Ross's overall numbers from the last few years aren't all that impressive -- .261/.323/.432 in 1,634 plate appearances -- but two things have kept him from his true potential. For one, he's spent his career in pitcher's parks -- that line above is actually good for a 101 OPS+. The second item is the amount of time he has spent facing right-handed pitchers, despite a severe platoon split that limits his value. Ross hits like a middle infielder against righties (.253/.313/.414) but like an All-Star against southpaws (.282/.349/.563). In 1,924 career plate appearances against righties, Ross has 166 extra-base hits, while against lefties, he has smacked 97 in just 759 trips to the plate. And, for emphasis, all the while making his home in pitcher-friendly confines.
For the right, late-January price, someone with Ross's skill-set has value to a team in Boston's position. He would give the Red Sox a full five outfielders in the majors, leaving Aviles alone to work at shortstop alongside Punto, and also back up Kevin Youkilis when necessary at third. Combine Ross with that last starting pitcher, and the Sox all of a sudden look like they squeezed more out of that Scutaro deal than just a pitcher with an option available.
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When can we call Cherington a total bust again?
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Mad that he's using the money he got from dealing Scutaro to sign a 4th outfielder
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't signed him yet.
So he really hasn’t used the money,
by aubatron2011 on Jan 23, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
He asked when.
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But he also said Cherington is using the money to sign Ross instead of a #4 starter.
Which hasn’t happened yet. If he does, than I think we’ll all be pissed and deservedly so.
by aubatron2011 on Jan 23, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough.
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Pending how much of that money goes there...
… and while we’re at it, can’t we free up a little more by getting Big Papi off that $16 million he’s asked for in arbitration with a two year deal and better AAV?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
As great as Papi is,
maybe its better to go year to year with him. He gets more money, has high motivation, and we aren’t locked into a deal.
especially because this is the last time we'll have the whole offering arbitration thing
starting next year, it’ll just be a qualifying offer, which is lower.
I feel like Papi's going to be there in 2013...
… so let’s offer him 2/$24 million, save the $4 million against this year’s cap and anticpate paying him $12 million in 2013.
His results the last three years have all been solid, despite poor starts in 2009 and 2010. In 2011, his approach at the plate seems to have changed, and some attributed it to some suggestions from Adrian Gonzalez… if that’s true, then not only was 2011 the best of the last three years, but could indicate another strong 2012.
If we end up paying him $16 million for 2012, and then make a qualifying offer (at least $12.5 million is required, right?), there’s no guarantee after four straight solid years, the last two being among his best recent work, that someone doesn’t sign him away from us, or we shell out more than $28 million over two years.
So, perhaps for the money saved this year, and the recognition of what he brings to the table, not to mention from his perspective, the guarantee for the next two years, 2/$24 or 2/$25 is worth avoiding paying him $16 million in 2012. Especially considering where our payroll is, and our reluctance to sign what we actually need… a SP.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
you'd be upset if we signed Ross and Oswalt?
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by beantownboy171 on Jan 23, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think the idea is that there's only room in the budget for one
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
man, I think Ross would be a great addition to the team
but if they signed Ross and not Oswalt/some other good pitcher, I’ll be freakin livid
No doubt.
Funny, earlier this morning, I was mostly worried that this was the actual last move we were making… dumping Scutaro’s salary and staying under the luxury tax.
Now I’m worried we’re going to spend more money filling a hole Ben created (Aviles becoming SS/Util IF instead of backing up RF) and prevent us from spending enough money on SP.
When will it end??
(As soon as Jackson/Oswalt are signed, and the White Sox have either traded or not traded Floyd… if we don’t get at least one of them, I’ll be seriously pissed.)
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
And if they sign both?
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think the idea is that there's only room in the budget for one
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I wonder
Given the late date and the lack of teams showing interest in Ross, I would expect him to be pretty cheap. We don’t know how much money was left before Scutaro was dealt — except that it wasn’t enough to get Oswalt on its own. So there could now be money for both of them. I hope.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
If we have enough money for two guys
I want Oswalt and Floyd. Floyd’s only a 3.75 cap hit.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd's cap hit is $3.75M
But he will cost them in prospects, so it’s not a direct comparison.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
So trade prospects that cost a lot of money
Like, I dunno, Iglesias. While he still has value.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Easier said than done
We have no idea how Kenny Williams values our prospects. He’s a crazy mofo, he was apparently asking for a ton for Danks, then decided to extend him instead. He could be asking for a lot for Floyd as well.
Signing a cheap platoon OFer is a whole lot different than trading for an average SP.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
True... but I'd rather they did this than signed Cody Ross.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Which begs the question...
… what’s the going rate for a Gavin Floyd? The conjecture I’ve seen is Doubront, Jacobs, plus. Because of my childish and unreflective love of all Sox prospects, I’m not in love with giving up Brandon Jacobs. What would an alternative package look like, do you think?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Doubront, Iglesias and Lars package.
But none of us really think Kenny Williams is that dumb.
Of course, since he likes low A guys with a lot of upside, I’m in favor of a Doubront and “lottery tickets” approach. Might work??
And, in an almost completely unrelated note… did anyone else catch that the punt returner for the 49ers that muffed one and fumbled another, for 10 points and the game winning field goal in OT is Kenny Williams’ son?? Small world.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
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Everything Must Go.
Basically that entire outfield.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Has he hired Tony Reagins as his assistant GM yet?
At that point, we might be able to deal them Crawford for Floyd straight up, and not pay any salary at all.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
might as well accept that Bard is going to be given a chance to start
for good or bad. So let’s just hope that Aaron Cook is healthy.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well then to answer your question
We can officially deem Cherington a bust when we aren’t working off of a hypothetical.
Tom Brady > Ryan Mallett > Brian Hoyer > Mark Sanchez
by beantownboy171 on Jan 23, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
But we don't actually know that..
Tom Brady > Ryan Mallett > Brian Hoyer > Mark Sanchez
by beantownboy171 on Jan 23, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
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Finally found a place to make this.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
No
It would still be true.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
How much money did Marco Scutaro make?
Ok
Now subtract from that number the salary given to Cody Ross.
Is that number > 0?
If so then the text is just your creative interpretation of the facts.
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by beantownboy171 on Jan 23, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he being paid with money that we saved from trading Scutaro, yes or no?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Would be olay with Oswaltor Floyd
and Ross.
Bye DMac if thats the case.
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With Aviles out of the OF picture
DMac is fully within it. Crawford/Ells/Sweeney/Ross/DMac, we sort of have to carry 5 OF I think.
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I would rather have a Bill Hall type
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You mean like Mike Aviles?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
As long as he doesn't say "Bill Hall Type" again...
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
He was terrible...
and yet he was one of the greatest bench players we’ve ever had.
Plus
He looked like Don Cheadle
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Well, I don't hate him as much as some folks around here...
… but I recognized the sentiment of Rogue/TLD.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I never really hated him
Not like I hate Crawford.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
he was important for that team
but it wasn’t a playoff game. He was frustrating. Could do everything badly (though he had a ton of Fenway Power)
I liked him earlier in his career with the Brewers... good fantasy baseball player.
Lots of pop, unexpectedly.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Bill Hall also implies, poorly.
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Exactly.
The next move better be a SP… if we sign depth because of a hole we created before we sign a SP to fill a hole that’s existed since September… that’s not the right order of things.
I know, we were supposed to be patient… at this point, I feel like were going to get to Pitchers and Catchers reporting with the folks saying we just need to be patient, there’s still time to do something.
Well, sure there is… I just don’t see the evidence that we’re actually doing something.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I feel we're gonna go to Pitchers and Catchers...
without pitchers.
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I'm starting to think that myself.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
yeah. Circumstances can dictate your actions to an extent
so you might want to start out getting pitching, but find that peripheral needs fall into place beforehand. Things shake out that way sometimes.
But I don’t think Cherington is so completely helpless to fate that he really had to go this long without getting a pitcher.
by dennet on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not like there haven't been options.
It’s that we haven’t made the move for any of them.
I wouldn’t be screaming if we’d signed Maholm for what the Cubs offered. Or managed to keep Bedard around. Or spent $10 million on Kuroda.
I mean, as long as we get Oswalt/Jackson, or trade for Floyd or someone similar, there’s still time. I’m just not sure our front office really sees it as a need. I think they may believe that Bard is our #4, and Padilla/Cook/Wilson/Doubront or one of the other depth signings will be the #5.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I wonder if the Red Sox are having "ongoing dialogue" with Cody Ross...
about Roy Oswalt!! Maybe Cody is a good conversationalist….
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Yes, that was a funny!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
from Adam Rubin:
>https://twitter.com/#!/AdamRubinESPN/status/161576678542409729
Sounds like Cody Ross probably ends up with the #RedSox. Don’t think #Mets wanted to spend > $1 million. And they really need a lefty OF bat
If we can get him for like $1.5 million, that’s just awesome
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
$1.5 million sure... remind me what we settled with Salty for in arbitration??
Ross isn’t worth that much??
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Ross is going to get 3-4 million I have to think
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Ugh
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
maybe like 2 years 8 million
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think that second one was just to get you worked up.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I know
That’s why I replied that way.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
x
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
what makes you say that?
reportedly, the Sox and Mets were the ones in on him and the Mets wouldn’t go over $1 million
It's a typical red sox overpay
2 million this year, 6 next to save on aav
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ignore that, it does not work that way
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Just so we’re clear selling my car and buying a pack of gum after, means I sold my car to get gum?
by Mega Nick on Jan 23, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That shows you have a better grasp on logic, that someone saying signing Ross means we traded Scutaro to sign Ross. Cherington’s not possibly be that dumb.
by Mega Nick on Jan 23, 2012 7:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope not, guess we will know soon enough
Really would prefer Floyd
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I guess the thought process is we dumped Scoot for salary to make additions without exceding a budget
If the move is Ross and nothing else, why not just keep Scoot?
right, but you have an "if" in there
there’s a difference between “if we sign Ross and no pitchers, Cherington is an idiot” and “If we sign Ross, Cherington is an idio”
Use the reply button.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Mega Nick
ONE. BIG. NICK.
Time to switch to Gillette Fusion.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I find that ominous somehow
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't cut myself in over a year.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not, my razor is for shaving only
I have an entirely separate murderin’ knife.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Like, for favorite recipes?
Gardening tips? Funny jokes? Surely not to be our outfielder.
Everything Must Go.
All 3 pitchers and our catchers report in a month
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by gizmosandy on Jan 23, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
new offseason plan-
each of our 3 pitchers has their own catcher.
by wolf9309 on Jan 23, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HA HA HA!
Okay, this one gets a rec.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Come on guys, we've got a lot of pitchers.
We’re gonna run with 9 position players and 16 relievers.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Who needs a 5 man rotation
Each pitcher throws a complete game twice a month.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Once more
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't it really 5th?
Crawford, Ells, Sweeney and McDonald… Ross is #5.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I have to imagine Ross is #4 on the depth chart.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe a tie at #3 between Sweeney and Ross
Ross has more power and crushes lefties. Sweeney hits righties a bit better and is the better defender.
If we had pitchers
I’d like this signing. Ross and Sweeney provide for a decent platoon opportunity.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Since I would assume Sweeny is in against righties
that would make him #3, just because there are more righties in the league
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Right, I figured that's what you meant.
I was simply pointing out he becomes our fifth OF on the roster.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
By Boston?
With no corresponding Oswalt signing??
BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH OMFG SIGN STARTERS!!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Clearly you don't understand
Padilla and Bard are awesome starters, Ben Cherington is so much smarter than you are.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
This season
Unless you want to write him off before a single moment of actual baseball has been played
Already have
I know he’s in a tough spot, but I refuse to see how any move we’ve made makes sense in context.
Everything Must Go.
That's your right
But I think it’s stupid to judge him before seeing how his team (mostly Theo’s team) plays
He's got to prove it then.
I’d be willing to bet any of the regulars here could pull off a better offseason than Cherington just did.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Even if he's not
unless he pulls off something incredible, like signing Oswalt for 4 million, then trading Lars and Expo for Floyd, Alexei, and 12 million, I would guess most of us could have done a better job.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I highly doubt it
It’s not just as simple as “I WANT OSWALT AND WILL GIVE HIM 10 MM” and then he magically signs. None of us has the experience to run a baseball team.
Okay, anyone but Sologub could do it.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I understand it's not the same as MLB2k10
But I have to believe most of us could come up with a coherent offseason scheme.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's not just identifying targets, though
It’s convincing them to come to Boston, beating the offers of competitive teams, not being fleeced by the agents, playing them off each other…
And that’s just the free agents. It requires specialized knowledge I doubt any of us has.
Ross's agent just did that though.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, really,
$3 million for Cody Ross is not a bad deal. He’s worth that. He’s just not to this team while we need pitching. So I wouldn’t say he was fleeced, per se.
Ugh... there goes my wish for less than $2 million.
Seriously, we just gave away half of what we saved by dumping Scutaro’s salary to sign a back up OF made necessary by moving Aviles to SS.
So we saved $3 million, and still don’t have a SP.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Just Cherington being Cherington
“Look! I’m active! I made all these moves!”
Yes Ben, but all you did was make holes in the roster and then fill them with mediocre players.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I successfully avoided
being eaten by sharks today by not going swimming, is that a skill?
Everything Must Go.
I'm with you wolf
I got it,but I was certain others would jump on it as “yeah! Ben is awesome!”
Everything Must Go.
True
That was a bad trade. Given what was revealed in that WEEI article (that Scutaro’s contract basically had to be traded) I wonder if Cherington really had no leverage.
I still think he could’ve gotten something good from Sabean.
Except that we dumped the $6 million...
… and signed Cody Ross for half of it.
(Though, maybe I’m missing the point of the WEEI article, which I haven’t read.)
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
it's basic gist is that because of the complications of AAV
trading scutaro saved something more like $7.5 million I believe
Okay, so Cody Ross didn't eat half of what we saved.
Just $3 million of $7.5 million.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'm still trying to figure that out.
His COST this season was either going to be $6M, $3M or $1.5M depending on what options were picked up or declined. Since we picked up his option, we were only going to pay him $6M right? The $1.5M buyout only occurs if we didn’t want him back, we did so I thought it was irrelevant. I have no idea how AAV works regarding options but it upon exercising the option it would be 5+5+6/3 years right? So $5.33M?
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
not quite
basically, the guaranteed money was $14 million over 3 years- $1 million signing bonus, 2 years of $5 million, and one year player option of $3 million- so up to now, his AAV had been calculated as $4.667/year
Once the Red Sox picked up the option, it became worth $17/3 years (so an AAV of 5.667) but then this year, we would also get charged for the difference between the AAV from the two years before-
so it would become $7.667 million
Does that make sense?
It does.
Painfully so.
Wow, so we effectively had to trade him away to avoid paying some level of tax on that deal.
So… why pick up the option when all it got us was the need to trade him, and a AAA scrub pitcher?
And why trade Jedi away? And… oh, none of it makes sense any more.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
if we hadn't picked up the option
we still would’ve had to pay him $1.5 million. So we saved money not picking it up.
The Jed thing? Ben must have just liked Melancon better than Jed. For better or worse. I’d feel more comfortable with Jed there, but I do like having Melancon.
I do too...
… even if we then traded for Bailey, meaning we traded Lowrie and Weiland for a set up guy (even though we had the best set up guy in baseball last year in Bard).
If we didn’t pick up the $6 million option, you figure Scutaro would have taken the $1.5 million buy out and gone looking for a deal somewhere rather than picking up his $3 million player option? I suppose that might be true.
However, if picking up his $6 million club option made him too expensive to keep? We saved the $1.5 million there because we traded him away instead of waiting out his decision on his player option?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
there's zero chance he would have picked up his player option
if you look at what guys like Jamie Carroll got this offseason, he woulda gotten himself a couple of years somewhere
Okay... so this was my other question here...
… why have a $3 million player option, if he gets half of that as a buy out?
In what world is Scutaro choosing the player option for $3 million, when he can take $1.5 million by walking away and hoping to earn at least $1.5 million somewhere else (and should get more)?
And what impact would the $1.5 million buy out have had on the 2012 salary cap? Does it count against 2012?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
well it's a little complicated
giving him the cheap player option gave him some security for if he got injured and couldn’t play at all- and it made the guaranteed money count as a 3 year deal, lowering his luxury tax hit for the last two years.
The $1.5 million would have counted against the luxury tax this year.
Okay... okay.
Still just don’t like how this played out, with the Sox dumping salary (unless we actually get under the cap, or believe that Aviles can be our everyday SS).
If we go sign another starting SS with some of the remaining money saved, that won’t make me particularly happy.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Well my head exploded, but I think I've got it.
I am Sandy's bitch.
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Penn State Forever
Please read it everyone, as it sbows more clearly what Ben is up against and bis skill at maxiimizing
deals to Sox advantage. The Scoot trade was, under the circumstances, a significant salary dump for an often injured 36 year old SS we have. Ome to respect, but who was place holding for (hopefully, probably) Iglesias. Now Aviles/Punto are placeholding with little drop off in performance if any. The Issues with RHB and CC & Kalish have been fixed by a solid platoon of Ross/Sweeney, and news reports have Ben in hot pursuit of Oswalt &\or Floyd, whichever comes first. With all that, the MiLB contracts for Cook, mortenson, padilla, silva which have zero impact on payroll if they dont perform, even as they promise a reprise of earlier MLB success, all while straightening ojt the medical staff, training staff, international scouting, expanding scouting, signing a manager and coaches, heading to a new ST ballpark and training facility. C’mon Ben. It’s been several months. Quit slacking and do something. I have a hard time
believing the Herald-like negativity and lack of patience on this normally perceptive site. I can’t believe the disdain for giving Bard, Acevas, Doubront, Tazawa a shot at EARNING a starting role.
I'm thrilled to give one of those guys a shot
I just don’t want to rely on two of them being successful is all
Right.
Just one more legit starter, and I’ll stop being so negative.
I mean, after all, if nothing else 2011 showed us you can never have too much pitching. Right now, it really feels like we don’t have enough.
Point taken on the other things Ben has been dealing with, and doing well.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
In a vacuum I'd agree
but he traded the pieces we had to fill nonexistent holes while ignoring the giant gaping pit that is our rotation.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's generally accepted that our offseason right now hinges on signing a starter
No starter, it’s a failed offseason with a few decent spare parts as crappy goody bag consolation prizes.
One starter turns it from shit to mediocre
you really need two starters to say anything good about it.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I really do feel fine if we get Oswalt
I think we have enough crap piled up that someone is bound to be good enough for a fifth starter. My money is on Cook. Though maybe our lack of shortstop changes that a bit…
If we get Oswalt
I feel this team is a 91 win team
WIthout him we miss the playoffs entirely.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
91 might not be enough
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I hate free agency
Well, I'm taking into account
the Rays and Jays being a lot better in the division.
I think 95 wins it, because we’ll all beat up on eachother.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Cody Ross is the new Hermida
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I hate free agency
Yeah, that made me throw up in my mouth a little.
This is so depressing… please be for one year, less than $2 million.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
no chance he gets less than 3 million
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I hate free agency
You picked the right number, if I read that right from Wolf above.
How does this make sense? The Mets wouldn’t give him $1 million, so we give him $3 million???
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
7 years, 142 million
I mean, we already signed one platoon player to that contract.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
platoon implies
you hit well against one type of pitcher. Crawford isn’t that good.
Everything Must Go.
eh, he's better than Hermida
Not good, but better than Hermida. I think everyone will be surprised how well he hits at Fenway. His swing should play well there.
I'm okay with it if we got him <2 million
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I hate free agency
I'll bet that if Crawford misses the beginning,
it’s probably Ross in Left and Sweeney/DMac in right. But yeah, that makes sense for the season.
Well that's done
Reports are in Cody Ross has been signed. Interested to see the details.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 23, 2012 8:54 PM EST reply actions
they had to overpay for him to come here and be in a platoon
others would have started him
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I hate free agency
not sure about that wolf, think he had a lot of interest
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I hate free agency
Yeah most of the interest in Ross was earlier I think.
He had at least five in on him at one point but a few addressed their OF in other places. At this point I think only the Mets were in the mix, could be wrong.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
And they wouldn't pay him more than $1 million...
… but we paid him $3 million?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
It's done.
Can he pitch? Seriously? C’mon, Ben.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions
C'mon dude
I need you here to back me up. Aloha and Rogue aren’t here enough.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Well, you're not.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there are two painful pieces here...
One, I’m not here often enough, and two… I’m in the camp with Sean O and Rogue (along with you) that thinks all is lost. I’m usually known for my positive outlook, but lately I cannot find anything positive about this offseason.
BLAAAAAAAAARGH OMFG SIGN STARTERS!!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'm usually fairly positive too
but these last few months have sapped any optimism from me.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
It hurts me too.
I remember the battles I would get in with Sean O about the state of the Red Sox and how optimistic I still was in September. But I cannot for the life of me see how Cherington has done anything to actually improve the team. He took the dirt from over there and moved it over here but didn’t fill the hole.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
I remember Sean O rooting for the Yankees against the Rays...
… when they were 14 games back in July, and thinking it was ridiculous. There was no way they were climbing back into the Wild Card… root for the Rays, so the Sox could win the division.
Oh, to be young old and stupid.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I remember pooh poohing Sandy in August
when he said we couldn’t make the playoffs.
I did stick to my guns about Crawford not being right for the team though, and I don’t think the Sox will be able to extract value from him like other teams could.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not leaving leaving
but there’s no reason for me to take part in the conversation for this dumbass move.
Everything Must Go.
They signed him
Check out my blog at http://conor-soxrox.blogspot.com
Did ja hear?
Frazee up and sold Babe to New York!
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
mlbtraderumors:
A team source says the Sox are “optimistic” about reaching a deal with Ross, reports Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald, and the contract will be for one year. The source also tells Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe that if Ross signed, the Sox will still try to add a starting pitcher (both Twitter links).
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I hate free agency
I could live with that, but more likely 1 year 4 million
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I hate free agency
7/142
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
You know what's eerie about this offseason
if we had a solid rotation then these moves Ben is making would be pretty good (outside of the Scutaro deal). Get a lefty-hitting power bat for the outfield, grab a couple of super-solid strong-armed relievers on the cheap without giving up top prospects, bring in some camp fodder to battle for starting depth.
But tell me Mrs. Lincoln, otherwise how was the play?
Everything Must Go.
by Sean O on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Comment of the day.
I am Sandy's bitch.
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Penn State Forever
Yup, that's a solid one.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Why did the comment about the Comment of the Day
get a rec and not my Comment of the Day? Strange world.
Everything Must Go.
Ha ha ha!
Crap… it appears that was me, and must have been a mistake on my part. I was a little worn out yesterday, after spending the weekend as a tour guide on Kauai.
(I know, none of you feel bad for me…)
Fixed.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
No wonder no one recs any of your comments...
OH, SNAP!
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
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But we don't
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
i like the idea of Linares, guess team doesn't
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I hate free agency
Exactly
thats why I am getting really annoyed at people here really complaining about it. If Ben had gone out and signed a starters on day 1 it would cost a LOT more than in January but the fans would appreciate the good moves by Ben.
In November who the hell here thought the Red Sox would have a chance to sign Oswalt on a 1 yr, 4-8MM dollar deal? Honestly?
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 23, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Dude... Oswalt is asking for $10 million now that Kuroda got it.
So, I don’t think we’ll see him for $4-$8 million.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
My point is... the price hasn't dropped to $4-$8 million yet.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I was thinking the same thing.
Hell, if we had pitchers, we’d be ecstatic about the moves Ben is making.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you...
… but Sean’s comment is spot on.
And as I said elsewhere… signing Ross before we sign a SP isn’t the right order here, especially if we spent half of the salary dump on him.
Unless this is a big indication that we’re worried about Carl’s health for 2012.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Edes says 1 year, "around" $3m
With some incentives. Per twitter.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions
that's what I was waiting around for
idiotic. Have a good night folks, big day tomorrow.
Everything Must Go.
Rob57 disagrees with you.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
there you go, told you so
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
So 1 million more than was hoped for
If one million stands between us and Oswalt/Jackson/someone else, well, we’re screwed.
But really... why save $3 million on Scutaro?
I mean, we need Ross because Aviles is moving to SS.
Unless the Scutaro deal was really to free up money to get a LF, because we think Crawford is going to miss significant time in 2012.
In which case… bridge year, we don’t have money (or a target) for SP, and we need to be under the luxury tax cap.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I don't know
Speculation is all well and good, but I doubt we’ll ever know exactly what Henry has said regarding the payroll.
Nathan Fillion
Of Firefly and Castle fame.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Also Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Fucking Fox...
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
*Insert Arrested Development bitching here*
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I actually never got into AD
I thought Better Off Ted was much better, and it was only on the air half as long.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
*insert comment about how you're committing internet blasphemy here*
But seriously, Arrested Development was a great show. Witty, zany, slapstic, sex humor, non sequitor, et. al. It had a type of humor for everyone.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Better Off Ted was made by the same people
and was, IMO the better effort.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Never got into Better of Ted.
Wasn’t that cancelled during the writers’ strike of 2008?
Pushing Daisies was the true victim of the writers’ strike…
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Pushing Daisies was my second favorite show of all time
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Bryan Fuller is a certifiable genuis after Dead Like Me and Pushing Daisies
It’s a shame neither of them lasted long.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Good TV shows get killed
Survivor is on it’s what? 20th season?
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Fillion is fucking awesome.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
He should've been cast in the Uncharted movie...
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
He should have been cast in the Green Lantern movie
If he was Hal Jordan instead of Ryan Roberts the movie would instantly have been fantastic.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I’d watch romantic comedies if he was cast in that shit.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
YES
I have been saying this for so long. Noone better.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
We should make a movie
Starring Nathan Fillion and Patrick Warburton as superheroes.
We’ll figure out the rest of the plot later, that show is already better than 100% of shows on tv right now.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd!
Seriously though. Castle is one of only two shows on TV right now that I make a point of watching :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I actually don't watch Castle
I would, but I have class when the new episodes air.
The Tick and Firefly are in my top 5 tv shows though.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Dude.... you should
As a writer especially. Start getting them from NetFlix or something.
Start with this clip though… don’t worry. It doesn’t spoil anything. Just…. PRICELESS :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, love it.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
So does he apparently!
THat is the single most priceless moment in the whole show. But the show just… is awesome. :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, did you sign the petition to have Syfy sell the rights to Firefly to Nathan and Joss?
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't know about it
Can I still sign? if so where?
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I signed it a couple years ago, let me look.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
It was here last I looked, but the site won't open for some reason
http://helpnathanbuyfirefly.com/
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
if it doesn't work you could google
help Nathan buy Firefly.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Kill me now.
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-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
its not suprising
he had full time offers out there, they had to overpay
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Well, you guessed $4 mil. in the end
So at least it’s not that.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
my original post was 3-4
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Well, yeah
But your last post was $4m. So clearly we got a tremendous deal on the price.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Joe died twice this weekend.
…both are sounding a bit more official now.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
So Ben just spent another $3M, half of what he just cleared off the budget...
To fill another hole he made himself…
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
Not that I agree with the move
but we did need a right-handed power bat and 4th outfielder before all this mess started
I think that need was over blown
We crushed lefties last season with a lineup that was set to return in it’s entirety. I guess I’m higher on McDonald than most were but he picked up his pace in the second half.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
Even so, our offense was top of the league last year.
Our pitching??? Not so much.
So, which need do you actually fix? We could stand a drop off in offensive production, but our current rotation is a disaster.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Yeah, I just kinda figured the pitching would be fixed by now
“but we did need a right-handed power bat and 4th outfielder before all this mess started”
I guess I've just lost focus.
All I can think is… BLAAAAAAARGH OMFG SIGN STARTERS.
Seriously, when we sign someone… Oswalt please… I’ll go back to my normal, cheery self.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
It's questionable if Ortiz and A-Gon
Can recreate their performance against lefties last year, though
Even then
There aren’t enough lefties in baseball to make me think that signing offense at the expense of pitching this offseason is worth it.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
At what point do we just have to accept
That we’re starring in a Truman Show-esque reality/comedy that is being directed by the Steinbrenner brothers?
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
I mean, Opinions count as fact, right?
IMO, very much so. Sox working on other P options, too//RT @BENJAROCA: @GordonEdes Is Roy Oswalt still a posibility?
-Edes Twitter
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions
They should just start with a tweet that we signed Oswalt
and then work backwards to having him not signed
Sweeney/Ross will make a darn good platoon
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
They'll be awesome
But then… I could turn around and watch balls fly over the wall in RF too, and I’d do it for less than $3M.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
Well I could watch balls hit the wall in LF, then throw them to second
and do it for less than 20 million.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS!
Red Sox Agree to terms with Roy Oswalt
not really, I just wanted people to feel a glimmer of relief for a few short miliseconds.
now im going to run up the score against you this summer
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
We still have enough money to afford Tim Wakefield!!!!
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 23, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Oh lord....
"I don't put any foreign substances on the baseball. Everything I use is from the good old U.S.A."
JVSM
Pedroya Lova
by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
HA HA HA!
Oh, man… this was mean.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'm sorry to say
I think this move takes Oswalt off the table. Clearly they are very close to their budget. I’d put my money on Floyd at this point.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
I'd take Floyd over Oswalt, though
I guess depending on the prospects, but Oswalt is older and his back is scary.
His back was hurt cleaning up from a hurricane, not pitching...
How is that scary? Every other season (but one) he’s thrown over 200 innings, and that ONE was 181.
This guy is very durable, except last year’s injury, which wasn’t baseball related.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
But in Edes' opinion we still have a chance to get Oswalt!
Isn’t his opinion the same as fact?
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 23, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Floyd>Oswalt Rogue
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
I wish they had money to get 2 starters, put Bard back in the pen and roll over everyone
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Floyd/Oswalt
or Floyd/Jackson
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Two trades
Floyd/Marcum
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
not enough to get that done
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Sure we do.
We just have to trade Youkilis to Milwaukee
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
So send a little money their way
we can pay 8 of Youk’s 12 million, it’s not a big deal.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
their lineup is too righty
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Oh no, how could I have missed that?
Good hitters will hit, it’s not that big of a deal.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Aviles will hit 20 HR's and provide defense as good as Scutaro's
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
his defense will be interesting to see
from what I’ve heard, it was OK before he had tommy john, then took a big hit. Maybe he’s worked it back up.
I have some hope that this will be Aviles break out year.
However, I’d rather that $6 million saved had gone to SP, not Cody Ross.
I’ll say it again… any chance this is an indication that Carl Crawford will be missing more time than previously thought?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I think they probably don't know that, yet
most likely, this just provides more security for if Kalish needs to take a good amount of time in AAA/gets hurt again
Cliff Floyd said on MLB radio today Carl will miss all of April
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
So we'll actually have a chance to win some games then.
"There's something out there, beyond the horizon in the corner of your eye. I'm going to find out what it is."
-Thomas Solomon, Gentleman Adventurer.
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
So, we actually need an OF ready to play in April...
… meaning, no to Kalish, Lin and Linares.
Maybe this is truly the corresponding move to Scutaro being dumped? Where are we to the luxury tax cap threshold? Are we under? If so, I think we’re done adding salary… I’m really beginning to believe that.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
every source i have seen says they are and were over the tax before any of this
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
But we freed up $6 million from Scutaro (or $7.5 million... now $4.5 million)...
We were close to the threshold, so did we manage to get back under it?
If so, I’d think we might really be done.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
no the arbitration will take us over regardless
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
Then why dump Scutaro's salary again?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
nobody can figure that out
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
I think it has to do with our tax figure NEXT year or the year after
When the free agent pools are awesome. Even if they go over this year, with the contracts we may shed, if we can get back under and pay a lesser rate in the future when we may actually want to go over, it would make sense. Save money now to save more later I guess.
I am Sandy's bitch.
Joseph Vincent Paterno 12/21/26 - 1/22/12 RIP Coach
Penn State Forever
Yep
If you can clear out the first time reset rate is 17.5%, if not the 3rd timer+ rate is 50%. Of course in 2 years the tax line goes up to 189 million
the new CBA provides kick backs to teams that went over if they get back under correct?
The 2011 Over the Monster Gedman League Fantasy Baseball Champion
I hate free agency
However... if we're clearly not getting under in 2012...
… how does dumping Scutaro’s salary (due to the cap hit in 2012, not 2013) and replacing him with $3 million to Cody Ross (plus, I hope, more money to a SP) change that dynamic?
We still have to get under for 2013, where Scutaro isn’t on the books at all. So dumping his salary now has no impact on our cap number for 2013.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
And I have high hopes for that.
However, BZ’s comment is still funny.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
from Pete Abraham
Signing Ross would not preclude the Red Sox also signing Roy Oswalt or finding some other way to help the rotation. There is budget space left to make a move.
Which is the point above, about dumping Scutaro's salary...
… if that dump doesn’t get us under the cap, and we’re taking the hit regardless… why do we dump his salary at all?
If we think Scutaro is too old to play SS, and Aviles gives us the potential for a younger Scutaro and a break out season (which I do think/hope/believe can happen), why pick up his option? So we save the $1.5 million buy out, and get a AAA pitcher in return for picking up the $6 million option?
We’re sure Scutaro wouldn’t have simply exercised his $3 million player option, and would have taken the buy out? Wouldn’t we have gotten a bigger return for a $3 million Scutaro?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
as I said above, there is no chance he would've exercised his option
I think probably the best comparable deal to what he would’ve gotten would’ve been Clint Barmes (2 years, $10.5 million)
Okay, so we know he won't take the option.
So… the other half of that question is how does picking up his option, and trading him to dump the salary actually help this team? Crap Craptensen in AAA is worth the effort there?
Is the $1.5 million against the cap really that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, as opposed to gambling that someone will take him off our hands for a AAAA pitcher? And if they intended to pick up the option and move him, where was the rumor mill on Scutaro being traded?
I mean, when they said they needed to move salary, some of us guessed he was the one that would be moved, but until the Rockies popped up as a trade partner last week, there wasn’t any rumor smoke, was there? And no one else was willing to take Scutaro on for a better return than we got? I find that hard to believe too.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
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