Marco Scutaro Traded To Colorado For Clay Mortensen
by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 6:42 PM EST
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PrintThe Red Sox have traded Marco Scutaro to the Colorado Rockies for RHP Clay Mortensen in what is effectively a salary dump. Troy Renck of the Denver Post had it first.
Mortensen, 26, was a first round draft pick of the St. Louis Cardinals in 2007, but has struggled ever since reaching Triple-A, and was designated by assignment in January before being dealt to the Rockies. While he had some decent results in a short stint in the majors last year, his peripherals suggest that was a fluke. Given his track record, it's hard to see Mortensen as anything more than minor league depth well past the likes of Cook and Silva.
Marco Scutaro, on the other hand, has managed to solidify Boston's shortstop position for the last two years after five years of chaos. In two years with the team, Scutaro averaged a line of .284/.343/.401 producing 5.3 fWAR despite playing injured for much of 2010. At the moment, Nick Punto and Mike Aviles seem likely to take over his role in 2012.
By trading Scutaro, the Sox have freed up more than $5 million in salary, presumably to pursue a starting pitcher like Roy Oswalt. While any addition to the rotation at this point will be more than welcome, it's hard to imagine that the Sox couldn't find any sort of return for a reasonably cheap, league average player at a position of some scarcity.
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This does not make sense
Ben Cherington…
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Salary Space
He’s trying to clear Cap Space to sign an elite SP, maybe Roy Oswalt.
by Randy1375 on Jan 21, 2012 6:57 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Down grading the SS position to pick up Oswalt does not seem to be an upgrade IMHO
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
How so?
And if the Sox get only 140 innings out of Oswalt is that worth it?
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
it is because the difference between starting Vicente Padilla and Roy Oswalt
is a LOT bigger than the difference between starting Aviles instead of Scutaro.
No it’s probably not worth it if we only get 140 innings out of Oswalt, but I believe that he’s going to be able to provide much more than that (that is, assuming that Scutaro stays healthy as well, which is kind of a stretch)
Scutaro could still play with injuries
I want you to be right – I really do because Scutaro is traded so I have to assume Oswalt or Jackson or something is in the makings…but, I think a position player at SS who shows up and does a good job is a better deal than Oswalt
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
exactly right
but I’d say we’re probably starting Punto not Aviles.
by dennet on Jan 21, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I bet it's Aviles
at least to start. Aviles wants to start, Punto embraces being a backup. Also probably has a lot more potential- though punto is no doubt better defensively
I agree with this
but I do not understand the Red Sox dumping payroll. It almost feels like they are changing some assumptions in their business model. Adding Oswalt is what, maybe a 4% addition in payroll. That isn’t material for an organization with $180 million payroll.
I wonder if their revenue projections have, for some reason, soured.
Scutaro played everyday and solidified the position
Now, it is a revolving door unless some unknown blockbuster trade is in the works which is not likely
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Well look at it this way
if its Oswalt
Oswalt: 3-4 WAR, Punto/Aviles 2 WAR
Cook/Padilla: 1-2 WAR, Scutaro: 3 WAR
The upside is heavier on the Oswalt side
Fair enough but the Scutaro WAR is more predictable and based on past performance with the Sox
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
and it's worth saying that
the BABIP was unsustainable, but Aviles did put up 4.4 WAR in 102 games in the one year that he spent most of his time starting at short- and it’s not necessarily true, but he claimed that the switching positions after that year made him struggle
Can I call you and BZ the fire brigade?
poured the much needed cold water on this early.
We’ll probably need your efforts a lot more in the forthcoming “Red Sox acquire X” thread.
by dennet on Jan 21, 2012 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aviles hit over .300 for the sox last season
And he has has hit over .300 a couple of season in his career. How is he a downgrade from Scutaro? Plus they can get an upgrade at SP. I don’t get some of you….
by greenlemonade102 on Jan 21, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm looking forward to even year Aviles
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If Oswalt were still elite
than this would seem worth it. I’m scared cherington is going to trade for a real elite pitcher with a package of Bogaerts and Iglesias. Maybe his coach never let him play shortstop in little league
I would not want that
I think (hope?) that doesn’t happen. The cavalry is coming if we don’t bargain it away.
by dennet on Jan 21, 2012 7:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It makes plenty of sense
It’s just unpalatable we have to get rid of value to get value. Blame Theo’s final years.
Not seeing it that way
Why trade Lowrie and then Scutaro too?
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Alexei Ramirez + Gavin Floyd
Chicago Fire Sale!
So whats the package….Iglesias, Brentz, JENKS (PLEASE), Wilson, Doubront/C. Hernandez
how much are they paying Alexei?
(also I don’t think this will happen. Floyd maybe.)
by dennet on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this is a good point here.
Not that the FO seem to have any faith in Lowrie anymore, but you have a cheap option at SS with Lowrie, if you’re going to move Scutaro.
While I understand the move now, it is like they just realized the need to dump salary… if they’d anticipated trading Scutaro a month ago, they wouldn’t have traded Lowrie away. Much like the trade of Hanley because he was blocked by Renteria, followed by trading Renteria a month later… this seems like poor planning by the front office.
Of course, the other problem here is the return we got. I mean, I realize we needed someone else to pay the salary, but that’s all we could get back for Scutaro? Really?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I kind of don't understand the $$ issue
as a team the Sox have a high payroll and if they signed a guy like Oswalt straight up they would pay his salary plus a small amount in luxury tax. Is it so much for owners and a team that seems not to be cash strapped?
Regardless-while I would be happier with Scutaro, it is not totally crazy to think Aviles could do mostly what Scutaro can at this point (while I hate his approach, he has put up decent numbers before however his offense is more inconsistent as it relies completely on babip). If given the choice I guess I would rather have Aviles/Punto at SS than Scutaro if it allows us to sign Oswalt.
I agree 100% Buzzy.
Aviles is just as good as Scutaro, and we can also get an upgrade at SP.
by greenlemonade102 on Jan 21, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Are you telling me
that the Kansas City Royals’ sloppy seconds is as good as Marco Scutaro?
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Stolen from Joy of Sox via the miracle of copy & paste:
Punto started a whopping six games at shortstop last year and 31 games in 2010. Aviles has not played the position regularly since 2009.
This “Aviles is as good as Scutaro” talk is meritless in my estimation.
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This "Aviles is as good as Scutaro" talk is meritless in my estimation
stands to reason, it follows suit with the Bard to starting mentality…
Well, to be fair... Aviles has had success at SS more recently than Bard has at SP.
Though, I do agree with your basic premise and logic.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Certainly Aviles is not near as good as Scutaro
and anyone saying that is just fooling themselves or is not really familiar with Aviles.
What I do think is true is that having Oswalt as starter #4 and Aviles at short is better than Having Aaron Cook as starter #4 and Scutaro at short.
Well
“is as good” and “could be as good” are two different things
Aviles has posted a 4.4 WAR as a starting SS the last time he started, got hurt – then the Royals failed to offer him another opportunity to start because, well they are the Royals.
Using the fangraphs leaderboard from 2008 (minimum 350 PAs for SS)
Could he do that now, probably not – but he has and you could make a case that he could put up a 2.0-2.5 WAR season at SS if given the opportunity and not bounced around the field like a pogo-stick.
Marco posted a 2.9 WAR last year, and with a little regression you could see him as a 2.0-2.5 WAR player.
2012 Scutaro might not be as good as 2012 Aviles...
Scutaro is aging, and has been a very reliable SS for a team that hasn’t had a really solid starting SS since we traded Nomar (we’ve had spurts of Cabrera, Alex Gonzales, and not much else).
So the consistency of knowing what to expect at SS was reassuring, but I do hope that Aviles can show us what he can do at SS. Of course, since Scutaro will now be playing second base, it’ll be hard to compare the two at the end of the season.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
So we do The Great Aviles Experiment
on top of The Great Bard Experiment.
Again, I’m not anti-Aviles, per se. In fact, I’m quite hopeful for him. But I think a lot of people are painting a rosier mental picture than they should be.
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well if the option is "the Aviles experiment" or "the Padilla experiment"
I know what my preference is.
Sadly, unless something changes
we have all three.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
To understand:
Henry and Co. CAN take the luxury tax hit and CAN afford to sign Oswalt and keep Scutaro.
But they refuse to. Henry’s gone on record as despising paying the luxury tax. It’s almost like a moral stand with him.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
When did the Sox become a small market team?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think he means
at approx 170, what’s and extra bit here or there for the final pieces?
At $170, shouldn't we already have the final pieces in place?
Lackey/Dice-K/Crawford/and even kinda Papi screwed us.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
it’s just that however you arrive at it-you ARE already a high payroll tram. A very high one. So then f-it, go all in despite your past errors and stop acting like the high payroll that you have burned has cut into your kid’s savings…
Yes, because once you've invested $170 million in the payroll, why pinch pennies on the pieces you actually need.
$170 million with our current rotation is a waste, and likely misses the playoffs, showing a lower return on investment. $8-$12 million for a #4 starter, while not ideal, gives you a much better chance for a better return.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Not so much Dice
He’s only on the books for 6-years/$52 million, an AAV of $8.67 million.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I meant just for 2012
It’s a rotation spot they have to fill, although I hope he comes back and actually pitches fairly well this season
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
You misunderstand
The Sox are acting like a small market team this off-season. Big market teams don’t have to clear $5-6 million in order to sign a player.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hate it, I really do
But I want to say I can kinda understand why the owners don’t want to keep dolling out $8 million contracts here and there, and at some point they just want to say “Stop”
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
If the Sox want salary relief
They should move Crawford and eat half the contract
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
It would be they can't do it
but to be honest I strongly feel it would be a good move. I cannot for the life of me see where his value is going to come from on this team. Not from defense in half his games on the road and without the Rays positioning guys moving him around, and not from his offense which as proven to be amazingly consistently bad over a decent sample outside of the Trop.
+1
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Why would they?
They have a better LF.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
You want to dump CC
as if he has no talent. Why they would do it makes no difference. IF you believe he is a worthless player, you should have no problems with him in a Yankee uniform.
We both would like to dump him
If this team is so concerned about salary. CC is a total product of the Rays. From his mysterious hitting splits to defensive positioning. He is a fast LF in the smallest LF in the league who has no arm and could never hit away from Tampa. He seemingly would top out as a 2-3 WAR player here. So yes- give me an extra 70 mill and take a walk.
This. Since January 2011.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but us being so eager to trade him away is probably why it wouldn't happen
We need to get used to being stuck with him and making moves to accommodate his salary.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, that could be pretty huge for him
CC in left, Gardner in center, Granderson in right, Swisher DH.
my point was that CC is still a good players
and tossing him for half his salary is not a very solid option.
I hope you're right.
I’d like to see him bounce back in 2012, and we’ll have back to back Come Back of the Year players…
However, there is a piece of me that would like to see his salary moved, and Ellsbury signed longterm instead. Ells is home grown, plays the premium position in CF, likes to bat lead off and has developed the power we were hoping Crawford might find in his 30s.
I also don’t think anyone’s taking him this offseason, even if we paid half his salary.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
I'd like him to bounce back this year
so that we could trade him and sign Ells long term.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
We should...
… force the Cubs to trade for him in exchange for a bag of baseballs.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
CC was a 0.2 WAR player last year . . . maybe half a bag of balls.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Is there any chance here that they truly mean what they say?
And that this is literally a salary dump to get us under the luxury tax for 2012, thereby resetting the penalty structure for 2013?
I mean, Scutaro is getting $6 million and Big Papi’s arbitration numbers are $4 million apart. We could do something towards the $6 million they just cleared by offering a two year deal with AAV on the lower side of Big Papi’s number.
If they don’t sign anyone, and this is a true salary dump… WTF?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
that would indicate that they had no intention of competing in 2012
in which case, I would like to think that they would have shopped guys like Ellsbury and Youk
What's to say they haven't?
Or are waiting until the deadline when teams are desperate?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
probably we would've heard of it if they had been
if they were gonna shop Youk I hardly think that waiting until July to do it seems like a good decision.
Well, we are talking about the guy who traded Scutaro without having a deal in place.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Until Scutaro was traded (rumor on Friday), had you heard his name before?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
well yeah, actually
earlier in the offseason, they’d been talking to a few teams about him. That was a while ago though, and I figured when they traded Lowrie that it meant there wasn’t a match.
There's a Mitt Romney comment somewhere
But it’s honestly not worth the political flak it would engender
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rumors that #redsox could be negotiating a #Phillies trade for Cole Hamels. Once more, rumors. Take it with a grain of salt,but keep eye out
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions
And you are right sir
but just put it up to show, more clearly, that this is just step 1 of a bigger move
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Twitter feed...
… for an insane asylum. To be fair, they totally predicted that we’d sign John Lackey back in 2009.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Considering all the money talk
that would make no sense…..seeing as Cole has asked for 15 million, right?
Well, we could
if Youk, Ortiz are both gone and replaced with league minimum players (enter Will Middlebrooks and Ryan Lavarnway)
Good deal, especially if we get Oswalt or an upgrade at SP
Seriously, I don’t see much difference in value between Scutaro and Aviles. Aviles has shown in his career that he can hit a good average at .300, and he did the same for the Sox last season. Is that not what Scutaro did also? Why do you guys think that Aviles is a big downgrade from Scutaro, because it seems to me that Aviles brings the same as Scutaro. Trading Scutaro frees up enough money to get that upgrade at SP all of you want. Now that we got that, ya’ll are still complaining. We are stabilizing at SS and upgrading at SP, whats not to like?
by greenlemonade102 on Jan 21, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions
as I said in the other thread
I like the concept of this a lot, but I just wish they’d gotten a better return for him.
Yeah, I agree on that point.
Maybe they could have gotten a better return. But I just don’t get why people think Aviles is a downgrade from Scutaro when he does the same exact thing Scutaro does, maybe even better.
by greenlemonade102 on Jan 21, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
well he doesn't really do the same thing
he strikes out more, walks less, and doesn’t have good splits. I’ve heard mixed things about his defense there. I do agree that the downgrade is way overblown.
Yes, it's not a huge downgrade
But it’s still a downgrade.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it is
which I think is justified just fine if it means we get Oswalt or Floyd and some outfield help or something
But if he hits over .300 like he did with the Sox last season
Then I don’t care about the rest of that stuff, because Scutaro has never hit over .300 in his career, and Aviles has a couple of times.
by greenlemonade102 on Jan 21, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
AVG isn't a good measure of a hitter
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
But Aviles measures out well as a hitter against Scoot when he's in an up-year.
Beckett like through a SS of 4.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
indeed.
I just feel his offense is likely more variable due to it’s components.
Sure, definitely.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
His career 4.2% BB-rate worries me.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Aviles wouldn't be the starter
Punto would.
I’m kind of “meh” either way, but like Wolf I wish we got a better return.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of this offseason
I’m hoping there’s some sort of Jacob’s Ladder kind of “Oh, shit…so THAT’S what was going on!!!!!” kind of revelation.
At which point I’ll stand and clap.
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by Bloggy on Jan 21, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But it would also mean that Cherington's career will get worse as it goes on.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 21, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair to M Night Shyamalan...
His recent movies are only bad in the sense that they are not good. They’re still entertaining, as long as you like watching terrible, terrible movies.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
The Last Airbender
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I bought that film on DVD
Loved it.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
You are quite literally the only one.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Your opinions are no longer valid.
To anything.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 21, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Come on
It may not have achieved that magical “Troll 2” level of badness, but “The Last Airbender” was a terrible film, and I embraced it in all of its cartoon butchering.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well
For campiness-factor, yeah it’s pretty good movie to sit down and make fun of with some friends.
Just like most of Shyamalan’s films.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 21, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not even that
there’s a difference between “The Evil Dead” and “The Last Airbender” Evil Dead was so bad it’s funny, Airbender was just bad.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
There is a very particular curve for movie watchability
I’m a connoisseur of awful films. Starts high when a movie is legit good, then dips to unwatchable for mediocre films, then rises again for “so bad it’s good”. Unfortunately, there is then a much deeper, tragic falloff after that, with frightening results.
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by Sean O on Jan 21, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've never seen "The Evil Dead"
I assume it’s terrible?
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Evil Dead is simultaneously
the best and worst movie of all time.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
There are movies so dramatically worse
your skin would crawl. At least one of which I refuse to tell anyone about, to protect them.
Everything Must Go.
You can tell me
I’ve already seen the absolute totally non-hyperbolic worst movie ever.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Neither of which are worse than A Dog of Flanders.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don't.
It’s not worth it.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Birdemic!
Glad to know someone else besides me who’s watched that. Did you hear about the sequal?
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I found Birdemic: Shock and Terror on Netflix
is that what we’re talking about?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Thats it!
It is truely one-of-a-kind.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but that will almost certainly be self-aware
and thus unwatchable for different reasons.
Everything Must Go.
Has anyone else noticed
that “bad” movies always have ridiculously long opening sequences?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, so I watched a good portion of that
and it’s a bad movie, but it’s like something MST3K would riff on.
A Dog of Flanders is just unpleasant.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm almost posative that movie is on Netflix.
So that’s about a two hour chunk being taken out of my night. Any other terrible films to recomend?
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Black Dynamite, the Hebrew Hammer, How to be a Serial Killer
Dr Horrible’s Sing Along Blog… That’s it from off the top of my head.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you.
And in return for this kind feet, I must ask you a question: have you ever seen “Nude for Satan” or any of the Spirited Killer trilogy? Truly terrible films by any standard of grading.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't
also, if you get the chance you should watch Trick R Treat and I Sell The Dead.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I never said it was terrible
It’s one of my favorite movies of all time, I wanted him to watch it.
I have the soundtrack memorized, I can sing all the songs from memory.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
I’ll have to post my picture from Halloween, my friend and I went as Dr Horrible and Captain Hammer.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ben Cherington was dead all along!
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Nice one.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sox avoid arbitration with Bard
There, you’ve got your SP!
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
OR..we could.....
Sign Gavin Floyd for prospects and go after Hanley Ramirez!
Please get Hanley, Big Ben
Did you mean
Hanley >>> Punto/Aviles?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Um I think you're putting those arrows in the wrong direction
Hanley is also way more expensive and is terrible there defensively. And just had a realllllly awful year last year.
Yes, obviously he’s a better player.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I always thought
“Point to the Little Guy” was better
by CelticPride on Jan 22, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
He also costs $15 million
Which isn’t immaterial—especially these days.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sox have intensified pursuit of Oswalt.
They should get him. 100%
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If this deal allows us to get Oswalt
I will be a happy camper.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
How is that username not taken?
Nice grab.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see ...
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
For future reference, the username “John Lackey” is also availible.
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Aha!
The mischievous possibilities abound.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 21, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I registered as "Tim McCarver" on Yahoo sports during the 2007 WS.
I found myself banned from Yahoo sports not long after, which was o..k. because I was having a really hard time coming up with content idiotic enough for people to believe I actually was Tim McCarver.
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by Tessie's Dad on Jan 22, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rather have floyd than Oswalt
but then again, rather have someone pitching as #4 than Padilla/Cook and the whole rest of AAAA guys we got
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify:
Should, as in “it’s ridiculous if after this they are still unable to”
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we will..
God I hope he works out. I can’t take another year missing the playoffs.
I assume Bard will go back to set up man when we get Oswalt
I'm sure he'll still have a shot at the rotation
we have tons of depth that can take over if he doesn’t look good at it in ST, but if he can actually succeed, that’s huge
but...
he could barely pitch 1 2/3 innings last year. How is he going to manage 5+? Even with conditioning
Getting stretched out is a very significant change.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
as is throwing 94-95 MPH instead of 98-99 every pitch.
as long as the location, movement, and control remain while adding the endurance factor, that’s a very solid SP.
Well, He's gonna try
And be given every opportunity to succeed at it, that’s for sure.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
not saying he'll stick
just saying that he is going to be given a shot at it. It’s a very different approach day to day. Being in the rotation also makes a big difference in resilience because he knows he only has to pitch/warm up/everything every 5 days.
No, he'll be in the mix for #5 with Cook, Padilla, Silva, et al.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Mortenson is part of the pending deal to get Floyd.
…trying to find some alternative to the more obvious “freeing up money” scenario. In either case, I’m OK with it.
Scoot was a helluva good, on and off the field, solid guy to have at SS, though.
If we dont like him
Why would they? Still makes little sense that the reason for this is trade. I think its to get Oswalt. Period
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sox to phase out the shortstop position.
Go to two shallow outfielders, two deep, and one 2B straight up the middle.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bobby V isn't Bill Belichick
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am now intrigued on the question of, would that even work?
How about not having a catcher when there is no one on base and having one at 2 strikes? Silly positioning speculating switch is ON
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
In other words,
You want the batter to intentionally swing and miss, then run to at least second?
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Thats why I said having one when there are two strikes
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I'm wrong, but....
I believe that Joe Maddon did something like that against us in an extra innings game at Fenway.
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Joe Maddon once played eight men behind home.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Baseball should implement a hockey-style penalty-box.
Argue with an umpire? Sit in the box for a half-inning. Bean an opposing player, you’re in the box for two.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bard signed reportedly on 1.6MM to avoid arb
#redsox signed Bard for $1.6125M, the mid-pt of his $1.825M request and team’s $1.4M offer http://t.co/yTHZHNjR via @WEEI
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:48 PM EST reply actions
Um...what?
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
there has been fans talking about maybe cole hamels deal
even though it doesnt make sense and none of the reliable reporters have even mentioned it
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Its just speculation done by fans rosterbating
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jan 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
just someones speculation
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Let's do the math:
The Sox could sign Oswalt at $8 million because they needed to clear salary. They dumped $5 million with Scutaro. Hamels makes $15 million this year and is a FA. So, the Sox would have to clear more money and trade players/prospects.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
*couldn't sign Oswalt
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
$6.5 million actually
Just checked.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Oh? It's a $6 million option...
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
No
$5 million and a $1.5 million buyout ($3 million option).
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
It was a $3 million player's option, $6 million team option.
We used ours.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
So, did we exercise a 6 million dollar option
and then trade it away…to save the 6 million dollars?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 22, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
We got a pitcher back
likely wouldn’t have gotten the pick for him.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
A pitcher that nobody likes.
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I'm not saying it was a good trade
Cherington still fails at this whole “baseball” thing.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
At least it's a guy with an option year left
maybe they see something or other in him that they like and want to have him as Pawtucket depth/try to develop it
If we didn't exercise the option we would have had to pay the $1.5m buyout
So we saved $1.5 million this way.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 22, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty convoluted way to save 1.5 mil.
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I'm guessing the thought was
that they’d exercise the option so that they could keep scoot around, and if they decide they don’t have the cash for him, there would definitely be someone that would take the salary. So no risk there. I doubt they had this particular deal in place or anything.
Because, if I remember, back at the beginning of the offseason, there was some question as to whether Scutaro’s option would be picked up.
Yep
My mistake
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I'm off....
And hopefully when I come back here, we will be talking about the Sox signing Oswalt or some kind of SP trade.
by greenlemonade102 on Jan 21, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions
So platoon at RF, SS, and C
team is/as/will be over the luxury tax anyhow correct?
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I think there are things going on financially that are not being reported by the team
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Would be so sad to dump Scutaro only to lose Oswalt to the Tigers
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 8:02 PM EST reply actions
I gotta think they have some kind of close-to-agreement before they pulled off the trade
god, I hope so
they must know they are getting someone
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
This is the Red Sox Wolf,
Dombrowski already got Oswalt, we just don’t know it yet.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
for what its worth
I’m a huge Aviles fan
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose I am as well
The one game I went to at Fenway last season, Aviles hit one off the monster, so I’m somewhat endeared to him.
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by Boston Red Sox on Jan 21, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Last time I can say it now
Scu Scu Scutaro
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Go trade Ells for Hanley
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that takes more money
and I’m not convinced that Hanley is a better player anymore than Ells. And then we would have zero outfielders.
buy low sell high
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yeah I think you're buying low on someone that might not be going that much higher again
and selling high on something that’ll probably still be a very good player
Hanley at 3rd next season
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rather give middlebrooks a shot
just because of the money difference. And then we’d still have Ells next year.
gotta get something for Ells
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We will get something for Ells
We should get two pretty good seasons and then draft picks.
by South Coast Ghost on Jan 21, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Middlebrooks to shortstop!
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Is this for Oswalt, Floyd, or Byrd/Ross?
If it’s not for a pitcher I’m gonna go kick Cherington in the nutsack.
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they wont get floyd
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
I could live with Floyd/Ross
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I'd actually be pretty happy with that
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
As could I.
Moreso than Oswalt/RFbycomitee.
by Anthony Emerson on Jan 21, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Cody Ross isn't particularly good.
He’s like Aviles or DMac with better splits vs. righties. But splits that aren’t as good against righties as Sweeney’s, so hell. Fewer moving pieces, but no big difference.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, DMac is a bit harsh to him.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
he's not terribly good
But I think his bat would look a lot better at Fenway than at the pars he’s hit in. But yeah, he’s not great.
I think Cherington's trying to get us used to having a shitty SS
So we actually think having Iglesias in the majors is a good thing.
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we're all expecting something in like the next 10 minutes
but it might take until, what? tomorrow maybe?
I think anything more than 24 hours would mean something didn’t go as expected.
by dennet on Jan 21, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Might hold it for the post-AFCCG cycle.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Who the hell is spreading the Hamels "rumor"?
Are people so gullible nowadays that all you need is a couple Twitter hashtags on a made up statement and it becomes a hot topic? Screw it I’m going to start my own.
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by L33to II on Jan 21, 2012 8:09 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Fuck, here comes the flood.
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KING FELIX COMIN' TO FENWAY!!!111!11one
It’s a fact!! A writer tweeted it!
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I'm seeing pound symbols and the word "hashtag"
and all I can think about are phones and pot…must be a generational thing
Let me be the only guy here who predicts 20 HR's from Aviles this season
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Somewhere in Boston, Sean O is smiling.
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Why can't he do both?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I find there's some reasonable correlation, actually.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on whether or not my defense
Lets up their standard one goal on one shot.
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Sean has to get up early tomorrow
City is playing Spurs at 8:30 AM.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I have work tomorrow
so I’m sleeping as late as I can. Plus, with how we’re playing, I fear a Spurs matchup.
Everything Must Go.
Should be a good game
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by Drugs Delaney on Jan 21, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be more confident
With half our team not injured or away on international leave.
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98% this is a joke
but I saw this on twitter:
#scutaro traded to #colarado. Looks like #punto will be in the lineup more often now. Shows that the #redsox have confidence in Jed #lowre
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Jed Lowre is one of our best young stars.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 21, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Well, weird
Unfortunately life things are too odd at this point for me to formulate an opinion.
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Everybody keeps talking about odd year Beckett
How about even year Aviles?
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I can't imagine anyone actually trusts Aviles to not suck
….right? Because he sucks?
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I'm going to miss saying Scoot and Scu Scu Scutaro :(
He seemed happy with the Sox but eh if the Sox can get someone like Oswalt, I’ll be fine again.
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Every single person who ever sang that fucking song at fenway
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Ouch
I won’t sing it anymore then
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how much the Buc's signing of Bedard screwed up our offseason plan
I wonder if they envisioned signing Bedard, a bunch of minor league options, and trying Bard out as a starter and feeling pretty good about the rotation until July.
I don't understand why a salary dump like this isn't followed directly by an acquisition that explains it
Shouldn’t you wait to do this until you have a deal in place?
That would make sense...
… hence why its not happening.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 22, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Return
Like some earlier posters, I`m a little surprised they couldn`t get more value for Scutaro. His offensive numbers should go up in Colorado and 2nd base will be less a strain on his arm and range.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Cherrington surely got bent over a barrell in this deal.
There is no excuse for a terrible deal like this. We weren’t trying to dump Alfonso Soriano or John Lackey.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hey..
…that SS with the .849 second half OPS last year? Send him to Colorado for fucking nothing.
Done.
I think this offseason is making me physically ill.
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Another bonehead move by Cherington
It’s not because Aviles/Punto are a downgrade from Scutaro — though Scutaro has been an above-average shortstop every year he’s started while Aviles has done little for three years and Punto is a backup.
It’s not because Oswalt is 34, lost more than 1 mph on his fastball last year and missed some time because of injury — he’s still has more upside than risk if the price isn’t too high.
It’s because when you trade, you should expect to get at least as much value back as you gave up, and Cherington just gave away a consistent, above-average shortstop for a nothing pitcher. And he did do to create salary space by trading away a player in Scutaro who was producing more value than what he was being paid.
Cherington better smarten up quick. He’s in a division competing against the deepest pockets in baseball and two of the smartest organizations in the Rays and Blue Jays.
Fucking terrible.
Can’t even elaborate on this right now.
Regardless of how much sense it did or didn't make...
This team is becoming less and less likable. I just don’t see this collection of players turning into a team. I know some of you don’t care if a player is likable or think team chemistry matters much too baseball. Scoot has been a solid gritty player and I will miss him.
by JonnyJumpUp on Jan 22, 2012 7:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
that's probably in large part cuz you haven't seen much of the players that are coming in
I think Punto is pretty likeable, Bailey is really likeable for a closer at least, and if they get Oswalt, he’s a fun guy to watch as well. I’m not sure you can quantify chemistry like that until you actually get the players on the field together.
Yeah, though Scoot was good to have around. I Just think that pitching is a bigger need.
True enough but it always hurts to see a player you like go
I also think team chemistry is a bigger part of the game than most. Mentality is a huge part of baseball. See the Rays who always play with a chip on their shoulder, 04 Sox is a good example too.
by JonnyJumpUp on Jan 22, 2012 1:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's Valentine: he wants Iglesias
….he cant function w/o a SS who fields and cant hit a lick.
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wolfie:
your sarcasto-meter needs adjusting
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
haha oh, ok, sorry
I thought it was a Rey Ordonez reference. I had forgotten how much Valentine didn’t like Rey Ordonez.
Iglesias would be a great SS for this team
I don’t think anyone is worrying about scoring runs. Iglesias will be a wiz defensively. Even if he hits .200, his defensive skills and the upgrade over Scutaro would be great for this team. Especially if Cook ends up the 5th starter.
He won't hit .200
he’ll barely manage .100
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
If he can't hit .100 nobody will give him a shot in the future.
so… ever.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I think they start the season with Aviles/Punto
but by July, Iglesias will be this team’s SS. IMO, Oswalt + Iglesias is better for this team then Scutaro + (Insert terrible replacement level pitcher)
by baseball2515 on Jan 22, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Iglesias. Can't. Hit.
There is not reason whatsoever that he should be on our major league roster. I don’t care how good his glove is. One every nine plate appearances will be by Jose Iglesias. And it will end in an out. Maybe two. Jarrod Saltalamacchia will be the most intentionally walked player in Major League Baseball.
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Jose Iglesias
first ever MLB player to hit into a quadruple play.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Fixed:
Jose Iglesias
first ever MLB player to strike out into a quadruple play.
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Fixed:
Iglesias would be a great SS for this team if he wasn’t forced to bat.
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Did anyone else notice
that Sean O had just said very complimentary things about Marco Scutaro, and now he’s gone??
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Maybe the Red Sox front office uses him as an adverse indicator?
That would explain a lot, actually.
Because I was wrong
Everything Must Go.
by Sean O on Jan 22, 2012 3:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well this is a little frustrating
I moved to DC in 2009 & started cheering for the Nats my new NL team. Each year I see the front office making smart moves slowly building a competitive club in a tough NLEast. Meanwhile, back in Fenway since that time my life long team seems to be regressing to the loveable losers I cheered for year in and year but just could never pull it together except in 04&07…
Well, I will reserve judgement on Cherington until the end of this year – based upon his recent moves. With the new CBA, the rules are changing and maybe he has some new crazy way of doing business that I am too stupid to figure out.
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The Nats are definitely looking like an organization headed in the right direction.
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Hey man, I just heard about Joe Pa at noon
Awful that it had to happen this way, I kind of feel like that coaching job was all that was keeping him going.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
It certainly feels that way.
Never thought it would end this way for him. Sad to see him go.
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It's terrible that it ended like this.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
This second shoe has a crazy aversion to gravity...
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The other shoe
Better be something damn good… and SOON! :)
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 22, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Although I suspect
that even if it were done, it won’t be announced until after the Patriots game is done.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 22, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I Can't believe he missed that FG
Happy, but can’t believe it. That was…. monumentally bad. And considering the rest of the game was monumentally bad….. that’s saying something.
by Rick Bentsen on Jan 22, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Pats are going to the Super Bowl,
so my mom’s happy, and Brady completely shit the bed, so yet again I am vindicated. Win-Win, I guess.
Until Tommy Boy blows it against the Giants…again.
Everything Must Go.
I hope it's not the Giants
I don’t want to be told how the Giants beat the Patriots constantly for two weeks.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
You mean when Brady completely eats it?
He’s terrible. He’s already imploded like a dying star.
Everything Must Go.
I was talking about 2007 actually
if the Giants win that’s all anyone will talk about.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
You mean single-handedly cause
the most painful loss of my life, and the biggest choke in sports history?
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How did he cause that?
All I remember is a near sack on third down followed by a ridiculous throw and catch.
Funny
I remember the sudden implosion of a world-class offensive line that wasn’t fixed until this year, a completely useless second cornerback, and the first one failing to make a freebie interception that would’ve ended things.
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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 23, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Which if Rodney Harrison had simply blown him up would never have been made.
So, you’ve got a strong safety known for killer hits, and he goes for the pick on that play?? WTF!!
Okay, we’re going to get me going on this like the Hanley Ramirez deal.
However, I don’t agree that Brady choked the 2007 Super Bowl away.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Biggest choke in sports history?
Doesn’t that award go to the 2004 Yankees?
by Fromalabama on Jan 22, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, yes, yes!
A thousand times YES!!!
Always, and forever… even if the Bruins choked away to the Flyers, it wasn’t the ALCS against their archrivals.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
You know what's beautiful?
I had literally forgotten that the Bruins did that until I read that.
The pats won.
Cheer up or go fuck yourself.
by JonnyJumpUp on Jan 22, 2012 9:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its hard to tell you enjoy sports at all.
Seems like you’d be happier rooting for the pirates and the phins at least you know they are going to be bad.
by JonnyJumpUp on Jan 22, 2012 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude, get over yourself or get the fuck out.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoy good sports
Not one that encourages the illiterate to destroy their grey matter for the pleasure of cheering, drunken yokels.
Everything Must Go.
Don't you watch Aussie rules?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Aussie Rules is, paradoxically, less violent
even with no padding or helmets. The sport doesn’t encourage such ridiculous tackles as throwlump. Plus, unlike the NFL, there’s constant action and movement and athleticism, not the obese bumping into each other before head-to-head collisions, followed by 3 minutes of waiting for the next play.
Everything Must Go.
I understand
I’m a fencing/belegarth participant, and despite both sports being essentially wailing on eachother with long sticks, there are relatively few injuries.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
People still get hurt, sometimes quite badly
but nobody has ever been paralyzed for life during Spring Wars in the 45 years it’s existed.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
It being Belegarth.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
So you don't actually enjoy the sport
But are passionate enough about it for that to be the most painful loss?
by JonnyJumpUp on Jan 22, 2012 10:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I used to love the Pats
but then Mr. Bundchen’s massive implosion, aka the biggest choke in sports history, made me lose interest in the Pats. Without the Pats, I realized what a toxic, disgraceful, stupid sport throwlump is, especially compared to the other football codes.
…Well, Rugby is still pretty nonsensical, but soccer and aussie are excellent.
Everything Must Go.
Until your favorite team fails brilliantly and you move onto the next sport?
by JonnyJumpUp on Jan 22, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Only when that sport is idiotic
I still like Basketball even though the Celtics lost a game 7 to the Lakers. Fortunately, tommy boy helped me see that throwlump is not for me.
Everything Must Go.
I have to stop you there
the NFL is idiotic but the NBA, a sport that bends the rules so that they don’t apply to certain players, isn’t?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of a long NBA career,
NBA players are not broken down senile husks. Yes, the NBA is only a step about the WWE in terms of reality, but the NFL’s longstanding refusal to do anything about concussions, and NCAA football’s disgusting… everything make it worse.
Everything Must Go.
If a team is dumping salary and won’t spend money to compete, drop ticket prices. I won’t be at games and spend my money to support a team that won’t try to improve.
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Are they?
They need to dump payroll. That doesn’t seem like a team trying to win. Meanwhile, we don’t have a SS
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
There is spending money
and then spending money to compete. Where are they spending the money? Not on winning players. Instead they dump the winning players
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
How in Allah's name is that different?
They’ve spent money to compete, very poorly. Now we don’t have any more money to spend. Ben isn’t spending money that will hamper us next year, when we may have a slight chance to compete.
I don’t get how this is so difficult.
Everything Must Go.
of course
They are in no way obligated to go over a set payroll, just as you are in no way obligated to attend games and purchase Sox paraphenalia…….free market enterprise
Exactly
I decided it wasn’t worth my time, money or effort to attend games this year, so I’m not. I’ll support them by watching NESN and maybe attending a game or two. But last year i purchased about 15 bad experiences, so it’s no longer worth it to me.
Everything Must Go.
Maybe after the Front Office gets cleaned out.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
thank god!!!!
That is +15 wins right then and there! That is, if we can assume that the “Curse of the Watching Sean” does not apply when he watches on TV.
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by mmmmm on Jan 23, 2012 2:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If they won't spend the money to win, why should they expect us?
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
They are spending a LOT of money to win, for one thing
And for another…because we like baseball? Because we like the Boston Red Sox? Because we’re fans?
How do we expect this team to win
without a shortstop?
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
We literally do not have a SS
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
ehhhhhh
I’m not confident in this team at all.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jan 22, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Until they sign another starter, I'm not thrilled with their chances to beat the MFY and Rays either
But I hardly think they won’t be competitive or they aren’t trying to win. They’re just handicapped by the last few bad deals of Theo.
Right
they won’t be competitive because Theo and the rest of the front office are stupid, not because the owners are cheap.
Everything Must Go.
I think they'll be competitive still
And I can’t judge Cherington one way or the other at this point, but yeah, the owners aren’t cheap.
He's been airdropped into an impossible spot
But I still have yet to see a move that makes any sense. Several made sense in a vacuum, but for what we need, so far it’s been a tepid, bewildering offseason.
More bullpen arms!!!
Everything Must Go.
Personally, I see the years of control as the big reason to acquire Melanon and Bailey
Along with assuming that Lowrie, Reddick, etc. will never amount to much.
Trading Lowrie and then Scutaro is weird, and makes me wonder if Cherington is being jerked around a little by ownership on the money he’s able to spend.
It has some eerie parallels to the last time he was in charge
Trade our shortstop of the future who is blocked by our big-money SS, and then trade our big-money SS, leaving nobody.
Years of control are good, but relief is SO not where our focus should be. You need to have a good team to care about relief, since there will rarely be a late-inning lead with this friggin’ roster.
Everything Must Go.
If the team leans as heavily on him as it's looking right now
I bet he presses and gets hurt.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 22, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Man, I saw Lester so infrequently this year
Lackey and Matsuzaka in droves, even a Buchholz and a Weiland start thrown in. My homeboy Jonny, barely anything.
Everything Must Go.
Yes, yes
Welcome to the dark side miss.
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Aviles could put up numbers equivalent to Scutaro
Yeah we could have, and should have gotten more for Marco, but its hardly the end of the world.
As I stated above:
Stolen from Joy of Sox via the miracle of copy & paste:
Punto started a whopping six games at shortstop last year and 31 games in 2010. Aviles has not played the position regularly since 2009.
This "Aviles is as good as Scutaro" talk is meritless in my estimation.
I’m not anti-Aviles in any way, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves with Aviles=Scutaro, but younger. Allan’s post just previous talked of how much he was enjoying right field…what an awesome mess we’ve made.
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well, I think that Aviles can provide similar OFFENSIVE production to Scutaro
though in a different way- certainly doesn’t have Scutaro’s knack for contact and strike zone judgement, but at Fenway, will probably have more power.
Defensively, I think he’s probably gonna be far behind. I think likely we’ll see Aviles starting most of the time and Punto in at the end of most games.
Lots of excitement going on in the world of the Ex-Sox
Cabrera retires
Eckstein retiring/or not
Lugo brought in by Cleveland on a minor league deal
Pena signing for another stint with the Rays
A’s looking at Manny as a DH
Orioles trying out Dennys Reyes
Piniero gets a minor league deal with Philly
Millwood heading to Seattle
Scutaro
I am a long time die-hard Red Sox fan but this is as dumb a move as trading Nomar away in ’04
Not a smart move Ben
I'm not sure if he knows what he just did there...
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It makes it better.
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