The Compensation Negotiations: A Logjam In Eight Acts
The Red Sox and Cubs have had some trouble getting together on compensation for the Red Sox loss of Theo Epstein. They've been talking for months now with no results. This might be how it went:
* * *
[phone rings]
Ben: Hello?
Theo: Hey Ben. How ya doing?
Ben: Hi Theo. Doing alright. Settling in. Yourself?
Theo: Just fine. Just fine. This whole Chicago thing is kinda weird. I mean, tomato sauce above the cheese?
Ben: [long pause] Um, ha.
Theo: Well, I guess we should get down to business then, huh?
Ben: Yeah. What were you thinking?
Theo: Well, the whole thing is a bit awkward. I mean, if you deserve compensation for losing me, then it can’t be much because I was terrible.
Ben: Are you kidding? You won two World Series here in Boston.
Theo: I was lucky.
Ben: You signed Ortiz, Millar, and Mueller.
Theo: Blind luck.
Ben: You traded for Schilling and signed Foulke.
Theo: Luckity luck luck luck.
Ben: Listen, Theo, luck or not, you were hugely successful. And look at us now. I mean, I’m totally in over my head without you here. I’m giving up potential starters for bullpen arms right and left. I’m about to spend $16 million on a 36 year old DH and the only thing stopping me from giving him even more is that I’m too afraid to actually talk to him. I frequently pee in the coffee maker. Even right now, just talking to you, I’m terrified.
Theo: You’ll be fine, Ben. You guys don’t need me at all. I was just dragging you down anyway.
Ben: Ridiculous. Well, anyway, let’s see what we can do about this compensation thing.
Theo: Alright. Do you have something in mind?
Ben: Yup.
Theo: Name it.
Ben: Starlin Castro.
Theo: [laughs] That's ridiculous.
Ben: OK, fine. What were you thinking?
Theo: Um, how about this half eaten bag of Skittles. I ate all the red ones out, but…
Ben: No way! We just lost the best GM in the game. We need compensation for our loss.
Theo: No, you lost an incompetent boob who used to poo in the janitor's closet.
Ben: Let's just talk about this later.
* * *
Ben: Hello?
Theo: Hey Ben. I think you should extend Crawford.
Ben: What?
Theo: In my professional opinion you should extend Crawford. That’s what I’d do if I was there. And Lackey. I’d give him a signing bonus, too.
Ben: No you wouldn’t.
Theo: I would too! And I’d trade for Carlos Lee!
Ben: Stop it.
Theo: And Sign Prince Fielder to pitch!
Ben: [hangs up]
* * *
Theo: Hello?
Ben: [breathing]
Theo: Hello?
Ben: [breathing]
Theo: Hello?
Ben: [breathing]
Theo: Ben! If Larry has everyone in the office hogtied and is naked holding a banana to your head, say "I agree a pack of Chiclets is adequate compensation!"
Ben: [quietly] I agree a pack of Chiclets is adequate compensation"
Theo: A small pack.
Ben: [hangs up]
Theo: Ben! Ben! Hello? [phone rings]
* * *
Theo: Hello?
Ben: Hello?
Theo: Hello? Hello? I can hardly hear you, Ben.
Ben: You’re holding the phone upside down.
Theo: What?
Ben: You’re holding the phone upside down.
Theo: WHAT?!
Ben: [hangs up]
* * *
Theo: [phone rings] Hello?
Ben: Matt Garza [hangs up]
* * *
[phone rings]
Ben: What.
Theo: I stole office supplies.
Ben: Huh?
Theo: You have no pencils. Or paper clips!
Ben: You gotta be kidding me.
Theo: Not in all of Fenway!
Ben: Sheesh…
Theo: All your post-it notes have Xs on them!
Ben: *sigh*
Theo: I stole once I’ll steal again!! I’m a thief!
Ben: [hangs up]
* * *
[phone rings]
Ben: Hello?
Theo: Hi Ben.
Ben: Hi Theo.
Theo: Still trying to prove you’re in over your head and the organization is lost without me?
Ben: Still trying to prove you’re bad at your job and therefore worthless?
Theo: Look, I’m not proud of the way I’ve behaved, but I’m ready to talk.
Ben: You know? Me too. I’m sorry.
Theo: I’m sorry too.
Ben: OK. I was thinking about minor leaguers… [sniff] what’s that smell? Smells like burning…
Theo: Your office is on fire! There are too many plugs in the wall socket! I’m irresponsible!
* * *
[phone rings]
Bud: Hello?
Theo: Hi, Mr. Selig
Ben: Hello, sir.
Bud: Hi, boys. Busy busy busy. What can I help you with?
Theo: Compensation, sir.
Ben: Yeah. We both agreed there should be some, but we just can’t seem to agree on what it should be.
Bud: Well state your cases, boys.
Theo: I think Ben is over-valuing me and my contributions to the Red Sox. I’m just a GM and a bad one who steals office supplies at that. There is no way I’m worth a top prospect.
Ben: And I think Theo is under-valuing himself. He is possibly the most important GM in baseball since Branch Rickey and certainly the best in Boston baseball history. He’s probably a Hall of Famer. There is no way he isn’t worth a top prospect.
Bud: Boys, boys, boys… Listen. When I was younger, my great grandfather Horace Selig founded this used car dealership right after getting off the boat from Romania. Back then he couldn’t afford cars, so he sold boxes with the tops cut off and cardboard wheels glued on the sides and called them Cars. The great people of Milwaukee didn’t know any better and ate ‘em up. He worked hard and eventually worked his way up to selling actual cars, used Pontiacs with different colored doors and smashed odometers that he’d pieced together at the junk yard. The great people of Milwaukee had never seen a color scheme like that and bought ‘em quicker than my great grandfather could piece ‘em. Then he worked even harder and got hit by a bus. A big one. Knocked his head clean off.
Ben: Uh, that doesn’t exactly answer our question.
Bud: Yup. Theo, give him a pie or something. And never call here again. Dammit, I need a sponge bath. Denise! [hangs up]
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Glorious.
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It wouldn't be a Matt Kory article without poop jokes.
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Only one of them!
I held back.
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by Matthew Kory on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Added in a pee pee joke to make up for it.
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From a Cubs fan...
…well done.
But seriously, how about a full bag of Skittles?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Just take Crawford and Lackey
You guys are rebuilding, if they bounce back you can trade them for prospects.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
How about you line up a good haul of prospects...
…we’ll give you Garza and consider that compensation? Keep in mind our starting point with the Tigers was Turner…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I'd rather be rid of Crawford and Lackey.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
You guys want Alfonso Soriano?
We’ll even pay most of the contract. Just take him. Please. PLEASE.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 19, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Sori would hit 25+ homers...
…and probably 90 RBI’s in the Sox lineup. Depending on how much of the contract the Cubs are willing to eat, he might make a nice addition to an AL team.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I don't care if he gets 100 RBIs
if he doesn’t get on base more than 34% of the time.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 19, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Listen, if you love Sori so much
You should keep him.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 19, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
So you're saying if...
…you were a contending AL team that needed a DH and the Cubs were willing to eat 75% of the contract (this as been the rumor), you wouldn’t take Sori?
The Cubs are not contending, nor in the AL, and we can’t hide him in the DH role. So for the Cubs, I don’t love him.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
75%? No way
that would imply that as a DH, he’s worth a 3 year commitment of $3.5 million/year as a DH. He’s not.
Plus, we already have a DH. Quite a good one. Probably the best one, really.
So, Soriano would leave us $12 million for a SP?
Damn… if only…
Nah, still rather have Big Papi.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
In the article above that I linked...
Which immodestly was written by me, I laid out the reasons why Soriano could be useful to a very select number of teams, but probably just the Orioles, and even that is potentially ill-advised. Even with most of the contract eaten.
Also, the Red Sox have David Ortiz.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
At first I was kidding about the Sox taking Sori.
But the comment you’re responding to was to be taken seriously. I’m not suggesting the Sox are a good fit for Sori. I’m just saying he might actually be a good fit if you are an AL team that needs a DH and willing to take on 25% of his contract.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
problem is
someone that needed a DH could get say Vlad, Matsui, or Damon as a DH for less money on a one-year deal. None of those guys had the power of Soriano in 2011, but they’re all closer to productive offensive seasons than he is, probably for $2 million or less on a one-year deal.
My conclusion in the piece on Sori
Was basically that the Orioles or whoever would be better off trying someone new rather than seeing if Sori (or even one of the above suggested by wolf) would do it. They are known quantities, and the known won’t help the O’s out in their position.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 19, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly... yes.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Let's Trade Bad Contracts
We’ll take Soriano and Garza but the Cubs have to take Lackey and we’ll throw in a prospect or two. Sounds like a deal to me!
What if they took the Crawford contract too?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
Deadline
So has any sort of time frame for Selig`s decision been set?
Using Bud Selig's previous precedents
He should decide sometime before 2017.
by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
He'll probably just declare it a tie.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til THIS year!
To answer your real actual legitimate question...
No. None that I’ve heard of.
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by Matthew Kory on Jan 19, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions

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