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2012 Red Sox Top Prospect Voting: Let's Get This Thing Started

Exactly one year ago today, we tossed out the 2010 list of top prospects and began anew. These were the results:

1. Ryan Kalish, OF

2. Anthony Ranaudo, RHP

3. Jose Iglesias, SS

4. Felix Doubront, LHP

5. Drake Britton, LHP

6. Ryan Lavarnway, C

7. Stolmy Pimentel, RHP

8. Lars Anderson, 1B

9. Kolbrin Vitek, 3B

10. Josh Reddick, OF

11. Ryan Westmoreland, OF

12. Yamaico Navarro, SS

13. Che-Hsuan Lin, OF

14. Oscar Tejeda, 2B

15. Garin Cecchini, SS

16. Junichi Tazawa, RHP

17. Brandon Workman, RHP

18. Luis Exposito, C

19. Sean Coyle, 2B

20. Juan Carlos Linares, OF

I've already taken a look back at the year-gone-by for these guys, and there were some mixed results. We could well be looking at a completely new top-5, with many of the top candidates not so much as making the list last year.

Last year's system of voting seemed to work fairly well. I'll give you guys names in the comments sections, and you rec the guy you want. If you've got someone in mind who I haven't included, then you can start that thread yourself, and I'll rec it in order to make up for your vote (since you can't rec your own comment).

Just to be clear: your rec is your vote. You can post for discussion, but votes that are only comments will not be counted.

Based on popular demand, Ryan Kalish will be considered eligible, Ryan Westmoreland will not.

Vote away!

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Tough choice, but I have to go Bogaerts

Not impressed with Middlebrooks enough to have him as #1, and I think Bogaerts has all the makings of being something special.

by Sologub on Jan 16, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

While XB no doubt has the highest ceiling in the system

I think it’d be premature to rank him 1st as he’s only accumulated 296 PA above rookie league ball. Had to go with WMB, although Lavarnway is most definitely in the conversation as well for me. Just feel like WMB’s ceiling is higher than Lavarnway’s.

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by The Duke of Silver on Jan 16, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's tough

I think WMB’s floor is far lower too. My expected outcome for Will is that he ends up as a decent regular that ends up having a couple BABIP fueled seasons that put him in the All-Star conversation. With Lavarnway I’ve seen enough that my expectation is an All-Star caliber player in any year whether at C (where I think he can play for a few years like VMart) or at 1B/DH. With Bogaerts his ceiling is an MVP level infielder but his floor is also the lowest at this point too, if he repeats his 2011 at a higher level this year, he’d move ahead of the other two for me.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 16, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, it's about the tools

Lavarnway has definitely had more success than WMB, but I don’t hold minor league numbers to be king when evaluating prospects. WMB still has to work on pitch recognition and his K/BB rates are a little alarming, but if he can work on that he could round out into a consistently plus offensive contributor with plus defense at third. He has a very good swing and generates a lot of power; if he can cut down on the strikeouts, he should be able to hit for a decent average and walk rate along with his plus power.

Lavarnway, on the other hand, has consistently produced but is not brimming with tools. I doubt his ability to play first, so I see him really as a C/DH type. I believe he can work up to a mediocre/average defender behind the plate, and that would be fine if the Sox get a defense-first backup catcher. I would imagine Lavarnway will only catch 3-4 times a week during his peak seasons, with the other days off or at DH. I wouldn’t really be surprised if Lavarnway ends up as a three true outcomes hitter, although he might be able to hit for a solid average (.270-.280 range).

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by The Duke of Silver on Jan 16, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's clearly Bogaerts.

As an 18 year old, he showed an advanced approach, putting up a respectable walk rate of 8.4%. He struggled with the breaking ball, which can be expected, given that this was only his second season of pro ball. He currently is playing more than a competent level of defense at SS, a premium position.

As for his power, let me put something into perspective. As an 18-year-old, his ISO was .249. This is simply unheard of. That number is higher than any other 18 year old at low-A ball this year, including Bryce Harper (.236), Manny Machado (.211) and Jurickson Profar (.209). In fact, this is the highest ISO of any 18-year-old (or younger) at low A since Adrian Beltre (.279) and Mike Stanton (.318… WOW). Given that Harper is the top prospect in the game and that Machado is still top 10, we’ve got something exciting on our hands.

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by LesterJohn on Jan 16, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This. It was a gift from the Gods to be able to watch him in Greenville this past year.

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by GameSox on Jan 17, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just going to go out and say I think Bogaerts is a better prospect than Middlebrooks.

I think he’s certainly the better prospect when you compare him to Lavarnaway.

Not to take from him, but Lavarnaway isn’t the top prospect in our system, I think he’s definitely 2 or 3, but not 1.

Bogaerts could really be something special. I want to mash him and Iglesias together.

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by outofleftfield on Jan 17, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't

because there’s a decent chance we end up with someone who has Xander’s glove and Jose’s bat, and then what do you do?

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Bogaerts

Clearly #1

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by Lloyd Christmas on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta go with Mr. Lavarnway here.

Middlebrooks and Bogaerts are right behind him, but ultimately neither of them are assured anything. I think Lavarnway’s career so far as paralleled that of Victor Martinez, if he can stick at catcher, which I really think he will, it isn’t hard to see his 25-30+ HR potential bat making a couple All-Star games. It’s more of a stretch for me to see Middlebrooks doing that and Bogaerts is so far away from the pros it’s hard for me to put his upside over either of the AAA candidates.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup, that's why I went with Lavarnway too.

I realize Bogaerts might have the higher upside, but a lot can happen between where he is at 18 and where he is when he breaks into MLB.

On the otherhand, I expect Lavarnway to not only be the next prospect to contribute to the Sox (before Kalish, even), I expect him to be a VMart caliber C (without the switchhitting or speed – right/ VMart used to steal bases when he was younger, right?) with good power.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Conor Duffy on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

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Click actions

Then click rec. It sometimes looks live you’ve flagged, but you haven’t, just refresh the page, it’ll be there.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

On the basis that he is the most

talented, at a premium position, among those who will make the jump this year and probably 2013, Despite potential at the lower levels, Lava is potentially ready right now for a ROY level 30+HR/30+%CS season. Can’t put him lower than those who are much farther away despite their potential.

by GerryT on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

gotta go for him

closest to majors ready. It was a decision between him and Middlebrooks for me- and while Middlebrooks’ defense sounds great, his K and BB numbers don’t seem to improve and it seems to me like he lives and dies with his very-large BABIP. Got more faith in Lavarnway to be in a lineup more often- whether that’s as a catcher, a DH, or he has to learn first and do a VMart-type thing, I don’t know.

by wolf9309 on Jan 16, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Lavarnway = Super Stud

If he gets the ABs, will be in the conversation for ROY

by baseball2515 on Jan 16, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The bat plays ...

… and reports on the defense indicate modest improvement from a non-abysmal level (itself and improvement). His reasonable ceiling is a Napoli-type and his reasonable floor is a .250/.350/.465 DH with 25-35 HR power – and he’s not too far from either. The closeness to the majors and the premium position are what recommends him over Bogaerts and Middlebrooks for me.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 16, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ERR

“itself and improvement”

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 16, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If a reasonable ceiling is Napoli

Lavarnway should be one of the top prospects in all of baseball. Mike Scoscia’s Tragic Inability to like Napoli aside, he is probably in the top five of catchers in baseball and maybe number 1. If Lavarnway can match that , the Sox are very very lucky to have him. I think it is possible, but I think V-Mart is more of a reasonable comp- good enough to catch regularly but not much on D. That isn’t Napoli, whatever the Angel brass might think

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by Mattsullivan on Jan 16, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I think that Napoli's formerly underrated defense has now become overrated....

…but yeah, I think a V-Mart comp as a reasonable ceiling is probably a better one. Good call. This still makes him a top 50 to 75-ish prospect, but I think that’s appropriate for a plus offensive “catch enough” guy.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Upon reflection...

… maybe a top 75-150ish. I have questions about how many years that big a guy sticks behind the plate (assuming he gets there – ah, prospects).

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

How much did he play at C for the Rangers?

I sort of felt like he was moved around to keep his bat in the line up, but not enough to consider him a top 5 catcher.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Another one for Lavarnway here

More potential to be a good hitter in the big leagues. In my opinion…

by Roberto Perez Lopez on Jan 16, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Middlebrooks it is.

I can see voting ceiling for Bogaerts, but he’s so far away, and I’d rather vote for a guy with very good tools who’s fairly close than a guy with great tools and a decent chance of totally flaming out.

by abbreviatedman on Jan 16, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Lavarnway is crushing Middlebrooks...

despite serious questions about whether he can even adequately field his position. Sheesh.

by John Leary on Jan 16, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No there aren't.

There are, at best, vague questions because of the midseason jump to AAA that resulted in a pretty mediocre line at AAA. He’s been improving every year, and has great bat speed.

by Maeamian on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

sure there are

he has fairly obvious plate discipline issues and a very high BABIP that really isn’t justified by his batted ball profile. Certainly he’s improved in the recognition regard, but it’s not a sure thing that he’s going to be a major league level hitter- whereas Lavarnway has a bat that pretty well guarantees that he will be a major league player- even if he can’t adequately play catcher.

by wolf9309 on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I have a question

How long do we really believe WMB will be in a Boston uniform? One, two, three years at the outside? Both Bogaerts and Cecchini have higher ceilings than WMB, and if they’re raking in AAA in two years, I don’t see WMB being long for the Sox.

This doesn’t change his prospect ranking with me, I was just wondering what everyone thought.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

My thought as well

I don’t really see it as a problem per se (and neither do you, if I’m reading correctly), but I think he replaces Youk at third either when he slides into DH role or the Sox let him go elsewhere and then he (WMB) becomes a trade chip in a few years when Bogaerts or Cecchini are ready for a call-up. If he pans out, a very valuable trade chip (plus defense/plus offense 3B with three years or so of team control).

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I don't see it as a problem

If Bogaerts pans out, I see it as trading Chase Headley so you can let Evan Longoria play.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A problem with your analogy:

There’s no evidence that Bogaerts is a gigantic douche.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jan 17, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine then

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha!

Another chuckle today, for one of your posts. Nicely done.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

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by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

His name is "Xander Bogaerts"

I’m pretty sure that’s actually evidence that he’s a cool guy.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

How serious are those questions?

I liked what I saw last year.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 16, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He looked competent last year in the two games he caught.

But the book on him is that it’s still far from a lock that he can play the position. Hence giving him this year at Triple A.

Middlebrooks has improved at the plate ever year. I may certainly be mistaken, but my impression was always that he’s a plus player defensively, with maybe not a “Sox” caliber bat. Last year was a big step forward, we’ll see if he can hold the power.

by John Leary on Jan 16, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're reading the old book.

A lot of scouts said when he was called up in 2011 that he’d worked hard to improve his defense, and looked much better at AAA.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

As I said below. BA and Sox Prospects both still consider him a question mark at catcher DESPITE improvements.

by John Leary on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said, I think it's a case of momentum and psychology

When you’re looking for bad, that’s all you’ll see.. I’ve watched him play, he can field the position.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was solely responding to the idea that I'm reading the old book.

Not what you’ve suggested.

In response to you’re charge that it’s reputation trumping talent, what detailed observations do you have that contrast those put forward by virtually every outlet?

by John Leary on Jan 17, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, one of the guys from BB comment on Lavarnway's defense just 5 days ago.

I’m not going to suggest that Lavarnway can’t prove the critics wrong, but I think we can drop the that act scouting reports from 2009 are what’s keeping his prospects down.

His defense is not good. I’ve seen Lavarnway a number of times. He’s slow and doesn’t move well or block well but he’s not terrible at anything as much as he is below average across the board. His arm strength is below average as well and the footwork leading to it isn’t pretty or quick but he’s pretty damn accurate and I’ve seen him throw out fast baserunners… makes me shake my head.

Ultimately, I think Lavarnway is probably overexposed as a full time catcher, but if you can spread him around a bit and pick your spots he can be a good major league

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by John Leary on Jan 18, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting... hadn't seen that detailed analysis lately.

Still, below average defense across the board… that’s what you get out of VMart too, right? And even if his arm strength is below average and footwork isn’t pretty or quick, but he gets fast baserunners out… something’s working, right?

At the end of the day, I think this is what we all see… a below average defensive catcher, with power and plate discipline that is rare for the position. I still think he’s got VMart potential, and may eventually look more like a 1B/DH, but the value he offers as a C three or four times a week with that bat is a top prospect in my book.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The scouts won’t note that his CS% was 37% this season, a number that has gone up every single year, a number that would be 5th or 6th in all of baseball last season. Or that the number of passed balls per game has gone from .40 in 2009, to .21 in 2010 to .11 in 2011. Maybe he doesn’t look great doing it, the way a scout would like to say, but he does it.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

He's the Tim Tebow of catchers.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 18, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, you started it.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 18, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

And you took it too far.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck

He’s the catching version of Tim Tebow.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 18, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Weird, SBNation's been acting screwy for me today.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 18, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the the thing

Now in 2012, I don’t think the statements made about his defense in 2009 or 2010 are valid. If you’ve listened close over the last season or two, the reports have become much more positive than negative. He can likely field at an adequate level now, he’s put in a lot of work. His bat lowers the threshold of adequate even further in his favor.

Middlebrooks has serious questions about his bat at a major league level and in an offensive oriented league, I think they may be harder to overcome.

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 16, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry Mr. Ranaudo, I think we'll be able to get you in the Top-5

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by GameSox on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I have him at 6 or 7

He just had kind of a disappointing year.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it might be a bit unfair to him

Given that he was coming off injury and entering his first year facing the rigors of professional baseball. He actually had a really strong debut in Greenville before tapering off in Salem, but even there he was decent given the post-promotion aspect. Looks like he’ll be able to start comfortably in Salem and hit Portland around June. If things go well, he could be starting in Triple-A at 23, which is about what you’re looking for.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

And off we go with Ben's2012I'mabeatallyourassesinrecsschemeathon

Also, Vincente Padilla now needs to be taken into consideration, rec here for Vicente!

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by Rogue Nine on Jan 16, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

1114 and counting!

Alas,it also invalidates the figure as a whole! My e-ego (wow, that’s unwieldy) is bruised!

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow... I'm absolutely shocked that Vicente didn't earn you any Rec's at all.

In other news… who won the comments posted in 2011? Did I finish in the top ten? I’ll be disappointed if I didn’t.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I ended up voting for both Lava and Bogaerts

I couldn’t decide between the two.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 16, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

It's the Chicago way, vote early and often.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 16, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit, I was wondering whether I could/should vote more than once.

I might have thrown one to Kalish, even though he’s clearly not going to win.

Injury and all, I still think he may be the best player we have on this list when we look back in 10 years.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the most talented

But Grady Sizemore is the most talented player on the Indians, would you really say he’s the most valuable though?

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This year? No.

In his prime, before the injuries… he had a couple seasons where he definitely was.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

See, I think of Kalish as Grady now

not Grady before.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this what we're voting for?

Who should have the most disappointing year? Red Sox Baseball fans are funny.

by steel sox on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

haha no, just thinking of our recent history of top prospects

Kalish missed practically the whole season
Kelly did pretty well, and then was traded
Lars became Lars
who else is there? Westy?

by wolf9309 on Jan 18, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, we almost killed Westy

way to go everyone.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 18, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Lavarnway likely up. I think WMB will still have prospect status, so that depends on how he does in Triple-A. Bogaerts could flare out, but if he does, I expect it will happen more towards Double-A. That’s based on the clear favorites so far, so…

I’d guess unlikely.

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by Ben Buchanan on Jan 16, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant it kinda-sorta as a testament to the depth of the Sox system

we could have more Bogaertses coming out of nowhere and vaulting to the top of the system in the next few years.

There’s an alternative world out there where Theo just leaves Gonzo/Crawford alone, lets prospects come up, and watches as a very good Red Sox team falls into his hands.

by dennet on Jan 17, 2012 12:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Re: leaves Gonzo/Crawford alone, lets prospects come up

Rizzo and Kelly haven’t been doing too great (unfortunately for the reputation of the Sox’ system). Gonzo hasn’t blocked any prospects—just Lars and a Beltre re-signing, the latter of which might have blocked Middlebrooks. Crawford could potentially block someone toward the end of his deal, but right now we’re in need of an OFer even with Crawford (though of course his contract is a burden in regard to acquiring players from outside the system).

So it’s not like the farm has produced a “very good” team that somehow Theo ruined by acquiring other players. Masterson is the only prospect that comes to my mind who has been dealt since the last championship and who we currently miss. But I think it’s hard to argue too severely against the V-Mart trade.

by steel sox on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

If we had traded for Dejesus last year

we’d have had a superior than Crawford bat capable of playing RF, plus the money to go out and sign pitchers.

Just saying is all.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 18, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

DeJesus wasn't better than Crawford

Last year

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by Conor Duffy on Jan 19, 2012 6:34 AM EST up reply actions  

yes he was

he certainly wasn’t good, but he was better than Crawford and much, much cheaper.

by wolf9309 on Jan 19, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering he played in Oakland

I’d say he was a lot better than Crawford.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

well, I mean, he was pretty much a wash at home and on the road

he was a little better on the road, but that’s basically a BABIP blip. Both were pretty bad, just one was a lot closer to worth his contract.

by wolf9309 on Jan 19, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Which was less than $25 million?

Really? How about that?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 19, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say three of the top-5 (Pimentel, Britton, and Iglesias) flopped this year.

The Redsox of the new century are usually better about that with their prospects and If I may so bold, I’d like to predict that either one or none of our top-5 selected this year flops.

Basically, I’m with Ben, unlikely that our Top-5 changes unless its in a positive manner and we have rebounding prospects.

I’d love to take a look at our lower levels though and see if we have any Xanders ready to burst into the seen in 2012 though. I though Alcantara was a good candidate until he was traded, etc…

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by GameSox on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, as rebounds go... there are some suggesting Iglesias is underrated now.

He’s still so young compared to those around him, and he already got moved up to the big league club for his defense and speed. If he can acheive the growth with the bat at AAA this year that he missed due to rapid advancement, he could put himself back into the top 5 by the time we do this next year, right?

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, if his bat can improve rapidly

he could play himself off the prospect list and into the lineup by next year. In fact, if it improves at all, that’s probably what happens.

by wolf9309 on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If he hits .260/.350/.380 this year

I will rescind my “broken prospect” label.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

haha yes

quite. I will jump for joy if he does that.

by wolf9309 on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It won't happen though.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 17, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

True, and that would leave him off this list next year.

Obviously, he got a cup of coffee with no bat at all, so could very well be up on this team later in the year, if he can figure out the hitting even a little bit.

I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.

Wait ’til THIS year!

by AlohaSox on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially if Scoot or Pedey miss time

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by Conor Duffy on Jan 19, 2012 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

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