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The Morning After

Jarrod Saltalamacchia's reaction to a foul tip hitting him in last night's contest resembles that of every Red Sox fan following losses the last few weeks.

I was born in early 1986. This means that, outside of the many stories I have heard from my father, I have no recollection of the events of that heartbreaking season, in which the Red Sox let their first World Series in 68 years slip away from them. It sounded brutal, of course -- the series of events leading up to that collapse are some of the more famous in modern baseball history, so there were plenty of replays or things to read if I wanted to learn about that time. 

The pain of that moment was lost to me, though, as pain is a relative thing -- you need to have had something within your grasp to know the hurt that seeing it slip away causes. Reading about it can describe the pain, but other than knowing I was rooting for a team that had failed to win in decades, decades I had not even been alive, there was nothing there to truly make me feel. Game 7 of the 2003 American League Championship series is probably the closest I have come to understanding how my father and all of the other Red Sox fans felt back in 1986, as Grady Little failed to take Pedro Martinez out of the game, and... well, you know the rest.

The reasons I couldn't understand 1986 until 2003 are the same reasons I failed to grasp the kind of downward spiral Red Sox fans witnessed in 1978 until, well, last night, basically. In 1978, the Red Sox were 14 games up on the New York Yankees in July, but ended up losing that lead, playing in a game 163 against those same Yanks, and lost partially due to a famous home run by New York shortstop Bucky Dent. The Yankees, as they do, went on to win the World Series, while Boston would have to wait until 1986 for their next chance.

A 14 game lead, gone in a matter of months. That's hard to do, for both the team losing and the one winning, and it's difficult to know how it feels to be on the losing side simply by hearing stories about how injuries and the Yankees swept away the dreams of the Red Sox that year. Inherently, you know that it must have been terrible to watch, unbearable, even, but you don't know unless you're there.

These 2011 Red Sox had a 1/2 game lead on the division, and a nine-game lead for the Wild Card on September 1. There was a remote mathematical possibility that things would change for them and the Rays could make it interesting, simply due to the schedule of September -- the Red Sox, excepting one series at the start against the Texas Rangers, would face AL East teams, including the Rays and Yankees, all month long. 

This is why you saw people saying that a playoff spot was "all but locked up," as we know baseball, and we know that crazy things happen. Just days before this September, I wrote an article reminding people about how "over" the 2010 playoff races looked heading into the last month of the season, and how different the end result was to what we had expected just weeks before. Even as I wrote it, I didn't expect the massive changes and final pushes to include Boston, given the size of their lead and the talent of the team, but here we are. Tied for the Wild Card lead with two games to play. A nine-game lead on the Rays has vanished entirely.

We're in coin flip territory now, and it's difficult to watch knowing every mistake might be the one that effectively ends the season, but this is baseball. Anything can happen in the next two days, but Boston is going to finish something they started either way. Whether that's something they started in April or in September, none of us knows, even if we can predict.

I can't say I know the pain experienced by fans in 1978 just yet, as hope still lives on for this team with two days to go, but I'm starting to understand. I don't want to understand, and I absolutely do not want to know. But that's going to be up to the Red Sox, not me.

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Thursday Housecleaning

Sep 2011 by Marc Normandin - 70 comments

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Time to sack up.

Time to take this mother.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 27, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Bloggy's gettin' pissed.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 27, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The offense

is way overdue against this pitching. I have to believe they are going to wake up.

by flasoxfan on Sep 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Baseball Prospectus

odds: Red Sox have an 83% chance of making the playoffs.

I wish I thought they knew what the hell they were doing…

by flasoxfan on Sep 27, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those odds

Are not correct (and not in the way you mean). The data didn’t update, so there are no playoff odds at the moment.

by Marc Normandin on Sep 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

They updated at 4:13 this morning

when I looked at 8. Now the odds show 0 for wild card odds.

by flasoxfan on Sep 27, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

But the data they received last night was faulty and didn’t include all of last night’s results, skewing things to make it look like Boston had a one-game lead with two nights left. That’s why they are reset for now.

by Marc Normandin on Sep 27, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is WORSE than 1978!!!

This team played like the 1975 Reds from May until August. April and September, they played more like the 1962 Mets!

by The Bat on Sep 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

In '78

we didn’t know if we would ever win again.

The ‘78 team showed character down the stretch, but from a fan’s perspective it was worse than this.

Example: Bucky Dent has meant nothing since 2004.

by flasoxfan on Sep 27, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

It’s a very different matter.

The 1978 team had a huge lead over the Yankees, and most of it was lost by losing to the Yankees. Even after the loss in the 1-game playoff, I still felt that the ’78 Red Sox was a great team, driven into the ground by an inept manager.

With the 2011 Sox, I have become completely disillusioned about their relative quality. Let’s not forget that the ’78 Sox won 99 games, which no other Sox team has done since. This Sox team is going to miss 90 wins, after being on pace to win 95-100+ most of the Summer.

The September collapse this season is astonishing for just how thorough it’s been. It’s as if the pitching staff got a virus that has infected every single pitcher. The ERA in the past month has been mind boggling. I literally have never seen anything like it.

by RickD on Sep 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Compared to '78

This is a lot like ‘78, but it took a lot longer for the collapse back then. The one game tiebreaker playoff loss was heartbreaking (especially for a young 14 yr old fan like me!) but at least that team fought back to tie the Yankees and force the one game playoff. This team has no fight left right now, no pitching. It is such Jekyll and Hyde team, as The Bat said. They looked so good at times, and so awful at other times. I can’t believe they may not even win 90 games.

by gojohn99 on Sep 27, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Sept 78 vs Sept 11

1978 – 14-15 including winning 10 of the last 12
2011 – 6-19

by gojohn99 on Sep 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Geez

All we had to do was play at a 14-15 clip this month and we would be in the playoffs and tied for the division lead. Amazing, all we had to do was not play that great and we would be setting up our rotation for the ALDS. Instead we played like absolute dogshit and, well here we are…..

by dja9783 on Sep 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

tonight is the night

I just can’t see how the Yankees beat the Rays on Wed, with a conga line of AAA pitchers matching up against Price. To avoid a Thursday game in Tampa, both NY and the Sox need to win tonight. The question is, Can they do it? After Sunday night, I would’ve said sure, but now, I’m not convinced.

by Bean Tooth on Sep 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Great article, Marc!

In relative terms, the ’78 collapse was comparatively slow and drawn out – perhaps that was more painful for some.

This collapse has been comparatively sudden and shocking – perhaps more painful for some.

I’ve got this horrible, horrible knot in my stomach constantly these days.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.

by mmmmm on Sep 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

We need Schilling

Schilling is curse-proof.

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
DFA Rev Halofan, The New York Yankees, The Tamps Bay Blue Seats, Carl Crawford, John Lackey, Darnell McDonald, Terry Francona, Curt Young, Dave Magadan, Tim Bogar, Vuvuzelas, The Chicken Dance, Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Stephanie Meyer, and the entire fucking city of Philadelphia.

by TheLoneDavid on Sep 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Thou shalt not use the name of B***** D***

For those of us old farts who were fans back then, it is “Bucky Fucking Dent” and nothing else. This collapse is bad but nowhere near as bad as that one. This was a slow motion train wreck, that one was a heart attack. The bad start showed that this team had the potential to fail and the pitching staff was always suspect.

by papoonforpresident on Sep 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't worry.

There’s still chance for a heart attack, too. ;)

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get it right, you whippersnappers!

Bucky Dent was the Yankees’ shortstop. Willie Randolph was their 2B.

I have to say, one interesting thing about this month has been seeing all the 20-somethings in my office getting a taste of what it USED to be like to be a Red Sox fan. If the Sox had gone into September with a nine-game lead in, say, 1990, there would have been a city-wide expectation that it would play out just this way. Nowadays, people are accustomed to success and (rightly, given recent history) expect that talent, determination, and team spirit will result in victory. If only it were that simple!

"It's cold in April and nobody likes hard stuff in April. You go right after them and get in on their hands and get them unexpected, and it's a lot of fun." -- Matt Garza, 3/2011

by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, grandpa.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least...

I screwed up in a post where I admitted I wasn’t around to know :-)

by Marc Normandin on Sep 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, seriously, it was a darn good article

But now you have me looking forward to the recap of Ted Williams’ 61-HR season! :)

"It's cold in April and nobody likes hard stuff in April. You go right after them and get in on their hands and get them unexpected, and it's a lot of fun." -- Matt Garza, 3/2011

by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's over

The absolute best thing that can realistically happen now is a playoff game … and do you really think we can win that???

This wonderful summer has been pissed away because this team simply wore out. Worse than the pitching, it’s the defense that deserves the most blame. If Reddick catches a fly ball hit DIRECTLY at him we win that game against Baltimore last Tuesday; If Carl simply holds on to the fly ball he slid to catch on Saturday, we at least have a fighting chance in that one.

Beckett, Lester, Bard, Albers, even Adrian have worn out; The catching situation started the season in shambles, righted itself and now has reverted to an absolute disaster; How many home runs has David hit this month? Lately, it seems he can only reach the wall; We miss Buchholz, we miss Yook (and this is the second year in a row our favorite Grinder has ground himself onto the DL) and, going forward, we don’t know what we’ll ever get out of Carl and Lackey.

78 was the end of that team – they were a solid team going forward, but never seriously contended again; I really hope this is more like ’74 where things went up in smoke in September, but they came back in 75 and nearly won it all.

by redsoxjoey on Sep 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

That is why

the strength and condition coach has to go, along with Tito and the rest of the coaching staff. The players have been allowed to police themselves in a lax atmosphere for too long. It is no coincidence to me that most of the team has basically worn down in September. Beckett is clearly gassed, Lester by some accounts has gotten a bit more filled out (not muscle wise), Bard has burnt out as well and it goes on and on.

This is not to indict everybody. Gonzo is on one leg and playing with one arm (and still grinding) and Ells, Pedey and Aceves to name a few, have been said to have worked their asses off during the offseason and they don’t seem tired at all. Aceves has thrown more innings than he ever has in his career this season (by a lot) and he has shown no signs of wearing down. We need a guy that will make sure EVERYBODY on the team is in great shape for the grind of the season.

Youk and Tek are just older players who are breaking down.

So if/when this collapse is completed we need a major overhaul in the coaching staff, and we need to part with some of the older veterans and bring in some younger, hungrier players.

by dja9783 on Sep 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have a strength and conditioning coach?

What does he do? Give them protein shakes?

I don’t know about the idea of a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. I think they need to have an actual conditioning coach who knows what he’s doing. And Curt Young cannot retain his job after this September.

I’m less inclined to go after Tito. I would go for it if there was a clear candidate to replace him who was clearly better, but I’m not a fan of firing somebody just to make a scapegoat. I would prefer to hire a better pitching coach who had a lot more control and input about exactly who should be pitching and when.

by RickD on Sep 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think getting rid of Tito would be scapegoating him.

I am a huge Tito fan. I think he has done a very good job for the most part since he has been here. But sometimes a manager/coach just runs his course and a shake up is needed. I always bring up the Joe Torre example. They got rid of him after the 2007 season because they felt like the team needed a shake up. I think the same thing needs to happen in Boston

I think Tito is part of the “it’s all going to be OK” problem that has been permeating the clubhouse this month while the collapse has been taking place. This isn’t about bullpen management, leaving pitchers in too long or anything like that. You can make those criticisms about any manager. But I am talking about the mentality of this team. It has to change. They haven’t won a playoff game since 2008 and they are in danger of missing the playoffs for the second year in a row. There is no excuse for that to happen to a team as talented as the Red Sox. Something needs to change.

I agree 100% about Curt Young too. We may have to look at making some changes in our player development program too. Mainly the pitchers. I think our development of position players has been fine as many had breakout years this year. The only pitchers I can think of who had a decent year this season is Wilson and Weiland (and even he couldn’t help us at all). Everybody else either underperformed or regressed badly. The Rays seems to have a revolving door of great pitchers coming out of their system. With the money we spend on overslot draft picks, there is no reason why we can’t come at least close to doing the same thing.

by dja9783 on Sep 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's Worse?

What do you think would be worse for the team and the fans—to just eek into the playoffs and lose in ALDS (which I can’t imagine us getting through right now) or not making the playoffs at all?

If we did make the playoffs, who knows what might happen. It could reinvigorate the team, we could still win it all…but, more likely, we would get swept by Texas (or Detroit) or worse lose in game 5. Or we could lose the next two games or a Thursday playoff game and watch Tampa go in our place. I don’t know what’s worse.

by AFanDivided on Sep 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely.

I said this when we signed Crawford… the only challenge with those two big moves was that it set us up for a no win situation. Anything less than a World Series title (even with the Phillies rotation) would be a bust.

Now… losing to the Phillies would be disappointing, but if the team they put together cannot even make the playoffs? And has an epic, worst ever collapse in September? Yeah, they better pull it together tonight and tomorrow.

Sadly, I feel like the team struggled in April because the players put too much pressure on themselves. And now, when they shouldn’t have any pressure at all – if they’d played just badly this month instead of horrendously – they are under so much, I don’t think they can pull it out.

I hope I’m wrong. Much like 2004, down 0-3… if I’m the rest of the playoff teams, I don’t want the Red Sox to win just one game. We all saw how that played out the last time.

by AlohaSox on Sep 27, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the difference is

they have won a couple of games and bad things happened afterward. When they beat TB in Fenway in that four game series, that was going to be the spring board. When we scored 18 runs against Baltimore, that was going to be the spring board. Ells’ three run HR on Sunday was supposed to be the spring board. We haven’t been able to sustain any momentum this month and now we only gave two games get something going.

by dja9783 on Sep 27, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is why I've been saying for weeks

that it really doesn’t matter if they make the playoffs or not. This team cannot win a playoff series. They’ve collapsed. They don’t have a single starter that can compete with CJ Wilson, Justin Verlander, or CC Sabathia. Teams like this don’t make the World Series.

by RickD on Sep 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was the ace in the Cardinals World Series winning team?

They staggered into the playoffs in the same kind of shape we’re in right now.

by AlohaSox on Sep 27, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Carpenter

W-15
L-8
E.R.A.3.09
IP – 221.2

by ccthemovieman on Sep 27, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think AlohaSox has a point with the Cards

After Carpenter they had Jeff Weaver, Jeff Suppan and Anthony Reyes in the rotation for the playoffs. However, those guys pitched pretty well in the playoffs and weren’t nearly as bad as Lackey, Wake, etc have been this year.

by The Name is Dalton on Sep 27, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said last night,

2003 is my most traumatic Red Sox memory, my most traumatic sports memory (A close second is the Joe Thornton trade, which happened the day before my birthday).

I’ve never before experienced anything this sad, this pathetic, this…horrible in my Red Sox fanhood. I’ve become speechless.

I guess it’s time for me to start posting on Stanley Cup of Chowder.

by Anthony Emerson on Sep 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Lowrie 3B
Gonzalez 1B
Lavarnway C
McDonald RF
Crawford LF
Scutaro SS

by Scooby Snacks on Sep 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Against a lefty, it's legitimate.

He’s looked pretty good against righties this week.

by cds7c on Sep 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is this? Please tell me it's a joke.

It cannot be our starting line up tonight, is it??

It better be:

Ellsbury CF
Pedroia 2B
Gonzalez 1B
Ortiz DH
Lowrie 3B
Lavarnway C
McDonald LF
Drew RF
Scutaro SS

by AlohaSox on Sep 27, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I would much rather take our chances in the playoffs then not make it at all. Even if that means we get destroyed in the ALDS.

by dja9783 on Sep 27, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, definitely

Anything can happen in the playoffs.

by ccthemovieman on Sep 27, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only downside to making the playoffs

is if management sees that as some kind of validation of the status quo. Changes need to be made. Making the playoffs may act as a snooze button on the massive wake-up call this team got this month.

"What's so special about Lou Gehrig? Shouldn't EVERY Yankee have a disease named after him?"

by Tessie's Dad on Sep 27, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the message has to be there already.

I mean… we’ve known forever that pitching is king in October, and we’re limping in with a tired Beckett/Lester and nothing after that. Dice K, before the injury, wasn’t much of an improvement over what we’ve got now… Buchholz injury really took the wind out of our sails.

And I know the budget is screwed, with all the money tied up by Lackey/Beckett/Gonzo/Crawford and what we’re going to have to pay Papelbon to stick around… However, they better damn well spend some money or prospects to get us another starter for 2012. I don’t care if that means Lackey is moved to long relief.

by AlohaSox on Sep 27, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the record, that doesn't necessarily mean Lackey is moved to long relief

because Lester/Beckett/Buchholz/someone else freaking good is only 4

by wolf9309 on Sep 27, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally.

I really don’t understand (what Tessie’s Dad said above aside) why not making the playoffs would be better than getting eliminated in the first round. Ridiculous.

Get in… let’s see if they can figure it out then. We’ve all seen what they can do when they get hot… so let’s get hot now. Tonight. Win tonight. Win tomorrow. No losses again until Spring 2012.

by AlohaSox on Sep 27, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 27, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to wish the Red Sox and you guys luck

being a Mets fan here in NY is not easy, so the Sox are my adopted second team ,mainly because of my dislike for that other NY team. With that being said, a few things you may or may not know:

If there is a 1 game playoff, it would be Thursday in Tampa. MLB announced the time a few minutes ago to be 4:07.

If the Sox get to the Division Series, Game 1 is Friday. MLB also announced the time for that, as well. 5:07.

Why would Lackey divorce his wife after everything she’s been through?

With that being said, I have a feeling that Bedard will pitch a big game tonight. I think the Sox get in, and, after everything, they raise their 3rd World Series championship in 8 years.

by lupojohn3 on Sep 27, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks for the good thoughts

as far as the Lackey thing, none of us or anyone speculating about it know what happened or is happening and why, so absolutely nothing can be gained by discussing it. It’s not worth talking about, and disrespectful to.

by wolf9309 on Sep 27, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're correct about Lackey

McAdam(Sean is his first name, I think) from Comcast was on WFAN here in NY, and he was talking to Mike Francesa(the host) about Lackey in general, and Francesa brought it up, and McAdam mentioned it. That’s why I asked. Your welcome on the other points.

by lupojohn3 on Sep 27, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's funny you mention 1986 in the article

ESPN Classic ran Game 6, and ‘’The Top 5 reasons you can’t blame Bill Buckner’’. They did that in accordance with the Bartman movie on ESPN tonight. They also ran The Top 5 Reasons You Can’t Blame Steve Bartman. As wacky as this sounds, to me, he’s always had a hand in the 2007 WS you guys won. I’ll explain at a later date.

by lupojohn3 on Sep 27, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I can relate to Marc

I’ve been fortunate enough to see the Penguins and Gators win championships, and to see the Nets make the NBA Finals twice. However, in baseball terms, I was 2 when we beat you guys in ‘86, and we know how 2000 went. 2006 was a killer, and we blew the playoffs in 2007(7 up on the Phillies with 17 to go) and 2008. It’s tough, but hang in there. It can only get better.

by lupojohn3 on Sep 27, 2011 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

There's no game thread yet, so let me say it here:

I want asses kicked.

I want suckers put on notice.

I want the run to start right fucking now.

It’s fucking go time. Let’s kick this pig.

GO SOX.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Sep 27, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm... coulda sworn the Sox were in the '75 WS

guess I was wrong:

I have no recollection of the events of that heartbreaking season (1986), in which the Red Sox let their first World Series in 68 years slip away from them.

by Brian in 317 on Sep 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

They were in the '75 series...and '67 and '46.

I think Marc meant to say “first World Series win in 68 years slip away from them”

by The Name is Dalton on Sep 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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