Embarrassed In New York
I just watched the first two innings. After that, I checked in on line periodically until it was clear the Red Sox weren't going to mount any type of comeback.
With that as the backdrop, what is there to say about this team right now? That Tampa and Anaheim both lost last night increases the chances the Sox reach the post season, so there's that. But what a mess.
The Sox sent supposed ace Jon Lester to the mound and Lester had the team in a 6-0 hole inside two innings. Part of it wasn't his fault. Marco Scutaro fielded a grounder with men on second and third and after looking to third base tried to turn and throw the ball back to second base while his momentum carried him away. His throw was fine, but it was late. There was really no way he was going to be able to make that play. About the only play Scutaro had was third base. Mike Aviles, filling in for Kevin Youkilis, was farther off the bag than he should have been, and that may have influenced Scutaro's decision. But Aviles wasn't as far off third as was the runner coming from second, so the play was there. It should have been the second out of the inning. Instead, the bases were loaded with one out.
Then Lester fell behind Jesus Montero 3-0, then gave up a hard hit to left on the 3-1 offering. A run scored. Next up was Russell "I hate the Red Sox" Martin. Martin hit a weak flare to left field. Carl Crawford took a circuitous route to the ball and then slide, but the ball glanced off what looked to be the heal of his glove. Two runs scored. Next pitch Jeter homered. Ball game.
What is there to say about this except the Sox have five more games to right their ship. Today was straight up embarrassing, but there is still much opportunity left in this season. That's enough about this game. Double header tomorrow.
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I can't watch this team.
Which is why I was far away from the TV and computer while this happened…
I love Lester, Pedroia, and Gonzo!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
I tell myself not to watch...
but then I torture myself. Hope is a bad thing sometimes :-).
Bravo to anyone who watched past the first 2 innings.
I also turned off and would just check my phone every 5 mins to see if we could put up a few runs. I expected the game recap to be one word – Ugh!.
It almost was one word.
But I figured you guys deserve a bit more than that.
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A.J. Burnett Sunday
So it’s a 90% chance of win. But he’ll be on a short leash. Inside info is though the Yanks will rest all their starters against Tampa Bay effectively giving the edge to the Rays in hopes Boston continues to struggle.
by bleedingyankeeblue on Sep 25, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
2 hours after this game,
I was in my bathroom and loudly screamed out STOP LOSING. That’s all they need to do, stop losing every goddamn game.
We’ve not-lost nearly 90 games. Just do it like 3 more times. Is it really THAT difficult?
I hope it's not too hard.
I have yelled the same. STOP LOSING.
Just F@CKING win....play hard always!
by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Putrid
That’s all I can say. I wonder if Lester is hurt. At least if he was it’d explain his struggles. I’m worried about this team…more each day. I really hope we make the playoffs. But I’m not sure how optimistic I am anymore.
PS- IMO Curt Young needs to be fired. Someone has to be held accountable for the pitching woes
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What's he supposed to do?
Make Wakefield 29 again? Take John Lackey’s personal problems away? Give Andrew Miller control? Make the Mets give us Capuano for tomorrow?
I don't know what he can do.
But he’s paid to do it. Whatever “it” is.
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm putting this largely on Theo
Yes, everyone has sucked, but thinking that Wakefield, Lackey, Miller, and Weiland had any place in a rotation is foolishness.
I think only Lackey was supposed to be there.
Never knew I’d miss Dice K so much.
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea but at that poont we had
Beckett and Lester pitching well, Lackey had a great July and Theo felt that we needed one more piece to the rotation and got Bedard. Not to mention we were 20-6 in the month of July. We were on fire.
I dont think anybody, even Theo, could have seen this coming. I just don’t know who else he was supposed to get.
John Lackey, July:
4.61 ERA, 1.61 WHIP (!), .333/.364/.504/.868 line.
Wakefield July:
6.23 ERA, 1.582 WHIP, .920 OPS line.
If that had been at all the rotation that was planned I'd be with you.
It wasn’t even close though.
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sox have lost more starter games in their
original rotation than any contender by far. Still-not an excuse to play THIS bad.
It's in their head. That's not on Theo.
The ridiculous’ness of this losing streak pretty much has Theo in the clear. It’s not his job for the players not to be headcases.
If anyone is responsible for the players mindset (and I’m not sure anyone is), it’s Tito.
You're right
No excuses. Someone said this in the game thread…we played better last year down the stretch. And that was with AAA guys at some key positions.
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That was me and it is 100% true.
Last years team won 89 games and half of our team was AAA fill ins. We have 88 this year with a much better team talent wise. It is pathetic.
Well, besides Lackey, they don't have a place in this rotation.
40% of the starting rotation has missed pretty much the whole year. 40%.
Another 20% of the rotation is in the midst of a historically bad season, probably due to a combination of his wife going through breast cancer and a signifcant arm ailment. There was absolutely no way to predict Lackey’s season before this year. Considering how bad Beckett was, and that he and Lackey are historically identical, it was just as logical to assume that Lackey was going to put together a Beckett ’11 season instead of what he has done.
Sure, Wake was the backup. He’s pitched like a 6th starter. Miller is who Miller is, he is exactly as advertised. We’re lucky to have got 4 good starts out of him. Weiland is in this position because Doubrount showed up fat and Pimentel crapped the bed.
I'm assuming you're referring to the trade deadline.
Who could they have gotten? I honestly don’t know. Though I do agree they should have gotten someone.
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They couldn't have gotten anyone.
Seattle wanted Lavarnway and a bunch more for Fister. Kicked the tired on Ubaldo and just look at what the Tribe gave up for that mess. Even so, ONE extra pitcher does not fix this mess. I mean Bard pretty much alone blew 3 games (one with Paps help) and blew a tie to the Rays in 11 innings. We have seen 3 games this week when an out fielder dropped fly balls that cost the game (in one case McDonald dropped two). We have seen horrible calls (the Ortiz “foul”, the Aviles “DP”) that probably cost games. We have seen Lester give his only decent start of the month in a 14-0 game when even Lackey would suffice. We have seen numerous “just fouls” like Pedroia off Johnson or even Crawford today in the first. We have seen Beckett removed from a game in the 4th that we ended up losing 1-0 in 11 innings.
For a team like this to have a month like this EVERYTHING has to go wrong till you are just fried. A trade for a pitcher at the deadline would not cure that.
We knew Lackey was done
Completely done, and useless, by then. Getting a pitcher with even a high-4 ERA would’ve been a lifesaver. A high-4 ERA is an extremely low bar to set.
We didn’t need Fister or Jimenez, we needed a below average 5th starter to replace Lackey, who is the worst pitcher in Red Sox history.
A lifesaver?
How? Lackey’s starts this month go as follows:
A)Bad start against Texas (L)
B)Bad start against Rays (L)
C)Decent start against Jays-left Bard with 4-2 lead in 8th (ND)
D)Bad start against Bal (but team scores 18 runs and wins).
Basically you are looking at a guy whose team should have been 2-2 in his starts. Mystery pitcher X could have been better worse or the same, but it is going to be a minor difference. Esepcially if it is below average starter you still likely lose to the Rays and Tex. No difference.
Further-tell me who this starter is? This is silly-you are upset that the team is pulling a historic choke, but tell me how anyone had a crystal ball on the 31st and felt we needed a bad 5th starter so that we could avoide playing worse than the 62 Mets did in September (which we are).
Because it's what we've done in the past
It’s what a team looking to cover its bases would’ve done. There is absolutely no doubt that Lackey should not have been starting for us the second half, because he was putting up horrid numbers. Wakefield is old and was coming off of a horrendous month. Bedard would replace Buckles, but that still left Miller starting some games when Bedard would inevitably get injured.
Is it really that hard to believe we could get a below average SP? Even someone like Rodrigo Lopez could have made a difference.
There is an awful long list of 2012 FA pitchers.
No Sox team
has every played this badly in September in the past. As I said-we have been worse than the 62 Mets were in September. It is beyond silly to think that we would have to protect against this. It is also beyond silly to think that we should have picked up a 5th starter to protected about this. We picked up Bedard at the deadline instead thinking that as a risky but quality pitcher he could actually help in the playoffs and not be a plug against a freefall that no one in the world could see coming. THAT is what we have always done.
“I’m not hurt.” – Jon Lester (via WEEI.com)_
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruised ego?
Lester is my favorite pitcher but he’s looked plain bad.
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He has looked bad
but his mechanics have looked bad on and off all year. He doesn’t look hurt-he is still throwing hard, he simply loses command mysteriously during games.
Today was straight up embarrassing, but there is still much opportunity left in this season.
What sucks is this, or something similar has been in just about every recent recap recently.
Yeah, right. That's what sucks.
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's what he's saying, I apologize.
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I apologize anyway.
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And thanks
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by Matthew Kory on Sep 24, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays up 3-2. Bot 8
Hope the Jays can pull this one out.
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BJ Upton is doing his part for the cause
Picked off once, and damn near a 2nd time just now.
--
"No left turn unstoned"
(road sign created by the Merry Pranksters)
5 of the 6 Rays runs
a result of bad fielding. 2 runs in 2econd after dropped pop up and booted ball. Damon hist 2 out 3 run bomb after McCoy boots one at short. In a game where the Jays had a 2-0 lead and Romero on the mound and Miemann out after one inning…
All we can hope is that we get a split tomorrow
And the Rays and Angels both lose. I really wii wouldn’t be surprised if we miss the playoffs. And yes, that’s the first time I’ve said that.
Just F@CKING win....play hard always!
by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I honestly don't care if they make the playoffs
Either they miss the playoffs or they are swept in the first round.
The team has completely fallen apart. It’s mind-boggling.
Of the two, I'd rather they get there.
I do believe that anything can happen- if they get to the playoffs.
Just F@CKING win....play hard always!
by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't agree with that.
Considering all that is going on and how badly they are playing, I still think that if we get to the playoffs, we have enough talent to win the whole thing. I really do.
Just another classic Boston September meltdown ‘fraid to say. And Crawford is a 100 million dollar waste can’t believe he got that much.
by bleedingyankeeblue on Sep 25, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ballgame
TB wins.
:-(
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by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 9:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not because of anything the Jays did...
… except for gagging on their own dicks.
"Playoffs?!? Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? I just hope we can win a game!"
- Jim Mora, seeing through space and time to describe the 2011 Boston Red Sox
by nuthinboutnuthin on Sep 24, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
saw this and got me thinking:
GlobeEricWilbur If Francona is fired, #RedSox fans should revolt. Not his fault he was handed the Most. Overrated. Team. Ever. #heraldheadlines
That’s exactly what this team is. The most overrated Red Sox team of all time. And if they miss the playoffs, the most gutless, heartless Red Sox team ever.
the 2011 Red Sox have turned into shit
overpaid indeed
crawford, lackey, dice-k… have i missed anyone?
Dude when was the last time Toronto smelled the playoffs?
Just F@CKING win....play hard always!
by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Go fuck yourself
Fortunately, you can do it anywhere in your empty upper deck and nobody would notice.
by Sean O on Sep 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 to Sean
Just F@CKING win....play hard always!
by Fenway302 on Sep 24, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And yet...
… so much better than your team.
"Playoffs?!? Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? I just hope we can win a game!"
- Jim Mora, seeing through space and time to describe the 2011 Boston Red Sox
by nuthinboutnuthin on Sep 24, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Meaning...
Either troll or idiot. Same result either way…
"Playoffs?!? Don't talk about playoffs! Are you kidding me? I just hope we can win a game!"
- Jim Mora, seeing through space and time to describe the 2011 Boston Red Sox
by nuthinboutnuthin on Sep 24, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you say any of those players has/is living up to their contracts? I give CC a pass for the first year, since he's got a while to go
but his skill set (speed and contact) doesn’t age well.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice signature.
He was a silly signing regardless of skillset. A guy who hit much better in TB than on the road with a ton of value tied up in his D (which is diminished in Fenway and probably aided in TB given how fielders are positioned). Made little sense.
hitting in the same stadium for 9 years, i think you tend to tailor your swing.
probably the same way the yanks get pop fly HRs to the short porch and you guys get XBHs out of can of corns to left field. maybe that means good things from crawford going forward? who knows.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Look at all the other long term Rays-all of them are somewhat to significantly better
on the road, because the Trop is a bad hitter’s park. It has lots of foul ground, pretty deep and high fences, etc. What is different about it is it has controlled climate, turn and whatever sight-lines it has (unique to all stadiums). I don’t know what it is but Crawford is likely the only long time Rays player who hits better (by a LOT) in the Trop. That was a pretty obvious warning sign.
oof, my pride
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a piece of garbage trolling the site of another team
On a Saturday night. You obviously have no pride.
please, if you can't handle fans of other sites posting then get off the internet.
if you think i’m trolling then you really haven’t spent much time on it.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
gonzo. Pedoria is underpaid though.
by bleedingyankeeblue on Sep 25, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Went out with wife and friends
good dinner, as usual there was a bar in the restaurant. And of course, it had a TV. In fact it had 3.
Not one was tuned to the Rays. One was tuned to LSU-West Virginia. One was tuned to U of F, and another turned to some other college game. i asked if I could check the Rays: No was the answer, no one in the bar area gave a shit.
Yet the Rays are in the midst of the greatest comeback in MLB in September.
I re-ran the odds tonight. i wouldn’t take them too seriously, but then i wouldn’t take Baseball Prospects very seriously either. You can’t model the odds of a team that is choking.
in the bay area? i think the game was blacked out for some MLBN rules or something.
but a bar not putting the game on, that’s pretty lame. even if you would have had to watch it on toronto’s feed.
and I wouldn’t call it a great comeback…Rays are playing near their talent level, Sox imploding. But I suppose that is the net result.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree its not a comeback
its more akin to being a bystander at a wreck.
You are right – the game may have been blacked out because of the concert after the game. On those nights there is no TV.
yep that was it, some country artist.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Tampa Bay is more like the hood who steals your shoes after you been mugged.
by bleedingyankeeblue on Sep 25, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
More blue seats than ever at the game.
can’t explain that with a black out.
clever. stick to a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics
because you clearly don’t understand population logistics or the economy.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What arguments are there
that can explain why the Trop is always empty? Old people? The Trop is hard to get to? who cares-it is always empty and that is a damn good reason why the team should move. The economy? The economy was seeemingly fine (in terms of wage and employment) for nearly all of the 2008 season when the team won 97 games and went to the WS-and no one but a small group of young baseball enthusiasts cared. A small group.
So the little troll bitch is now lecturing us?
The Rays have the worst fans in professional sports, bar none.
that's me, i'm that little troll bitch
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem
very sensitive about the blue seat issue, like a lot of Rays fans (if “lot” makes sense here) seem to be.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston - get some wins here! This is epic
What is there to say about this except the Sox have five more games to right their ship. Today was straight up embarrassing, but there is still much opportunity left in this season. That’s enough about this game. Double header tomorrow.
Win remaining games against NY and you just might make it. Get these two games today or it is RIP.
Yankees will be happy to lose their final 3 games as payback. Nothing could be more twisted than this epic collapse.
by VikesFanSince1967 on Sep 25, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions
Re: Matt's quote
I don’t think you can say there’s “opportunity” in this season. You can say all is not yet lost…but what is our opportunity here?
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
We are still in good position to make the playoffs
and once in the playoffs it’s a whole new ballgame. Sure.
But there’s not a lot of opportunity here. Just the ability to hang on.
I know it sounds like splitting hairs (and maybe it is), but there’s not a whole lot more we can accomplish here. Try to play a little better and hang on to our spot. We’re not going to be leaps and bounds this rest of this season.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
They're all but in, so chill out
This is still a good team. The 2000 Yankees tanked almost as badly during Sept and still won the Series. Yes, circumstances are not the same, but the Sox will probably face Detroit, which isn’t as good team as the Yankees. Beckett/Verlander is a wash, and Lester should be able to beat Fister. Not going to be easy, but I can see them righting the ship during a series where they only need three starters. It’s a beautiful day. Relax.
It will be interesting to get to Wednesday and the Rays needing a win to tie
The Yankees would be foolish to win that game. I wonder what limits they will go to to win? Bunting with 2 strikes? Position players pitching?
Losing all three to the Rays, or 2 to the Sox today, doesn’t benefit the Yanks. The last thing they want is a team getting hot to hit the playoffs…even if it is in the other bracket. Nor do the Yanks want a losing streak on their minds hitting the playoffs.
But to do what they can to ensure a play-in game? That’s to their benefit. If they get to Wednesday where a Rays win gives them a chance at a play-in game, the Yanks should lose.
How do you purposefully lose a game gracefully?
I think for sure they play harder the next 2 games than the 3 after that.
The have already stated they will rest CC Monday (Hughes), then pitch Colon who looks like crap now and got shelled by the Rays 2 days ago, then ? (meaning likely a AAA callup guy like Betances). The Rays will throw Shields, Hellickson and Price. I think to avoid a tie we sort of need to be 2 games up after today (e.g. a split+TB loss, or sweep+TB win). However given that we are pitching Wake and Lackey, I doubt this is going to happen. I think a one game lead or tie after today feels more likely than a 2 or 3 game lead, doesn’t it?
You want a way out?
"When you start playing the game, you’re not expecting anything bad to happen," Ortiz said. "You’re expecting to play good and win a ballgame. We are in a funk right now, and we need to find a way out."
Then score more runs than the other team and the nosedive stops – ’cuz the chances of the pitching staff doing it are very low…so, even if the Sox make the post season – will they do anything???
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
The obvious
Watching these games this month especially yesterday against the MFY is just torture. We all know the obvious issues and the guys who cant pitch or hit who we brought in to solve are problems. Lackey and Crawford have been the main targets and the shambles of our pitching and injuries to key players like Youk and JD have really put pressure on the fill-ins. The Crawford play missing that ball was a punch to the gut and for a guy with that much talent it is killing us to have him play at this level. The part nobody is talking about is the not so obvious…..Before I go there I must say I love AGON and he is havinig a good year BUT, against our primary rivals the MFY and Rays he is only hitting .190 and .131 respectfully……….Terrible. with all the bad things happening and the obvious issues we all have with the main offenders it seems like nobody wants to point out the not so obvious that AGon is just not delivering in the games against the teams we need to beat. Like Crawford he came from a non-pressure environment and generally just shows up everyday and does his job but nobody was really watching so maybe he was never a step up in big situations player. I am frustrated with the team and find myself on the verge of a meltdown just watching these games but like a car accident can’t just walk away and I keep looking ( hoping ) for some miracle to fix all of this. Hopefully after 2 today all will be right again and we will start a nice 16 game winning streak that will make us all forget what happened so far in September.
Just look at the ERA
it’s stunning. Never seen a stretch like this before…not lasting this long.
Word is Lester’s fastball is not quite up to snuff.
They’re not losing because of freak plays or bad defense or weak hitting. It’s the pitching. And it’s awful.
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