Erik Bedard Lands In Boston, Minor Leaguers The Price
Erik Bedard, who you will remember from such articles as, "Who the Red Should Acquire: Erik Bedard", is now with the Boston Red Sox as part of a three-team trade involving the Mariners and the Dodgers. The Red Sox parted with catcher Tim Federowicz, Futures Game representative Chih-Hsien Chiang, Double-A hurler Stephen Fife, and Single-A reliever Juan Rodriguez. In addition to Bedard, Boston received former first round pick Josh Fields.
Fields has missed a lot of bats in his days in the Seattle minor league system, but he misses the strike zone just about as often. The 25-year-old right-hander has been a reliever from the start, Fields obviously has good stuff, as indicated by those strikeout rates, but unless he finds some semblance of control, he looks more like a project than anything. Nothing wrong with taking back a project, though -- for all the grief the Andrew Miller Experiment has been getting lately, it's even more shudder-inducing to imagine what would have gone down in Boston the last month-plus had they not taken the chance on him over the winter.
Bedard is a known quantity: if he is healthy, he will miss bats (8.8 strikeouts per nine in his last 255-1.3 innings), and while his control isn't amazing, he has plenty of moments where he is hard to beat. The main concern about him isn't whether or not he will perform, it is whether he will be around to do so. Injuries have been problematic for Bedard throughout much of his career, including 2011, and Boston is taking a risk here by acquiring him.
They didn't give up much quality, though, despite the quantity shown above. Tim Federowicz is a defense-first catcher that may develop some doubles power, but he is likely a backup in the majors. If he is a starter, chances are good it wouldn't be for a team like Boston. Fife is 24 years old and putting up uninspiring numbers at Double-A Portland as a starter. Chances are good he will need to convert to relief at some point, unless his lacking secondary stuff all of a sudden appears. Rodriguez has some intriguing numbers, as he is punching out 13.4 batters per nine for Greenville, but he also has control problems (just a 2.8 K/BB despite the unreal strikeout rate). He has been old for the level the whole way, and no one argues about his arm, but in the grand scheme of things, he isn't someone Boston is going to regret letting go.
Chih-Hsien Chiang is the only one of the group that gives this author some pause, but you have to give up something to get something. Chiang has been good, but never great in his minor league career, but in 2011 he exploded for Portland: .338/.399/.647 with 18 homers and 40 other extra-base hits.
This feels like Boston selling high on a prospect that another organization (in this case, Seattle) was intrigued by. Chiang is 23 and recently moved to the outfield, a place where Boston may not need any corner help for years if Josh Reddick and/or Ryan Kalish, two better prospects, work out, so making him something of a centerpiece for a team attempting to win now makes a lot of sense, given the limited track record.
Most importantly, Federowicz, Fife, and Chiang were all going to be Rule 5 eligible this upcoming winter, so Boston was moving pieces it was planning to lose anyway in exchange for help now. Except for Chiang, chances are good none of that group would have been protected on the 40-man, and with others like Drake Britton, Ryan Lavarnway, and Will Middlebrooks also eligible, there is no guarantee Chiang would have been safe, either. (Ben Buchanan covered this 40-man crunch in more detail earlier this week.)
All in all, this was a good trade for Boston, as they didn't give up anything they weren't planning on losing in the short-term anyway, and they received a high-risk, high-reward hurler in Bedard. If Buchholz ends up missing significant time the rest of the year, and Bedard can stay on the mound, the Red Sox and their fans will be very happy about a rare July 31 deal that has a major impact. Of course, that "if" is as large as Bedard's injury history. It's clearly a risk worth taking for a team using or considering Andrew Miller, Kyle Weiland, Tim Wakefield, and maybe even Alfredo Aceves as starters down the stretch, though.
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Nothing totally valuable lost
Therefore it has the potential for a great trade. And if it doesn’t work out, oh well.
But who gets bumped from the rotation for him: Miller or Wakefield?
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Jul 31, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
That is a good question
And one I am hoping we hear the answer to soon. Miller would have to be designated.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And Wake is seemingly useless in the pen.
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I don't like this much.
Replace Miller with another headcase? I guess this solves a bit of the roster logjam, but if I asked you:
Which of the 3 would you rather do:
Bedard for FedEx
FedEx, Rodriguez, and Fife for Trayvon
Or what we did, which would you choose?
Frankly, I would have liked Trayvon, and I would have given up a bit more if we could have kept him. I think Theo got befuddled with Josh Fields. That part of the trade I flat out don’t get.
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With option 2, that would mean no Bedard.
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Trayvon Robinson
Seemed like the real key to getting Bedard out of Seattle, without Boston giving up any of their top prospects. He was included only for those purposes.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Point is: Trayvon Robinson was acquirable, which would fix the righty bat problem.
We didn’t give up that much, but I would have much preferred a Lars + Fife/Chiang/FedEx for Bedard alone. With the leftovers, say, Chiang, FedEx, and Rodriguez, get Trayvon.
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If the Red Sox had the parts to get Bedard alone...
…the Dodgers wouldn’t have been involved. Why would the Mariners want or need Lars Anderson, anyway? They already had to move Mike Carp off of first for Justin Smoak.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Just hindsight from the Harden deal, which I would have preferred.
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And the fact that the Dodgers were willing to get involved shows me that
We could have got a better deal out of this. Oh well.
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It's already a great deal. Nothing to be glum about.
Maybe we didn’t milk it for every penny but we got our guy for nothing.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I just hate relying on headcases like Bedard.
The same can be said about Miller, but I don’t think Bedard was “our guy”. I would have loved Jeremy Guthrie, and while it would have been within the division, I’m pretty sure we could have got him with what we gave up.
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If he doesn’t work out. Oh well. We’ll have the same team that’s currently sitting in first place in the AL with all the significant pieces of our future intact.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
It wasn't a huge risk, for sure, but I'm not a huge believer in Bedard.
At this point, a Buchholz return seems impossible. Come playoff time, I have to hand the ball to either Bedard, Miller, or Wake as the #4 starter. I’d honestly pick Wake.
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What's the problem with Bedard?
When he pitches he’s been very good, even in the AL East. If he is healthy in the playoffs I absolutely hand him the ball after Lackey. Why wouldn’t we? He hasn’t put up an ERA over 4.00 since 2005, his FIPs and xFIPs are just as flattering over the time period except for 2008.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
"If he is healthy"
is pretty much the problem for the past couple years for Bedard. I see the Mariners getting the best out of the deal, given they gave up alot to get Bedard, with Adam Jones as one of the players that the Mariners could had used right now, more than Bedard spending most of the time on the Injured Reserve list..
The trade is a risk, it wasn’t that high, but it is still a risk. However Bedard when was with the Orioles was a good southpaw starting pitcher.
What's not to like?
We replace Miller with a headcase that at least has success in the majors when he is healthy. And on the plus side, we gave up nothing we’ll miss doing so. If he does get injured, oh well, we gave up a catcher, two likely relief pitchers and an OF who was going to get lost among all our other high ceiling outfielders, nothing we’ll legitimately miss or can’t replace.
If he’s healthy and good, this was an amazing trade.
As for Trayvon, seems a little old and I can’t trust any result from the PCL, too many players with inflated stats this year.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
23 is old? Reddick is 24.
Trayvon also had an incredible year in 2010 at AA. I don’t mind Chiang or Fife leaving, but it seems that FedEx is the only credible defensive catcher in the system.
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FedEx was never going to play here, yeah sure it’s nice he played good defense but he wasn’t going to hit enough to be tolerated when we have a guy like Lavarnway who seems to be doing better at catcher and has a bat that can more than cope with defensive deficiencies.
We have enough OF prospects we didn’t need to get Trayvon. We don’t really need to add another OF anyway, we’ve never needed to add one, when Drew sucked we carried him half the year, now he’s replaced by Reddick who will be better, not as good as he started out, but still better than Drew, who I said, wasn’t a detriment.
We got something that could be potentially good, for a bunch of things that don’t matter. Great deal. Could we maybe have swung for Trayvon? Sure but he doesn’t fill a huge need, Bedard does.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
FedEx playing would depend on a lot of things.
1: Will Tek come back?
2: If not, can we rely enough on Salty’s defense if Lavarnway’s sucks as much as advertised?
3: Does Papi come back?
If Tek comes back, assuming we don’t sign another FA, the Lavarnway is our insurance in the minors and FedEx is expendable (for 2012 at least). If not, then Lavarnway is likely a backup, with FedEx as the first call up in case of injury or Lavarnway sucking. If Papi doesn’t come back for some reason, I think Lavarnway gets a good amount of time at DH, meaning that FedEx is the backup C if Tek retires or the minor league insurance if Tek stays.
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Jose Molina would be my top choice there, but I doubt we get him.
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I don't think that was BZ's point here.
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I would think if Papi doesn't come back, Youk (not Lavarnway) is our new DH.
We’ll go get someone for third, or try to play Jed there.
Someone whose defense is comparable to Beltre/Zimmerman
whose bat is underrated because he plays in a ginormous park… I’d be okay with getting that person for third.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I really do believe
that he could be a Pedroia-type bat in Boston. His K rate is a little higher than I’d like, but he’s got decent power to left that would drill doubles daily off the Monster.
He’s got a .292/.382/.398 line so far this year, and a .333/.406/.460 line on the road. BABIP is high, but it has been for his entire career. He could very well be the Sox’ leadoff man for the future, or a good right-handed #6 behind Ortiz.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and lets not forget the most important bit.
.870 OPS this year with men in scoring position.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And actually, as I look at it now
his K rate is under 20%
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh, I mean
HEADLEY SUX! HAS NO POWER! 3B NEED MORE THAN 3 HRS! RAAAAR!
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We didn't get Trayvon, as it turned out.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad this got done
nothing really much given up for a pitcher who could be very useful if he doesn’t get injured.
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YES!!!
"Laser show. So relax."
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
Oops.
Gonzo single in the ninth
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good deal
Chiang is the best player sent packing and he was caught in the OF logjam: ReddickKalishLinHassanHazelbakerBrentzJacobsVitek
as of 5:41pm they have Trayvon Robinson
listed on the 40-man Red Sox roster
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=bos
Weird
Please Please Please tell me we got him and Bedard.
That would be just sick.
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Is the trade official yet? You never know.
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Surprising,
I know. Especially because it gets most of its information from the always accurate reporters.
by frozendesert on Jul 31, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?
It’ll be beyond awesome if they got him.
by Anthony Emerson on Jul 31, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just Checked. Robinson is on the 40 man but Bedard isn't.
So I guess this is unlikely.
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Guessing it's because
Robinson had to be dealt to Boston to be traded to Seattle?
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish we could have given back Fields for Robinson.
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On the trade itself, I love it
That’s 3 prospects who have no future in Boston for Bedard, a solid 3 on any team when healthy, and Fields who, despite his control issues, has first round upside. The only thing that hurts in this deal is Chiang, fortunately the outfield is pretty much shored up for years as everyone else pointed out.
No way to complain about this deal, even if Bedard falters. I’m much happier with Bedard than Harden in any case. Bedard won’t be eligible for type B status, I assume? Classic Theo if he is.
Honestly, I feel we gave up more in the Aviles deal than this. I liked Volz and Navarro was versatile enough to be on the ML roster. The Aviles deal still doesn’t make much sense to. Still, although I would have preferred not to part with Navarro/Volz, it’s not an astronomical price to pay.
I would have liked to see Theo trade for an outfielder but thats what the waiver wire is for. Same goes for a reliever. Another solid deadline for Theo.
Never mind
Mariners are now confirming the deal is done. Robinson is what they got.
Just a screw up on the site.
by Anthony Emerson on Jul 31, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
What are the Dodgers thinking?
Fife/FedEx are good, but once Kemp leaves this year and Ethier next, their outfield looks pretty slim.
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Sox traded away
Navarro, Volz, Chiang, Fed-Ex, Rodriguez and Fife
only Navarro came in on Sickels Top 20 for the org at #15. Volz and Fed-Ex in “others of note” and the other names were not even mentioned.
Preseason, Chiang was nothing.
Fife had a solid year upping his status as well. I like that they “sold high” with Chiang and to an extent Fife.
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I'm still baffled by the Aviles deal, however.
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Not a huge Yamaico fan
I think he has a possible future as a utility guy, but I don’t love his bat in the majors, and defensively he’s solid, not great. Just buying someone they think could help them today.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How does Aviles help us right now any more than Navarro?
I guess a slight edge on defense, but none at all on offense.
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This is how I feel
We traded Navarro for a guy who is older and with less upside and generally playing about the same.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
And if Defense was that important, just bring up Iglesias.
No doubt his D is better than Aviles.
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For who, Aviles?
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And yet,
his new organization doesn’t trust him enough against a former division rival with a tough lefty on the mound.
Navarro does not have 1218 PAs, that's it.
I think Navarro could hit just as well. I’ve noticed he tends to guess a bit, but he hit AAA quite well.
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The difference between Triple-A and the majors is pretty tremendous this year
It’s kind of crazy how few good pitchers are at the level this year. I should look at this in more depth soon.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What is relevant is this year.
Aviles is a utility guy who has minimal value.
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let me rephrase
nothing in his past history makes me believe having a fourth string SS on a roster will make the slightest difference.
I think the point remains that Navarro had upside...
And Aviles wasn’t an upgrade worth giving that away.
Sure… Aviles has done better at the MLB level, but he’s also seven years older with more experience.
Who’s to say Navarro won’t hit better than Aviles as early as 2012? I just don’t see what Aviles brings that Navarro/Iglesias didn’t already give us.
Maybe they wanted a more experienced player for the playoff push/playoffs
and one that has a history of hitting lefties fairly well
Okay, if this guy ends up being this year's Dave Roberts...
… turning a crucial play at a key moment in the playoffs because of his experience, I’ll eat some crow on that too.
However, if Aviles vanishes on this team (as discussed, not being used today) and Navarro develops into a starting SS or 3B…
The I'll be totally okay with it
because the Sox moved him so they could trade for Headley. Duh.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No one said Triple-A doesn't matter
Just that it’s easy to get overly excited about Triple-A numbers that are can look pretty inflated relative to expected major league performance. Especially in a year like this, where Triple-A isn’t loaded with great pitching.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
it's bigger than just this move
do you trade prospects who are performing well but aren’t blue chip for someone with zero potential who, may possibly provide current value in one particular way?
But you look at a tiny sample size of his MLB career and make a call on him?
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Aviles' value to us is pretty much purely as an additional RHB
who can play multiple positions. And the word I hear is they want him to extend to the outfield. That will make him a perfect right-handed bat off the bench.
Overall, he’s not a great hitter, but his career OPS against LHP is a decent .807. And this year its .944.
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If we have to rely on him in the playoffs,
we’re out in the ALDS. A career .807 OPS vs. Lefties isn’t anything.
But it is better than what we've been getting off the bench this year so far.
I’m not claiming he’s going to be a playoff hero. I’m just saying that that’s why they got him – to be a RHB off the bench.
He’s not here to be a starter.
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Who gets the 40 man bump to clear space for Bedard?
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I have it down to Bowden, Williams, and Miller (possibly)
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Miller has to be sent through waivers if demoted
and he could be grabbed by an NL team willing to chance it
Starts like today are a reminder of why that is bad
But starts like his last one are a reminder of why that would be okay. Stop making things difficult, Miller!
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps Miller to the pen? Give Williams the boot?
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My thoughts too...
Haven’t seen anything from Williams to think he is more or less valuable than Miller out of the pen. Again Miller’s inability to make guys swing and miss as well as control issues scare me a bit. Guess that is why Miller was a project all along.
by Chris Sanford on Jul 31, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sox
Prepped Miller as a starter all year. Hard to believe they would change that now.
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by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it highly.
Doesn’t he have that trade clause in his contract, if someone picks him up he gets guaranteed another year at a couple mil right?
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Who's to say a team like Pittsburgh or St Louis or even Cincinatti (who currently have Dontrelle Willis in their rotation)
Could grab Miller for the price tag.
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If they want to pay that
They can have him. I don’t want him. He has about zero value to us. He can be replaced by Aceves or Weiland if we need to throw another bad starter out there. I highly doubt anyone will take a chance on him though since he’s been so bad.
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Here is a list of guys that have to be added to the 40-man and protected (prior to trades)
Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, Fed-Ex, Lin, Chiang, Britton, Cabral, R. Rodriguez, Fife
3 of those just got cleared out
So now its just Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, and Lin who are guaranteed in my opinion.
I think Reynauldo doesn’t get on, and between Cabral and Britton, I’d say only 1 gets a spot.
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When does the Rule V happen?
We might swing some deals in the offseason and clear more space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Can somebody explain the 40-man roster rules... Rule5 also?
Basically you have 25 with the major league team and 15 more guys you can call up and send down as you desire?
I’ve seen some shakey RP lately coming from guys you don’t see often. I’m thinking one of them goes to AAA and Miller tries his luck in the pen. I read somewhere that over 20 pitches or so he can increase velocity. I still don’t like his inability to make guys swing and miss. Balls in play tend to find holes in the defense, especially for him!
As for Rule 5, it's to prevent a team from hoarding minor league talent.
After a specified time period, a prospect is eligible to be rule 5’d, and given a chance in ST to make the team. If he doesn’t make it, he is returned (Cabral this year). But if a prospect is promoted to the 40 man, he is not rule 5 eligible. There is a good chance that Fife or FedEx or Chiang would have stuck on a roster.
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I honestly thought some NL team would take a flier on him.
He’s done well in AAA… he needs to go somewhere they haven’t seen that motion of his enough to figure it out.
So why didn’t some NL team offer a prospect that isn’t panning out in their system for a guy that could help them get into the playoffs?
I wonder...
Just how much more the M’s could have squeezed out if Bedard had even a halfway decent outing his last time on the mound for them.
Interesting note
from Jeff Sullivan on Lookout Landing. People have expressed concern over how Bedard’s reticent personality will fly in Boston. But check out this tidbit from a 2007 interview of Bedard when he was still in Baltimore:
Q: Most fun city in baseball?
A: Boston. I love the stadium and the city. It’s not overwhelming like New York.
So he has that going for him.
I do like hearing guys coming to Boston say nice things about the city and Fenway.
Especially when they made the comments before they were traded or signed.
I'm thinking Aviles gets some work in OF as well as utility IF if Drew comes back.
In that case, D-Mac goes while Drew backs up Reddick in RF, and Aviles and Sutton can play everywhere except P and C. Very versatile with these backups in place and we don’t have to look at D-Mac’s numbers anymore and have more speed to PR off the bench.
I am pretty fucking happy about this.
Bedard was pretty much my #1 choice out of the available arms. Wish we could have swung that Harden trade though.
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Yeah, getting both of them would have been a coup.
Especially, if the price was just Lars. I was fine using three roster spots for one spot in the rotation (Harden, Bedard and Buchholz – please tell me Buchholz is coming back eventually).
I guess we balked on the PTBNL
which probably means it was one of the pieces we used to land Bedard, or someone who was hurt but we don’t want to deal.
Still, Beckett/Lester/Bedard/Harden/Lackey is drool worthy if they all happen to be healthy. Beckett/Lester/Buchholz/Bedard/Harden in the playoff would rival the Phillies and Giants.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Since it was a PTBNL...
…there’s a decent chance it was a player from 2010 Draft class (since you can’t be traded until a year after you’ve signed from the draft) and that that player was the better piece in the deal. Just a guess, but an educated one.
by UltimateCranston on Jul 31, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but you only need 4 starters in the post season
And none of the aforementioned 5 (or just Bedard/Harden/Lackey really) is a better choice than Aceves for long relief, so how does getting both Harden and Bedard help?
I guess you would be able to pick and choose who fits best
before going in.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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This
and you have two long relievers in case something like Game 4 2004 happens.
You can match lefty-righty splits. Not to mention Harden> Wake in the reg season.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said in the Harden trade thread
Theo should hire a mad scientist to graft them together into a super pitcher who won’t get hurt.
And at least they’re both more reliable than Ben Sheets.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Or alternatively it was a 2010 draftee.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Harden trade fallout
Basically red sox wanted a health clause
According to gammons…
if he stayed healthy rest of season, A’s get ptbnl
If he didnt no ptbnl
Red Sox offered alternative deal of only Anderson…A’s said no.
The disagreement wasnt on Lars
This disagreement was the health clause and basing the addition of ptbnl on harden’s health
Actually
Lars was really pumped to go back home to Northern California and have an actual chance to play in the Major Leagues (unlike in Boston). This news is probably kind of devastating.
Yeah
I actually feel kind of sorry for Lars. I think he’ll be dealt for a spare part this winter because Theo feels really sorry for him.
by Anthony Emerson on Jul 31, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As with most trades....
Guy you have heard of who has question marks is traded for a bunch of guys you couldn’t pick out of a lineup and will probably never hear about again.
Yay!
That note is always related, regardless of the topic.
And Cards need to score some runs.
by frozendesert on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my opinion
Navarro is not going to be a signifigant part of the team in the future. We are loaded at outfield for year to come. So we sold high on a prospect w/o a spot, got a very good starting pitcher who should really help sure up the rotation, without giving up Middlebrooks, Ranaudo, Lavarnway, or any big time prospect for that matter. I mean, Aviles is a very risky move, but really now, is Navarro that good to begin with?
"Rodney Purvis sucks!"
-Chicken Knowles
Aviles is redundant, which what bothers me.
Like today, he had good numbers against Buerhle, but so did Scoot.
When/If Lowrie is back, will we be playing Aviles ahead of Lowrie against LHP? I doubt it, as a RHB, Lowrie should be hitting 6th….even as the defensive liability he has become.
Aviles is a good athlete, but if he is going to be made into an OF’er, he will have to play RF. That’s frightening in Fenway. He could play LF, but with Crawford healthy……that’s not going to happen.
Aviles role is very much unclear once Lowrie is back.
As I said further up above, Aviles is not here to be a starter.
He’s here to be a RHB off the bench. And his position versatility will give Francona flexibility on inserting him. Thats pretty much it.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
right,
he’ll play days when Youk has fouled too many balls off himself or when Scutaro needs a rest. Maybe once or twice in place of Crawford if desperate. Maybe he’ll pitch an inning in some game! Maybe he’ll pinch run and steal a base at a critical time.
He’s not here to platoon with anyone. He’ll get a rare start. Probably Tuesday will be his first is my guess.
Is Lowrie coming back?
I mean, I want him to. And I want him to rake the way he was when I started the campaign to write him in at SS for the All Star Game.
Just wondering if he’s coming back.
Yes, he's coming back.
He should be starting his rehab assignment with Pawtucket tomorrow (Monday).
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
We don’t know how good he could be, he was never given a solid chance. But I was among a few of us here who thought pretty highly of him, he can play anywhere and the thoughts on his defense as he was coming up the system was that it was pretty good, I don’t think bouncing all over the field helped that, and his bat was good enough to start at 3B if need be, but at minimum he was likely to be a solid utility player. At maximum I feel Aviles will be a solid utility player and on average, probably below average if his stats when being a util can be believed. I just hate that trade, made no sense to me, I’ve never been sold that this team so desperately needs a RH bat off the bench, to what purpose? “Upgrade” the offense? Is that even possible at this point? I think throwing away Navarro like that will come back to hurt us sometime.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
He'll probably being our Starting SS next year
Unless Lowrie is healthy
Navarro?
probably not. Unless he actually started hitting well in the majors. He’s certainly not a defensive specialist and has seemed overmatched so far. I think they’d hold onto Scoot over him
or if you meant Aviles
my comment is exactly the same, but I’m saying those things about Aviles and not Navarro :)

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