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MLB Trade Deadline Coverage--The Latest Red Sox Trade Rumors

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UPDATE 4:53 p.m. SUNDAY: The Trade Breakdown: BOS Gets Erik Bedard and reliever Joshua Fields from Seattle. SEA Gets Trayvon Robinson from the Dodgers and Chih-Hsien Chang from Boston. LAD gets Tim Federowicz, reliever Juan Rodriguez and starter Stephen Fife from Boston. 

UPDATE 4:06 p.m. SUNDAY: Gordon Edes says Erik Bedard is a Red Sox, and it seems minor league catcher Tim Federowicz was the price. More on this later.

UPDATE 4:00 p.m. SUNDAY: The deadline is now officially over, but things do tend to trickle in for another 30 minutes or so. Still no word yet on if Boston acquired anything other than Mike Aviles this weekend.

UPDATE 3:51 p.m. SUNDAY: Jayson Stark says that Bedard to the Red Sox is still possible -- is that what Boston has been working on this last 90 minutes or so? 

UPDATE 3:25 p.m. SUNDAY: Pure speculation, but the deafening silence coming from Boston and its beat writers at this moment leads one to believe that they are working on something. Thoughts on what? Ludwick to Pittsburgh is close, according to Jon Morosi, and Heath Bell may still be available, though it seems it would cost the team in prospects.

UPDATE 3:00 p.m. SUNDAY: Marc here now to keep with the updates and trades for the last hour and change.

UPDATE 2:43 p.m. SUNDAY: We are closing in on an hour and 15 minutes until the deadline. All quiet on the Red Sox front to this point.

UPDATE 2:32 p.m. SUNDAY: Bell apparently not the guy, it's Mike Adams. The Rangers have acquired Adams, not bell for two prospects per Jim Bowden. Bell still out there. 

UPDATE 2:25 p.m. SUNDAYAccording to Rosenthal, the Rangers will acquire Heath Bell from the Padres. No other details at this point.

UPDATE 2:23 p.m. SUNDAYGordon Edes of ESPN Boston reports that the Red Sox have had no discussions in recent time with the Cubs about Matt Garza.

UPDATE 2:19 p.m. SUNDAY: Looks like we've heard the last of big-name outfielders being moved. Heyman reports that both Josh Willingham and Coco Crisp will stay in Oakland for now. We heard earlier B.J. Upton is likely to stay put.

UPDATE 2:15 p.m. SUNDAYHeyman is hearing that a deal that would send Iannetta to the Jays has cooled a little bit.

UPDATE 2:00 p.m. SUNDAY: Exactly 2 hours to go until the 4:00 p.m. deadline. So far, Sox still interested in Bedard and could focus on the relief market. Gonna be a busy two hours.

UPDATE 1:55 p.m. SUNDAY: Joel Sherman reports that the Red Sox had some interest in Mets outfielder Scott Hairston, but the Mets didn't like the players they would receive in return

UPDATE 1:48 p.m. SUNDAYHeyman reports that the Mariners are still discussing Erik Bedard with the Red Sox and Cardinals, among others.

UPDATE 1:41 p.m. SUNDAYAlex Speier checks in to say that the Red Sox are not in discussions with the Padres about either Heath Bell or the other San Diego relievers.

UPDATE 1:36 p.m. SUNDAY: Just a few notes around the league. Jon Morosi believes that the Pirates could make a serious run at B.J. Upton with Jason Kubel off the market. Also, the Blue Jays appear to be interested in the Rockies' Chrs Iannetta. He is reportedly not in today's Rockies lineup. Meanwhile, the talks between the Nationals and Twins aren't going to well

UPDATE 1:20 p.m. SUNDAY: Will Middlebrooks, a Red Sox top prospect is not in the starting lineup for the Sea Dogs today. He'd played 17 straight games before today. Not really sure what to think about this. Ubaldo is off the board.

Star-divide

UPDATE 1:17 p.m. SUNDAY: Heyman reports that the A's obtained Lars Anderson 2.0 in Brandon Allen in the Ziegler trade. With Allen coming, it appears that we can deem the Rich Harden trade talks as dead.

UPDATE 1:06 p.m. SUNDAYAccording to Jon Morosi of Fox Sports, the Red Sox are not among the teams interested in the Astros' Wandy Rodriguez. Morosi also reports a trade of Rodriguez is 50/50.

UPDATE 1:03 p.m. SUNDAY: Tim Brown of Yahoo reports that the Indians are on the verge of acquiring Ryan Ludwick from the San Diego Padres. The deal has not yet been deemed official.

UPDATE 1:02 p.m. SUNDAYDanny Knobler of CBS Sports has confirms a report that the D'Backs have acquired Brad Ziegler from the Oakland A's. 

UPDATE 1:00 p.m. SUNDAY: Back from a quick lunch break, looks like Heyman is giving credence to the report that the Red Sox are looking into the reliever market. They don't like what they see in the pitcher pool.

UPDATE 12:20 p.m. SUNDAY: According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, the Red Sox are not enthused by the current starting pitching market. Sherman speculates they could look at the reliever market and just use Alfredo Aceves in the rotation. This would be bad.

UPDATE 12:07 p.m. SUNDAY: According to the folks on MLB Network, the Yankees are in "serious discussions" to acquire Wandy Rodriguez from the Astros.

UPDATE 12:01 p.m. SUNDAYAccording to Sean McAdam of CSNNE, there is an outside chance that the Red Sox revive trade talks with the A's about Rich Harden, but it remains unlikely. McAdam believes the Red Sox will instead look at other options and will strike a deal later today for a starter.

UPDATE 11:53 a.m. SUNDAY: There is a lot of uncertainty in the Heath Bell trade rumors. The Rangers, who were the front runners appear to be losing momentum according to Ken Rosenthal. Rosenthal mentions that the Cardinals remain in the mix and that talks are still "fluid". Yankees appear out.

UPDATE 11:47 a.m. SUNDAY: The Rafael Furcal trade to St. Louis is now official, according to Heyman. Furcal is a Cardinal.

UPDATE 11:36 a.m. SUNDAY: According to MLB Network Radio, The Red Sox have resumed discussions with the Chicago Cubs about acquiring starting pitcher Matt Garza. The Red Sox have reportedly been interested in Garza for a while now as talks appear to be back on. 

UPDATE 11:27 a.m. SUNDAY: The Yankees appear to be making a strong push for Wandy Rodriguez of the Astros according to Rosenthal

UPDATE 11:06 a.m. SUNDAY: With the Phillies already acquiring Hunter Pence from the Astros and Atlanta's acquisition on Bourn this morning, it appears the Rays will hold onto B.J. Upton according to Heyman. The Nationals remain the only possible destination for Upton at the moment, but they seem close to making a Denard Span for Drew Storen trade with the Twins.

UPDATE 11:00 a.m. SUNDAYSI's Jon Heyman tells us that the Red Sox are also discussing Bedard with the Mariners. Bedard has been connected to just the Cardinals earlier this morning. Heyman mentions that another team is in the mix. Probably the Yankees.

UPDATE 10:57 a.m SUNDAYRosenthal is back with an update on the availability of Astros pitcher Wandy Rodriguez. As of right now, the Astros don't feel inclined to move him unless there are "impact prospects" in the deal. The Astros would also need to pick up a big chunk of 40 million dollars left on his contract. 

UPDATE 10:39 a.m. SUNDAYRosenthal checks in again with news that the Cardinals and Mariners are in trade talks involving Erik Bedard. The Cardinals already acquired Edwin Jackson last week, and may want to upgrade their pitching even more. If Bedard goes to the Cardinals, it's one less option for the Red Sox. 

UPDATE 10:10 a.m. SUNDAY: The reliever market is starting to heat up. The Yankees are reportedly in on Padres closer Heath Bell and the Diamondbacks are taking a close look at Grant Balfour of the A's. The Padres have been in serious talks with the Rangers all week, but no deal has been reached. Balfour, meanwhile hasn't come up in trade rumors at all. He could still be dealt though. Back to Bell though--that trade makes no sense if I'm the Yankees.

UPDATE 9:45 a.m. SUNDAYAccording to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Atlanta Braves have acquired center fielder Michael Bourn from the Houston Astros for four prospects. Makes me wonder, are the Astros in full sell mode? If so, are starters Brett Myers and Wandy Rodriguez available for a team like the Red Sox to take?

9:00 a.m. SUNDAY: If you went to bed last night thinking the Red Sox had acquired Rich Harden from the Oakland A's, you may be a little surprised when we tell you this. The Harden trade to Boston fell through late last night into the early morning hours for undisclosed reasons. Harden would have given the Red Sox a possible boost to their lagging pitching rotation.

Even though they may not have been able to complete the Harden trade, the Red Sox will surely be very active on this July 31, looking at alternative starting pitchers. Erik Bedard of the Mariners remains a very likely possibility for the Red Sox if they choose to believe his last start was just a hoax, and that he'll be okay. Other possible names include Bedard's teammate, Jason Vargas and the Orioles' Jeremy Guthrie. Maybe the Red Sox choose to rekindle talks and execute a trade for Rich Harden.

The Red Sox could also look to target right handed hitting bench bats or left-handed relief pitchers. As of yesterday, the White Sox's Carlos Quentin and Matt Thornton were high on the Red Sox' wish-list. Who knows what will happen today? All we can tell you, is you need to keep it right here at OTM. The rest of the staff and I will keep you up to date on the latest trade rumors.

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we must be desperate

to offer a good prospect for rich harden. That guys on a steady decline and has really never proven he can stay healthy long enough to matter in the playoffs.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Lars isn't a good prospect for the Sox

He’s an extra part that has to go somewhere now before he spoils. Basically, it was Harden for free. I’m shocked the As wanted him, they already have a OBP-no power first baseman in Daric Barton.

by cds7c on Jul 31, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

i know

we have no place for lars, and his value is down. But harden is still the bottom of the barrel at this point.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

of an already almost empty barrel yes

It’s not like there are a plethora of quality starters on the market

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't feel comfortable with merely

“better than Miller”.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

“Better than Miller” for how long? Four starts … five before he’s back on the DL?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 31, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, neither am I

But barring a surprise move, it’ll be a guy like Bedard or nothing at all it seems.

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 31, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was going to be for free

My suspicion is that the PTBNL is actually one of our 2010 draftees, most of which I wouldn’t want to lose.

Lars is a throw away in this deal, I think the meat was the unnamed player.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

LARS IS NOT A GOOD PROSPECT

ARHGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHG

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

We must be pretty damn desperate to offer that PTBNL.

Lars isn’t a prospect anymore, he’s got so little value to anyone right now.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have faith in Theo

I believe he will pull off an unexpected deal today for a SP

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

As revolting as it would be to see Garza in the Fenway Whites

he’d be one hell of an addition to our pitching staff.

Any port in a storm, as they say…

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guthrie

Guthrie is the only name that interests me. Pitched very well in past years, and has shown flashes when I have seen him this year. But has also fallen apart when I have seen him this year.

Is he hurt?
A head case?

Just demoralized on a bad team? If so, what does that tell us?

If we could get Guthrie for Lars, I would. But I suspect they want more.

by Frank Malzone on Jul 31, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I suspect they would not trade within their own division.

And if they did…they’d want a LOT more.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 31, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you think the Yanks would offer?

And why do you think Guthrie is so inconsistent this year?

by Frank Malzone on Jul 31, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

the cubs gm should be fired

how can he come out and refuse to trade Pena, Byrd, Dempster, Baker?

I can understand Garza but to not explore deals for the others makes no sense at all

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't like the trade as much for them

They gave up Schaefer, who is pretty much a younger Bourn in training, and a couple of good pitching prospects. If it’s their idea on how to counter the Phillies, it’s not a great one.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we get something done today...

Bedard isn’t something.

I don’t want the best player we acquire on Deadline week, to be a utility man that plays about as well as Scutaro on average.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Aviles was a decent trade

our 23 year old looked like a deer in headlights

might be better someday, but we need a little better right now

I am not sure I want to see a trade today. I fear what we will give up, and do not see much on the market that is a big upgrade

who (currently on the market) do you want us to get?

by Frank Malzone on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a crap trade

We traded crap for crap, at least our crap had potential to become more than crap. Aviles will likely remain as crap since he is crap when he isn’t getting full starting time, which he won’t get here.

Crap, my general feeling on the subject.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since we won't upgrade our rotation at this point unless we can somehow fix Harden with bandaids...

And the right handed hitting outfielder ship has sailed (minus Ludwick, but I think Reddick is better ANYWAY)…

I want us to get Heath Bell or some other reliever.

We won’t be improving anything else it feels, so we may as well pile on more depth if we can.

Although I still say no trade > Bedard.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

our bullpen is pretty good

I could see if there’s a lefty reliever available, that could make sense, but trading for someone like Bell would just be trading a lot of value for something that really isn’t a need for us. Like if we tried to trade for Prince Fielder. Don’t want a significant trade just for the sake of a significant trade.

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man Fuck the Cardinals! You should be limited to 2 trades at the deadline.

They’re retarded. Dumping Rasmus for a couple Type-Bs and 2 months of Edwin Jackson and they get Furcal because the Dodgers are a sorry excuse for a franchise right now. Damn that city. I hope they don’t win the central even after all this shuffling.

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by GameSox on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the least...

… they should be penalized for trading Rasmus for nothing. We have tons of nothing we could have traded for Rasmus.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

good

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can have him,

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bedard>Myers

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by GameSox on Jul 31, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Myers=Bedard

That's it. I want Roy Halladay. And Cliff Lee

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

and King Felix

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

He’s a morally reprehensible turd burglar

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ken Rosenthal

“Astros will move Wandy only if they get impact prospects. Would need to pay chunk of nearly $40M due.”

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd make that trade.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't you be worried about any NL pitcher

A lot of people think Wandy can’t pitch in the AL and it’s all just opinion because nobody has given any reasoning behind it. Yeah, I’d be worried about him, but I’d be worried about Ubaldo too.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was worried about Ubaldo.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So would I.

I’ll take Wandy for an “Impact Prospect”

They are the Astros, Lars Anderson could be an impact if he played the outfield.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He can't play outfield

too slow

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hence why I say "if"

I just want to get rid of him. I don’t care for what. He’s dead weight now.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on who the impact prospect is

do they mean Raunado? Iglesias? Middlebrooks? Not worth Wandy to me.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raunado and Middlebrooks? I would say no.

Iglesias? I say yes. I don’t have a lot of Iggy love.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raunado and Middlebrooks? I would say no.

Iglesias? I say yes. I don’t have a lot of Iggy love.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep...

hes probably the best option on the table. Definitely better than bedard or harden.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this statement.

I still hold out hope Red Sox brass will convince Kuroda to waive his no trade clause and he’ll come over, but Wandy is the best we can hope for.

Do it Theo. They are in rebuild mode. Save the Trade Deadline.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

if houston will pay some $$

then it makes a lot of sense.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

afaic, nothing we've done this weekend makes any sense

First we trade a 23 year old AAA shortstop with an .830 OPS to the Royals for a 30 year old useless nobody. Then, later in the day, we refuse to trade a 23 year old AAA 1B with a .780 OPS for an always-injured but occasionally brilliant starter?

Idiocy, total idiocy.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

lot of time before the deadline is over Sean

Theo will make something happen.

Bedard is better than Harden, but neither were ideal.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think itl come to that

let somebody else overpay for bedard. Id rather we overpay for somebody like wandy. Though im thinking the best option may be to just hope our rotation fixes itself by october

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

the last thing we need

is another 30yo+ pitcher due a ton of money.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

im not saying hes a great idea but....

if theyr going to do anything, theres a lack of options.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

close enough

don’t even care about proper production, there is a chance, albeit small, that he turns into a decent chip to trade. Certainly more useful than a 4th MIF.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with what you said.

He might have been able to succeed Youk.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I blame lars

it’s all about karma

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Well I blame Lars

seriously though, did the Red Sox not know who Rich Harden is? Of course he has bad medical records, he’s Rich Harden!

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Theo, we've checked the medical records...

… and apparently Rich Harden actually doesn’t have a pitching arm. It’s a fake, held on with duct-tape and bailing wire."

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

They know who he was

And the hold up isn’t because they don’t want to trade Lars. I’m telling you, that PTBNL, was going to be someone good who they don’t want to just give away.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you...

… but the PTBNL being someone good is silly. This is Rich Harden. He’s on the DL so much, he’s the only guy to ever be in the majors for five years before exhausting his rookie eligibility (no, not really).

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buehrle?

Oh yes! But I highly doubt he is available.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

giving up the farm for a second or third choice

when you could have a potential stopgap solution for nothing is idiocy.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

the options presented are not stop gaps

Carl Pavano/Buehrle is a stop gap, Bedard is not because of injury risk

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much for Buehrle?

The White Sox love him. I’m not so hot on Carl pavano.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

The white sox are 3 games out

that’s the problem

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

why would they trade him?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

because kenny williams likes to wheel and deal

and hes not that smart

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is Kenny williams

so anything is possible

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pavano and Buehrle are pretty much the same pitcher

This year:
Buehrle – 4.84 K/9 1.95 BB/9 3.78 FIP/4.09 xFIP (44.0% GB)
Pavano – 3.77 K/9 1.79 BB/9 4.15 FIP/4.22 xFIP (48.9% GB)

Career:
Buehrle – 5.08 K/9 2.05 BB/9 4.13 FIP/4.22 xFIP (45.8% GB)
Pavano – 5.55 K/9 2.22 BB/9 4.15 FIP/4.11 xFIP (46.4% GB)

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd take either

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put Miller in the package for Buehrle

And get the deal done in the next two hours. That would be interesting.

by steel sox on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garza Talks back on

http://twitter.com/#!/redsoxstats/status/97691337519927296

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

@#$%ing Alpaca.

Get him.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

why?

I’m not a big Garza fan. I feel they would have to give up too much for an average pitcher.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

True enough

but I hate giving up a lot for him because he’s ehhhhh as a whole.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, as of right now we have no legit 3rd starter

and the red sox cannot win the ws as currently constructed

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is pitching very well this year.

And he has shown he can pitch in the AL too. I don’t want to give up the farm for him, but he would be a great acquisition.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as no Middlebrooks or Lavarnway

sure

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

why? middlebrooks has no future here

he is blocked! I will never understand this kind of thinking

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Youkilis DH

possibly.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

there won't be a player option for a third year

I think Ortiz would be thrilled with 2, and if not, he knows perfectly well that he needs the Red Sox more than the Red Sox need him

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

and use him for a bigger name

not Garza.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

uhhhh they wanted him for Ubaldo

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

they can use him for a big, big piece if needed.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes not one for one

and Garza is better in my opinion than Ubaldo

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT!?!?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I absolutely think Garza is better than Ubaldo

everyday of the week and tice on sunday

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

twice thrice

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

what numbers are you looking at?

Ubaldo: 128 OPS+ in the NL. Garza: 101 OPS+ in 20 starts.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes,

they’ve been in different leagues and divisions, so it’s almost unfair to compare them at all.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree,

and I’d prefer him to Garza, but I may rather trade for Garza because there would be less risk. Obiously price is dependent.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Ubaldo has worse numbers than Garza in the NL

How do you think he’s going to do in the east? He was good in COL, but I think he was overrated because of his wins and ERA last year.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

he would not have worked out here and he bet he’s below average in Cleveland.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about below average,

but he better be all he was in Colorado because they gave Pomeranz, White, and more.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCabe the 1B I think

I’m a big White fan. I would not have traded him.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mcbride and Gardner

Some say Gardner was a top 10 in THEIR system, so it was quite a bit.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he isnt.

Youk is not going to be at third for more than 2 years.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is not blocked.

You’ve been totally right about Quentin and possibly Buchholz, but Middlebrooks is effectively blocked by Youkilis or Ortiz (with Youk sliding into the DH spot). That’s not a long-term blockage.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garza is no average pitcher

with his K rate and GB% he is in a class closer to Jon Lester and Roy Halladay than he is to average pitchers. He is an elite talent under control for two more years. The Cubs would have to be nuts to trade him

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

If we can get him…freakin’ get him.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been very solid in the AL east

and his numbers are great in NL central, so we should be able to expect his old numbers, which are more than enough for a #3

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I'm desperately hoping we get Bedard

and then desperately hoping he doesn’t suck/fall apart.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

If we get Garza, I will be ecstatic.

The spitting is gross, but I love the way he throws the ball.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

me too

and I do NOT want the MFY getting him, no thanks to seeing him again in october

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on what we give up for him.

I do not want the So giving up what Cleveland gave up for Jimenez. It all comes down to cost for me on Garza.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Garza is '12-13 arb elligible and a 2014 FA,

so the price should be steep.

WMB and Ranaudo for him?

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh god I hope not.

I am all for getting him, but not at that cost. Especially Middlebrooks. He can help the team in the very near future.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

IF certain moves occur. He needs to develop a good deal more and those moves might not occur.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would also be ecstatic

and completely shocked… but i just dont see a garza deal happening.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Theo

he seems to pull these types of deals off.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So.....

Lars and a PTBNL for Garza? Hahaha. If only.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm thinking

Reddick, Expo, PTBNL as a draft pick from last year, and Lowrie?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Reddick, and it's hard to get teams to take players off the DL.

Why give up one of the guys who you expect to be in RF next year.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kalish

and they have to give up someone for him

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kalish's value with injury is pretty small right now

Reddick just doesn’t make sense because he’s our right fielder of the present with no one to take his place

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK

Weiland/Doubront, Lin, draft pick.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that you need to give up something

But my issue is that Reddick is the RF right now.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

no its not

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next year's RF/CF? Very good 3B?

Yeah, that’s a bit to give up.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

all the criticism given to red sox fans about thiking their prospects are gold

is absolutely true.

I cannot believe than in a year where we are so close some of you would rather hold onto guys who are blocked, instead of going for it all.

They cannot win unless they add a legit #3.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is league average

For a WS club, I don’t want him as our #3 pitcher. I would much rather have Buchholz.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Buchholz too

but he is not coming back

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just about to say that to you

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

use stats at least to prove your point

sean has, you have not.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

and they can get him for less

than you want to give up. I want Garza, but they can give up less than you seem to think.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, they cannot

because our prospects are not as good as you think

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, can you prove that?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

its all opinion

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, it isn't

you can base it on existing fact.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure,

but Britton and Pimentel were good until now. Lars was a top prospect and now we can barely get rid of him. We can’t trade them all, but we can’t keep them all.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm saying to keep two guys

Lavarnway and Middlebrooks. Anyone else I can trade.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would for the right price

but I’m not looking to give him away.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE KNOW

For the love of Jobu could you please stop saying something to that affect every 10 freaking comments. It’s getting out of hand. You’re nearly spamming the blog with Lars hate.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just pointing out

they say he was a top prospect, I never saw him as that so the argument does not work.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

WE KNOW

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So stop trying to use him in a

prospects that dont work out argument because he doesnt count in my mind.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and just because you didn't like him

Doesn’t mean that at one point he wasn’t a top prospect. He was. That happened. To say he wasn’t a top prospect is just completely false. He isn’t anymore, but he was.

Just about every major scouting organization had him in our top prospect list, all of them. He was a top prospect list and because you say he wasn’t any good doesn’t make that fact any less true.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

then opinion being argued is moronic

and I believe that the system is a top 10 in baseball with some legit prospects and that can be proven with stats. prove to me statistically that they are not.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the Top 10 you are defining

In the traditional sense, no I don’t think we are. But that is largely because we don’t have a lot in the upper minors at the moment and farm evaluators reasonably put more points in that. However, I think our lower minors is almost certainly in the top 10, we have so much upside there with a lot more to be added after these current draftees sign.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%

only a few guys in AA and AAA but if the guys in A develop accordingly then we could easily have top 5 in two years.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once we see more from the guys

we drafted last year, maybe we’re top 10. But without data on those guys, then it’s just projection of high schoolers and speculation.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hernandez and Workman could be studs.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Which is why I think we aren’t top 10 right now, but I think we will be, and that doesn’t make Marisa entirely wrong.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What you said is exactly what I think

you just put it, much, much better.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

BA has them at 17

Interestingly, COL was 10, and now they’re going to move up.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with BA

I think the system is vastly undervalued to be honest.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

We had a down year last year and our OF depth went from Reddick/Kalish to a list I probably can’t fit in too well with the comments being so far to the right of the screen. Last years draft class has held up their end pretty well I think also.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can move up

Britton and Stolmy will move down, though.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly

And pitching did fall this year, Pimental, Britton, Doubront down, Kelly gone.

Weiland and Ranuado and his band of 1st year prospects did decently I think though. Not enough to offset the down I think, but in a couple years the positional depth is going to be insane, and the lack of pitching won’t matter so much.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

you overvalue Garza like crazy

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reddick isn't an overvalued prospect

He’s ON THE TEAM.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if he comes back down to earth a bit

Do you want Drew playing RF down the stretch?

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need pitching more than offense

give me McDonald and Drew if it means getting Garza

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hanging on to prospects is not a bad thing.

Look at all the homegrown talent we have on our team right now.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if we traded Lester for Santana?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

never would've happened

Would’ve been Ellsbury and some milb fodder.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure about that

and Ellsbury had a solid first full season that year.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Santana had a 2.5 ERA for Los Mets

while Beckett was sucking, and we had Crisp.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok

well what about this year?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said at the time

Ells had one all-star year in him. This is it. Rather have gone to the 2008 rolling rally.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. They wanted Ellsbury in that trade too.

There is a reason you hang on to prospects. If we had the logic of just trading prospects to “sell high” then we would have Pedey, Youk, Lester, Ells, Bard, Paps, Buchholz, etc.

I am fine with giving up top prospects for a guy like Gonzalez. But players like Gonzalez are not exactly a dime a dozen. We shouldn’t just be trading prospects.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

No they didn't

Everyone seems to forget this offseason. Twins GM called Theo day-of for a final offer to match the absolute nothing that the Mets gave him. Would have been Ellsbury + change.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean is right on this point

once yankees were out, Theo dropped out

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am of the mind

that overvaluing prospects in a large media market is a tremendous decision. It gives an aura to the organization that likely gives you the edge.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you're right our prospects are always crap

Pedroia, Youkilis, Lester, Buchholz, Bard, Papelbon, Lowrie, Reddick, HanRam, Ellsbury.

Can’t believe we valued any of them enough to keep. Shoulda shipped half of them out for godly Santana when we had the chance.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Lowrie

Gives crap MI Aviles a shot at starting if Scoots injury gets too bad.

That’s a doomscrap situation.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lowrie is shit

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's been unlucky in getting hurt.

Not crap. There’s a difference.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

he didn’t say crap. he said another word.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Semantics. My point still stands.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

o please "unlucky"

he is injury prone

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you are Rich Harden

then you are “injury prone”
he might actually be made out of toothpicks.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

What were his injuries?

He got hit in the field, he got hit by a pitch, and he caught a disease. It’s not like he tore a muscle or pulled a quad. So unless he really did have Jedi powers to bend space and time, I don’t see how he avoids those problems.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

And is Pedroia injury prone, then?

He’s suffered just as many injuries as Lowrie, and we lost him for the season in part because he tried to rush his recovery.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sutton

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since it's the Cubs, they don't need a SS

So it has to be Reddick/Kalish, Lowrie as a 3B, PTBL from last ears draft, Lars and Expo.

The Red Sox suck, and I am the dirt that was sucked in, I am a dirty.

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This is my favorite day of the year.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

;

This is killing my lacrosse writing production. Oh well, I have after 4pm.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

This might be my favorite tweet ever
http://twitter.com/#!/alexspeier/status/97693820254306304

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Pedey is one-of-a-kind.

I’d want to hit him over the head with a bat if he played for any other franchise.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

In Other News, Incarcerated Bob Says the Yankees are about to get Wandy.

Not holding my breath though…

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by Jared Stegall on Jul 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

who are they giving up?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno but

id be willing to bet if it happens the yankees will take alot of his salary

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No Idea, he won't say...

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by Jared Stegall on Jul 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The voices in his head haven't told him yet.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You definitely need to have an additional source with him.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah I remember this guy now

so yeah it’s not happening.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

For everyone here, who are your Untouchables?

Mine are Ranaudo and Middlebrooks and maybe Lavarnway and Brentz unless we were getting someone mint in return.

Go Sox

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Middlebrooks and Lavarnway

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

for like, Gonzalez, yeah

but for Garza? No.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That will never happen.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

never said there was a problem with a bad clubhouse guy if he produces

which, by the way, I feel is massively overstated for hanley. Difference is, Hanley has recently been a top 3 NL player.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

we have 4 shortstops

only one is possibly above average defensively. I don’t care; I’d rather have the best overall player.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

beats the hell out of me

I wasn’t actually being serious about there being a fit, but I wouldn’t consider any one player untouchable to get him back.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

this team would not have the cips for a hanley deal

even if he was available

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

the chips

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most likely

but, the Marlins are cheap, and nobody will go to their new bagel slicer next year.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I guess agree with that.

If it gets us a Gonzalez then I agree.

But since there is no Gonzalez type out there, I don’t want to part with any of the three that I mentioned this year.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same mindset I have.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ranaudo, Middlebrooks, Lavarnway.

I imagine most people will say those three.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree. For the packages on the market right now, I'd say...

Lavarnway, Ranaudo, Boegarts

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by GameSox on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

no such thing

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noone

I truly don’t think we have an “untouchable” prospect at this point. My reasoning? – We have a very good opportunity to have a serious run at multiple W.S. in the here and now. Lester/Pedroia, et al are not going to get younger. We need to make a run for it now…not hold onto guys who will be playing in 2014 after our core has left/disbanded

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

untouchables-

Ranaudo
Igelesis
Reddick
Lavarnway

I would be willing to trade Middlebrooks only if the deal was for a major piece like a Garza or the like and that seems totally unlikely. I include Iglesis simply because I don’t think his true value would ever be met with his current struggles at the plate. Of course none is really untaouchable if a good enough deal comes along

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can live with moving Iglesias.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iglesias is more touchable

than the hookers down in the Market in Ottawa.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

not because he couldn’t be trade but because he can’t be traded for the value he deserves right now

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he can be traded for MORE than the value he deserves right now.

He can’t hit. Trading him while he still has his “OMG vacuum glove” reputation will net you more than after another year of people watching him not hit.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can't hit because he shouldn't be in AAA

they rushed him there.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I'll agree with that

mind you, there were people on this board saying that he should be a September call-up this year/next year’s starter when the season began.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he is just not ready for that

give the kid time.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a demotion is more like it.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup. Down you go.

Or out you go, for big, juicy talent!

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the only specific place I know of that has hookers.

I mean, there’s Time’s Square…but that’s Letterman’s bit.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Times Square lost the hookers 20 years ago

Unless you consider the chain stores there now to be whores

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah. Bloomberg or someone cleared them outta there, right?

(Surely to God it hasn’t been 20 years, though.)

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Iglesias is the only one of our prospects who

gets described as having anything elite, which is his defense.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But does he have a position?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Middlebrooks and his defense are also described that way.

Which is why he is so coveted despite a bat that isn’t at the elite level yet.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ranaudo and middlebrooks

I would trade Lavarnway now while his stock is high, he has no position.

I would trade Reddick for Garza and play DMac +JDD+RHB like Jaackson or Ludwick

by cds7c on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

10:58am: The Red Sox tried to remove the player to be named later from the deal and just send Anderson after looking at Harden’s medicals, and were rebuffed by the A’s, tweets Sean McAdam.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

That PTBNL was going to be pretty good.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

One interesting thing

we cannot really develop all the 3B prospects we currently have. Vitek, Brentz Middlebrooks etc. We have to pick eventually or risk a Lars Anderson situation

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 31, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vitek maybe? not sure

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brentz isn't 3B

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I am way off? I might be confusing Brentz, why can't we draft guys with easier names

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh heh.

And yet you missed my Dutch hotsauce comment last night.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

have to admit

didn’t fully get it. Wooden shoes joke?

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Wooden top.

Wooden shoes. Wooden everything.

Man, I just throw shit out there and see what takes, I’m not gonna lie to ya.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like Incarcerated Bob!

Hey, wait a minute. Has anybody ever seen Bloggy and IB in the same place at the same time? . . .

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, sure we are!

I mean…they are.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Confused Brentz with Cecchini, my bad

my point remains and if sean coyle doesn’t stick at 2B he could wind up at 3B.

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cecchini and Brentz are different players

too bad cehcchini got hurt he was starting to play well. Was like two days after I interviewed him too. I’m a jinx!

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah brentz plays RF

he never played 3B. Ever.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

just want to say

That the Sox’s superior defense will make Garza and others better than they’ve looked.

P.s. Felipe Paulino too =)

by Sologub on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What was the link to the Garza rumor?

I cannot find it anywhere out on the other sites.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

THERE ARE NO OTHER SITES
ONLY OTM

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The link is up in the thread somewhere

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garza is nothing but a LAIMer

Only fear is Bedard really wants to stay in Seattle.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

"LAIMer"?

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh, why?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took a dive?

Are you serious??

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, he was... really friggin' bad

and if I was pitching with no pressure 45 minutes from my home town…

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he's that kind of asshole

I don’t want him on my team. That said, I’d be absolutely shocked if that was true.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to make it clear

I obviously have no proof, but you have to wonder.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I sincerely doubt it.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard speculation on this

but no idea why he wants to stay in Seattle.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

except he strikes out nearly 10 per 9

and has a GB% at nearly 50%, BB% comparable to Lester and a dominate swinging strike %, yes beside everything that matters about a pitcher he is league average

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, Victoria

which is not Vancouver.
Obviously he doesn’t want to win, so why bother with him?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not my point

point is that if he wants to be on a losing team I have no interest in him

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

2/3 of your reply was about Bedard's home town

How was that not your point?

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's on Vancouver Island.

Obviously it’s not Vancouver…it has a different name.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Victoria has a lacrosse team

so I like them.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Results are what matters

Results. If he cannot turn his FIP into reality, he is league average. Last year and a half, 100 OPS+, league average.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cubs defense maybe has something to do with that

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scutaro sucks because he is bad at baseball

including fielding.

I also actually meant to type Youkilis there, but failed.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

look up the metrics

it is not true at all.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Scutaro plays solid defense and is a average bat. That isn’t suck-y at all, you’re thinking of Julio Lugo

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This conversation never proceeds rationally, FYI

Just so ya know.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I researched him the other day

about only 10 better shortstops in the MLB.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's very average

Having 10 SSs better than him in MLB confirms that.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point

average does not mean sucks.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on perspective.

We have top talent at a lot of positions and expect to win. If you fill a team with average players, you can’t win in the AL East. Respective to a lot of his teammates, he sucks. We demand more than average.

I don’t think it was a bad pickup exactly, not like it priced us out of something else, but it wasn’t earth shattering either, nothing to get excited about.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

who said he asked?

they overpaid, but that doesnt mean he is a bad player.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

But that is largely because SS is a position filled with fail right now. Most average short stops aren’t very good players. Relative to their position sure, average, but to the league, below average.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes complaining that we have him

and should have someone better. name me someone better who is available right now.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not who is or was available, it’s that if you go up 5 or down 5 in the SS rankings from Scoot, you won’t find a much better or worse player. We could have saved the money and gotten Joe Schmo to do about the same thing. We didn’t need Scoot that badly. Luckily his deal didn’t cost us but I think you’re missing Sean’s point.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

single year UZR, not representative of much

how many times can that be said!

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

making him almost precisely average at SS

that isn’t bad by any stretch of the imagination

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was zero reason

to blow $12-15m on an average SS when production there doesn’t much matter. Internal solutions were better, especially when you’re getting a no-potential career backup who doesn’t do anything well.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a stupid move because of the money he makes

he sucks because he’s an average SS, and we could’ve come close to that production with any number of other players.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah it is

you said he sucks. Im saying he does not suck.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He sucks

At a position that sucks, a position where an internal replacement level player would probably suck just as much for less.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly?

What “considerations”?

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Peter Abraham, you crack me up

Aceves is better than any of the starter dreck out there. Boost the pen, start him.

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by Jared Stegall on Jul 31, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He's not better than Bedard or Garza

Keep him in the Bullpen, we need a trade.

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by Jared Stegall on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's where he is most valuable.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I can't take him seriously anymore

Probably likes Aceves because he was a Yankee before. Nothing in Aceves stat line tells me we should trust him as a starter.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about this guy?

I’d be willing to package Iglesias & Lars…and maybe a PTBNL

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Pic no work.

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Say what??

Here’s the direct link: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/mephotos/Bosox/Other%20Baseball/Sajak.jpg

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feh.

I’d rather bring back this guy as a reliever:

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by lone1c on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Works here.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll share

Bedard is a lefty, would cost less most likely and is not long-term (we are tied up in too many average to below-average starters already)

Bedard’s peak ERA+: 153, 147
Garza’s peak ERA+: 119, 117

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

You forgot to include the IP

because his ERA+ is an astonishing 0 when he is on the DL

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here

Bedard: 2009, 2007
Garza: 2008, 2007

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pawtucket

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

If we don’t end up moving Okajima it has to be purely out of spite.

Go Sox

by MikeAtBU on Jul 31, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm imagining a league wide email at 3:00

Yo: who wants Oki?

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by cds7c on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows

We won’t get anything worthwhile for him.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will Middlebrooks is not in the Sea Dogs lineup.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

excellent

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! That sounds big

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read the tweet

He’s also played in 17 straight games. Due for a day off me thinks.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

good to know

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good

seems odd it is on this day though.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can let theoretical happenings in MLB

Like trades, affect how you run and rest your players in the minors. In the grand scheme of things in the minor leagues, today is no different than any other day of the year, 99.9% of prospects will take up tomorrow on the same team they were on today.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Red Sox are now focused on obtaining relief help after their efforts to land Hiroki Kuroda and Rich Harden proved unsuccessful.
Sherman writes that the Sox “spent big time” on Kuroda and Harden and are “not enthused” with the remainder of the starting pitching market, indicating that they no longer have interest in Erik Bedard. They evidently are now thinking of sticking swingman Alfredo Aceves into the rotation.

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

ehh?

I wonder if this means we reconsider Ryan Ludwick though. Sounds as if the market has fallen on him considerably

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want Ludwick at all

He bats from the side we all want him to, but he actually has reverse splits. Not an option for what we need.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

UGH

Aceves in rotation, do not want. A lot of fail just waiting to happen there. Bullpen is fine the way it is now.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with that for the rest of the seasons

But playoffs? Lackey pitching the #3 and ???? #4?

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly why Bedard or Garza is needed

To give Lackey competition for that playoff rotation spot

by cds7c on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

why???

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

o good grief no

he looked like a deer in headlights

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This:
Bullpen is fine the way it is now.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuckin' swell.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can only hope that's just a smokescreen.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aceves+Wake=1 competent starter for two roster spots

that’s not great

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

What about Garza? what happened there?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently it was only one source

Like I said, I couldn’t find it anywhere else

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We keep talking one starter, but two are needed.

A #3 who can start in the postseason like Garza and a #5 like Harden.

by cds7c on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

a #5 at this point in the season is not likely going to make much of a difference

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

amazing

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope we make a push for Garza at theright prize

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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Twitterverse saying that Wandy is 50/50 to be dealt

Get in there Theo, Houston is desperate to lower payroll and Wandy is a decent pitcher with good peripherals. Sure won’t be as good in the AL, but his starting point is pretty good to begin with.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

if they are keen on lowering payroll,

do we want to increase our payroll for him?

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

we need someone at this point, even if we overpay.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We already have one.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He jumped for joy at the thought of going to a contender

hit his head on the ceiling fan and then broke his arm on the desk when he fell.

He sprained his pinky trying to dial 911.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Less than 3 hours to go

Thinking more and more that maybe we should just stick to the team we have now and keep the prospects.

Buchholz went down June 16th. Since then we are 24-13, a .648 win%. That’s pretty good, considering who the back of the rotation has been. Maybe everything, even pitching is just a luxury. And should we give up some of our top prospects for something that might not even increase our win%? Starting to think not.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

WP% doesn't matter

since we would have to 2006 the rest of the season to miss the playoffs. We need a #3 for October, and I don’t trust that Garza, as a LAIMer, is that guy.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't like our chances in the playoffs without a strenghtened rotation.

Just don’t. It means Lester and Beckett have to be perfect throughout and the offense DEFINITELY has to be in Thunder Stick Mode. Too big a risk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worried about the season

but a quick exit from the playoffs. Kinda like 1990 when Dana friggin Kieker was pitching post-season games

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree but things do change in the playoffs.

That is what I am most concerned about. And that is not having Buchholz for the postseason. Not exactly comfortable with Lackey starting a Game 3 nor am I comfortable with having Wake/Miller/Aceves starting a Game 4

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't we all have said the same thing about D Lowe in 2004?

Just saying

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a team of destiny

Can’t count on shit like that happening more than once a century.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_starting_pitchers

Look at the last few years there and the names, I have plenty of reason to think what we have now is enough, especially since the offense behind them is maybe one of the best in the history of the league.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright...I gotta clean the @#$%ing kitchen

I put it off last night hanging out with you clowns, if it doesn’t get done today my woman will leave me.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, isn't that the goal?

and this offense can hit good pitchers.

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail

That was so 2009. We can’t hit bad pitchers this year. Playoffs no worries there.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You definitely bring up a great point about the starting pitching.

I didn’t even really think of that. But I still say if we can upgrade at the right price then we should do it. If not, then your point does stand.

I am still holding out hope that Buchholz’s back problem is just a really stubborn muscle strain that he can pitch through.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not like they don't count runs

"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

jays after ianetta

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Can the Red Sox win the WS with this team?

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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

but it will be tougher that it would be if we had Buchholz. Kind of stating the obvious there, but still.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, absolutely not

not enough pitching

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

so if you ran a simulation 10,000 times

 of this year’s playoffs, we would lose all 10,000?

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that was really the intent of the question

technically, the Astros have a chance, but it’s pretty, pretty small

I do think the Sox could

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they certainly could with this offense

they’re battering all kinds of pitchers. Beckett and Lester are very good. Lackey can pitch well. They certainly have a better chance with an improved rotation, but it’s not like they’re hopeless if they can’t acquire someone

(they will acquire someone)

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

so not a single time, ever

never ever ever ever will the team with the best record in a real league, would win the world series.

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, Lackey could continue to improve

And Miller or Aceves or Weiland could come around on the back of the rotation.

But, may as well improve while the opportunity is there.

by cds7c on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

beckett, lester, buchholz, lackey absolutely could dominate in any series. But since everybody is injury prone it looks like we really need another arm.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I assume you are asking this assuming no Buchholz for the rest of the year correct?

My answer stands either way, but I just want to make sure that is what you are asking.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches

by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can this really be a trade deadline

where the Sox and the Yankees do nothing major? I just can’t see that happening.

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

im sure at least one of the two teams will make a move

in the next couple hours. It just might not be very major.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other news, I want the German in the playoffs

so I can bounce him out

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

How many make the playoffs in our league?

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta get by me first sir!

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will D-Mac cut it down the stretch?

Or should Theo get someone like Josh Willingham or Reed Johnson (or someone else)?

by Anthony Emerson on Jul 31, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good question.

He is swinging the bat better lately. But if there is an upgrade out there Theo would be stupid not to pull the trigger (once again, providing the cost to us makes sense).

by dja9783 on Jul 31, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why, he's basically a DH playing RF

Don’t think we really need that much offensive help

by BobZupcic on Jul 31, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we might as well just toss Lavarnway out there instead.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

IDK

I just sort of always liked Willingham for some reason. Just one of those things, I guess.

by Anthony Emerson on Jul 31, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'd hit well at fenway

but he’s a really bad outfielder, and would really struggle in Fenway’s huge RF

by wolf9309 on Jul 31, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP isn't that strong a bat, though, is he?

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of power

15ish homers i think

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So....

A little less than Ellsbury. ;)

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha!

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe AA is gonna flip him

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rios. Wells. Rasmus.

He’s doing pretty well for himself.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd say so

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would straight play Iannetta over JP

Better bat, better defense.

Or as Bloggy says, flip him, maybe to the Pirates.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

been away for a bit

Anything shake out of the Garza scenario?

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Crud

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least bring me Coco Crisp.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops. Sorry Sean.

I forgot.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'd be fine as a back-up OF

and speed off the bench. Did you see the route that D-Mac took to that ball last night?

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, skylabbed it

but he’d be our… 5th or 6th outfielder

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply fail.

Look down.

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

OF:

Ells, Carl, Drew, Reddick, D-Mac….??

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

If Anyone is Interested:

http://www.overthemonster.com/2011/7/31/2307236/game-106-all-eyes-on-theo-epstein-as-red-sox-look-for-series-victory

Got a Gamethread going. I however will be here until 3 p.m. giving you updates, Marc Normandin will take over from 3 until the deadline. Gonna be fun

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by Jared Stegall on Jul 31, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey! Afternoon game!

I better head out!

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless Theo has been keeping it more secret than the Adrian Gonzalez extension talks

I don’t think we are going to get anything else.

Mike Aviles.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 31, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Miller has to

"It's baseball...when you rake that's what happens" -Dustin Pedroia

by Fenway302 on Jul 31, 2011 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Miller has to go!

This shit has gotten old. Dude has to go. At this point I don’t care who we put in there. Miller is NOT the guy.

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by Fenway302 on Jul 31, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Sorry. My phone keeps posting prematurely.

So hopefully we are getting a SP somewhere.

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by Fenway302 on Jul 31, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm going to put my suggestion here with like 30 mins left

Tim Stauffer of the Padres.

"Remember, it's not over until the fat lady drops one."

by n0va on Jul 31, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Would love that

but it won’t happen.

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on Jul 31, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a chance

Stauffer has been around awhile but has plenty of service time left.

by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is going to be on the team.

He is a project and has too much upside for the Sox to demote/release him.’

by ramer on Jul 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

got bedard

should be interesting..

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Apparently, the LAD are involved somehow

"Laser show. So relax."
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

SEATTLE sends Bedard to Boston BOSTON sends Federowicz to Los Angeles; $ 10MM and some good lawyer referrals to Frank McCourt LOS ANGELES sends Eithier to Seattle; Kemp to Boston

"Laser show. So relax."
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Sarcasm apparently only works when brief – the font knows all.

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by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent

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by gizmosandy on Jul 31, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Details of this three-team deal from ESPN’s Buster Olney: the Red Sox get Bedard, the Dodgers get Federowicz and two other minor leaguers, and the Mariners get Dodgers outfielder Trayvon Robinson and outfielder Chih-Hsien Chiang from the Red Sox. It looks like the Mariners sent Joshua Fields to the Dodgers or Red Sox as well.

by loeres on Jul 31, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

the Red Sox get Bedard and outfield prospect Trayvon Robinson

uhm what? he’s the dodgers 3rd best prospect according to sickels

by loeres on Jul 31, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

BEDARD!

SOMETHING!!

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by Bloggy on Jul 31, 2011 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

3:14pm: This appears to be what’s gone down, from Gordon Edes:

    Red Sox get: Erik Bedard, Joshua Fields
    Dodgers get: Tim Federowicz, Juan Rodriguez, Stephen Fife
    Mariners get: Trayvon Robinson

3:02pm: Erik Bedard has been traded,

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

FUCK

Chiang sent to the M’s

by Sean O on Jul 31, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

we overpaid. Oh well, at least we can say theo made a move to try to win it this year.

by spinz on Jul 31, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah

Fex, Fife and Rodriguez aren’t really anything, Chiang might have been something but we have SO FREAKING MANY outfielders that his loss is nothing. We didn’t give up anything we’ll realistically miss and got something that may make the difference between a WS and not.

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by Rogue Nine on Jul 31, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should have done the Harden deal also

It’s not like Lars Anderson is going to figure into the Sox’s future plans anyway. That way we would have more options for the rotation.

by JordanS on Jul 31, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Lars that was the sticking point.

Speculation, but that PTBNL wasn’t a throw in, Lars was the throw in, the player I bet was one of our draft signees from last year, all of which are doing very well this year. Would not give that up for Harden, and they didn’t.

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