Trade Market Watch
by Mattsullivan on Jul 30, 2011 10:01 PM EDT
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PrintAfter a brief delay to cover the Aviles trade, the Trade Watch is back- and better than ever. Ok, just as good.Anyway here is the latest-
10:00 PM: Indians are off Ludwick- With Jimenez likely in the bag, the Indians no longer appear to be in the Ryan Ludwick market. The Red Sox are not giving up too much for Harden and could still have a chance to get Ludwick.
9:45 PM Harden for Lars- The deal appears to be Lars Anderson and a PTBNL for Rich Harden. Assuming that player isn’t a major prospect, this seems like a good deal for both sides.
9:30 PM: Red Sox move on to Harden- with the Indians almost certainly getting Ubaldo Jimenez, the Red Sox are now said to be close to a deal with the A’s for Rich Harden. It is unlikely that Josh Willingham with be a part of it though.
9:06 PM Ubaldo to the Indians? Numerous reports are coming in claiming Ubaldo Jimenze is being dealt to
8:45 PM: Not to be outdone in the cryptic trade signal department, the Red Sox have pulled Lars Anderson from his game in Pawtucket, take that Cleveland!
8:30 PM: Scott Miller at CBSsports.com reports that Ryan Ludwick is likely headed to Cleveland, with the deal to be announced tonight or tomorrow.
8:20 PM: For those not watching the Sox game, NESN just reported that Ubaldo Jimenez is warming up in the Rockies bullpen. That certainly makes it sound as if a deal is seriously in the works, is it us, the MFY or the Indians though?
7:45 PM: With Top Prospect Drew Pomeranz scratched from his Double A start, the Indians might be moving in on Ubaldo Jimenez. Pomeranz has been linked to the package for Jimenez.
6:45 PM: Willingham, Crisp, Harden, Kuroda and Jimenez are all being discussed. The Red Sox seem to think that the price for a Coco Crisp is too high, given that he is almost certainly not going to bring them much in compensation picks. Josh Willingham and Rich Harden are much more appealing and they are certainly on the radar.
The Dodgers and Red Sox are said to be "in talks," but that doesn't really mean much at this late a date.
Ask ten different insiders about the state of the Ubaldo Jimenez deal and it seems you will get ten different answers. The Yankees seem to be drawing a hardline on this one, refusing to trade anyone you could have ever heard of for Jimenez. The Reds, Red Sox and Indians are all said to be in on the deal
2:30 PM:Peter Gammons via Twitter- Says that the White Sox are not getting the players they need to move Carlos Quentin. In particular they are looking for a LH OF.
It is strange that one of Ryan Kalish or Josh Reddick wouldn't be on the table for that deal, as the Sox can only really use one in the near future. Are the White Sox selling or not? Personally I don't want to see either moved just yet, but I can't understand why they wouldn't be in the discussion.
2:00 PM: Ludwick and Thornton- The price on the Padres Ryan Ludwick is now being viewed as very low and with the two top buyers for RF off the table Boston could get involved their again. The Indians are considered the front runners here, but the Braves and Reds are also interested. Thornton has apparently lost favor in Chicago, no easy feat with the laid back Ozzie Guillen at the helm. He is being pursued by the Rangers and the Yankees as well as Boston. I wonder if Boston's presence in Chicago gives them an edge here at all.
1:15: Ubaldo Update- The Sox have not had any further talks with the Rockies, but the Yankees are turning up the heat. Will Middlebrooks and Anthony Ranaudo have been discussed as part of a deal.
The lack of further talks leads me to believe the Sox have made a firm offer and the Rockies are pushing for more. I would not be surprised if we find out that Ranaudo is the sticking point. The Sox might be trying to keep the price high, but if the Rockies can't get what they are looking for from the Yankees the Red Sox might have a real chance.
12:45 PM: This just in- the Red Sox are agressively pursuing Carlos Quentin and Matt Thornton of the White Sox. Quentin is the right-handed right fielder with power that the Red Sox need and Matt thornton addresses their issues with left handed relief.
it is easy to see why the Sox would be all over a deal for these two. Quentin has had some injury issues but he is an excellent power hitter who could thrive in Fenway and Thornton was among the game's best relievers before struggling this season. Quentin will be in his final arbitration year after this season and Thornton will be under team control until 2014, so these are not merely rental players. If this signals a White Sox fire sale, John Danks could enter the conversation as well.
12:30PM: Early this morning, the Detroit Tigers acquired Mariners pitchers Doug Fister and David Pauley, taking two more names off the Sox board. This has turned the front office's attention back to Hiroki Kuroda of the Dodgers. The Red Sox are also rumored to be heavily involved in the Ubaldo Jimenez bidding, while Yankees interest in the flame throwing righty might be waning. The Sox have also been connected to Oriole pitcher Jeremy Guthrie recently.
With the Phillies acquisition of Hunter Pence, another outfielder bat is off the market and it appears Boston has cooled on the idea of making a move to address that need. Ryan Ludwick is still being actively shopped and remains an outside possibility for the Red Sox.
Will Hanley Ramirez's recent battle with Jeff Conine and the Marlins front office put him on the trading block? It isn't likely, but you can be sure the Sox will check in on that too.
We will be updating this post as news breaks and providing trade analysis and reactions for you all day today and tomorrow, so keep your browser right here.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wondering about that.
I was ’bout to call you out as a LIAR! :P
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sox are trying for Quentin and Thornton,
but we need pitching.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/red-sox-pushing-hard-for-quentin-thornton.html
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No deal if Hawk Harrelson is involved.
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by Smoooth Criminal on Jul 30, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting Thornton would be great but
our bullpen is very good right now. Yea you can never have enough bullpen arms, but we need starting pitching first and foremost.
I've always wondered if teams got vindictive and if it affected transactions
Like, maybe we have no shot at Ubaldo because of 2007.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Ha, maybe
but trades between organizations in the past matter for the present.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt that would matter
a bigger issue would be past trade deals that worked out poorly. if a GM thinks you ripped him off in the past he might be bitter about it. I think we should be fine with Colorado, though I’m not sure the Cubs love us much after Nomar.
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by Mattsullivan on Jul 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, that is a perfect example.
Cashman may never trust Jack Z again
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by Mattsullivan on Jul 30, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe with Quentin we are just hoping to outscore every team
That would be a devestating lineup
Ells, Pedey, Gonzo, Youk, Ortiz, Quentin, Crawford, Salty, Scoot/Lowrie
But we really don’t “need” offense
I haven't looked but it seems to me that Quentin has a TERRIBLE defensive reputation
He would be a big step down on that side of things. But yeah, if we did get him, it would be under the ‘eff it, let’s trade for Van Every, let him pitch 9 innings every 5th day and win 20-15’ mind set.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yeah, he's a butcher
but we already have Reddick who is a good RF so the late inning replacement is a non-issue and his bat will more than compensate
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by Mattsullivan on Jul 30, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like the move
as long as they don’t give up Middlebrooks/Lavarnway.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The "overwhelmed with prospects" part of the MLBTR post worries me
Do we really need to overwhelm someone for a RF and a LOOGY? If we are going to bundle a bunch of prospects we should either get Danks in the deal too (or instead of Thornton) or save them for Ubaldo
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It didn't say we were trying to "overwhelm" them.
They’re “pushing hard” but that might just be to try to get them to be available or drive the price up for NYY and Thornton.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Quentin
would be decent here, Thornton is a stud of course. Just don’t wanna give up too much.
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Jenks sucks
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda my point
He didn’t prior to this year and we signed him long term. Thornton is also signed long term and he could very well suck in 2012/2013
We should make these moves http://www.overthemonster.com/2011/7/30/2305531/moves-the-red-sox-should-make
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Honestly
For what it should take for Ubaldo, I seriously think we should tack on a couple extra good prospects and make an offer to Seattle for Felix. If we’re going to do it, why not get the great piece instead of the very good piece? Seattle has no reason to trade him either, but the haul could be franchise changing, and if there was a franchise that needed change, well, I think Seattle is it.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
That post was completely sarcastic, FYI
but Seattle has said they won’t trade him.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh... you mean Pujols won't be a great SS?
Who knew, I totally believed it would work.
But really, I believe 0-1% of what teams and players say regarding transactions. It’s all about leverage and motives. How many teams trade players shortly after saying they aren’t on the market? And how many players approve trades to teams they said they won’t go to? All about getting the best deal.
If Seattle was made an overwhelming offer, they HAVE to at least listen to it. They are way too down in the dumps right now to get all tangled up over one player. What we would have to offer Colorado will be a lot, largely because they have no incentive either to trade their ace who is on a great contract, if we’re gonna go for broke, add in a couple more, maybe a Bogearts, Coyle, Jacobs if they weren’t in the package and offer it up to Seattle instead.
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Why WOULD they give up Hernandez?
He is the face of the franchise and prospects are, well, prospects. Why risk the best pitcher in the AL for the unknown?
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Colorado give up Ubaldo?
Because at some point you realize that the current formula isn’t working and if you can get a kings ransom for a player that is only boosting your win total from 60 to 70 maybe it’s time you let them go.
They have to look at it logically, are they more likely to compete next year, or in 3 or 4 years? I would say the latter if they plan and build the right way. Why not trade the guy on the losing team now for say Kalish, Ranuado, Weiland, Bogaerts, Coyle and CBM. They are just prospects but they’re a decent mix of guys ready now, Kalish and Weiland, guys who will be ready in a year or two, Ranuado and CBM and two high upside prospects 3-4 years away. Not all will be stars or even major league players from that group, but a couple of them will very likely be, it’d be the best thing for their franchise.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
I honestly don't understand why they'd give up Ubaldo, and it scares the hell out of me
I really think they see some sort of injury risk in his medicals, because I don’t understand why they would deal someone like him otherwise.
Exactly
if they think he is worth this much, why trade him?
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They probably think he's worth less
But what it would take is much more than he’s worth because they don’t want to trade their ace, it would just be irresponsible not to if you could get a deal like what they’re asking from New York, which might be better than HanRam and Sanchez which Florida got for Beckett if the deal is indeed Nova, Montero and a B.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Any team would have to be able to see those before the trade right?
I think it comes down to this, they don’t want to trade Ubaldo. However, they’re smart enough to know that if they can get a bidding war going between the Sox and Yankees, they could get way more out of the trade than what he’s actually worth. Their dream of course would be something like the Beckett haul of Sanchez and HanRam, and they could very well get that. If the deal doesn’t get into the massacre side of the spectrum for them they can just kindly say ‘ask again next year’.
It’s like with the Eagles and Kolb, you just know Vick is going to get hurt and miss time, but if some team is dumb enough to offer you a top corner and a 2nd round draft pick for him even though he’s never played a whole season, you have to do it for your franchise.
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The Rockies really shouldn't be moving Ubaldo though
they have a chance of competing while he is still under his team-friendly contract in three years and they won’t get a similar quality pitcher in return. If they trade away some other more expendable pieces they could be very competitive in 2013 and they still can move him next year if needed.
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by Mattsullivan on Jul 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what gets me worried
why do they want to trade him?
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Not comparable
The Rockies still have Tulo and Carlos.
I'll say this once, and over and over
3 team deal is needed for Jimenez, the sox lack the flashy prospects needed
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Jul 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
OTM has traded Rouge, TLD and Gizmo to PSA for Jeterian and Lord Duggan. The move can be veteoed by Rouge who is the only one in OTM history with a No Trade!
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Who is this Rouge?
You mention them alllllll the time but I see no record of them posting anything here.
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tell me who Marissa is first
then I can tell you who Rouge is.
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I did it like once.
And I haven’t done it since. This is a completely disproportional punishment.
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It will end when I say it ends
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I have ways of removing joy from punishments.
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Go and try
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by Marisa Ingemi on Jul 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll go to PSA happily
watch for me at 2nd base, I’ll be tipping pitches for ya ;)
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like no Ubalado
http://twitter.com/#!/ScottLauber/statuses/97350683988197376
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well doesn't mean no Ubaldo
means the Sox are either waiting for the Rockies to drop the price or have made an offer and are waiting to hear from the Rockies. If there is an Ubaldo deal with someone, it’ll be one of those ones that happens right at the deadline
That's why I believe they have an offer out and the Rockies are trying to top it
Very possible the Rockies were the ones saying the Sox are hot in the bidding for Ubaldo to drive up the price from the MFY
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by Mattsullivan on Jul 30, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This is ridiculous
never again do I want the NFL Free Agency period and the Trade Deadline to happen on the same weekend.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Ten years till the NFL does Free Agency this late again.
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Its the NFL
and ESPN, they are in bed together and nothing else matters in the US but pro football. Which cracks me up. America’s new favorite game is a socialist system of professional sports, while baseball is good ole American Capitalism.
I wonder if all those people who call the Prez a socialist have season tickets, jerseys and the NFL package? Socialists. Go back to Europe and be happy like every other Socialist country in Euro town!!!!
NFL sucks, its boring, its fixed and its been dumbed down for stupid people. You need a brain to be a baseball fan.
HanRam
Why not give up the farm for him? Trade the cuban SS – Marlins and Miami will love that kid. A couple of pitchers and kalish and that would get it done. Or go at Ubaldo the same way. The whole team is locked up for years and a prospect is just that. Both these guys are impact and cheap. Sox need to think big and Win this year!
the difference between a yankee stadium hot dog and a Fenway frank is that they dont sell yankee dogs in October anymore.
I feel like Hanley will not be in the majors within the next 5 years
his bat’s been declining. I’d rather give Lowrie another shot or see if Navarro can pick it back up.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
that's hilarious
Lowrie is nothing but an sissy injury prone fading hope. You would rather have him or Navarro over Hanley. Absolutely hilarious.
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
If he's going to suck and then not be in the majors?
Then yes, I would rather save the hundreds of prospects it would cost to get him and continue to play Lowrie and Navarro.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
I said I’d rather give Lowrie or Navarro a shot than trade for Hanley. If Hanley were on the team already it’d be a different matter entirely.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we still talking about getting a RF?
Reddick, even after his BABIP comes back down to earth, is better than Ludwick and at least on par with Quentin. With Reddick’s better range in right I’d rather have him than anyone still on the market.
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That's how I feel too.
In terms of the whole package, just about everything out there is about equal to or only a little bit better than what Reddick likely is, just not worth it.
Pitching, pitching, a million times pitching.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Well Ludwick would not be a bad bat to have off of the bench and against tough lefties
and I doubt a trade for him hamstrings them from getting a starter as well
Except that he hits righties better than lefties over his career.
He’s deceiving when you look at his handedness.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Screw Quentin
Get me a pitcher.
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One that starts games.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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but you don't follow the minors
except for fantasy baseball
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Red sox acquire Mike Aviles
For Navarro and Volz
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
by Smoooth Criminal on Jul 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
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by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
not a move I was expecting, but Theo.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
So does he play SS over Scutaro?
or just another bench bat.? Volz was pretty disposable but Navarro had some upside
It's on the Red Sox twitter now too.
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
by Smoooth Criminal on Jul 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Never mind
It was right in my face but I for some reason didn’t bother to read it on the Royals twitter…wooo!
http://twitter.com/#!/Royals
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by Smoooth Criminal on Jul 30, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I really don’t know much about him, but is he really an upgrade?
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Maybe this year
But in the future too? I think I might like Navarro better, but I know nothing about Aviles so who knows.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where I am, too.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
Also, Aviles is on record as hating to be a UT player
And attributes it to being out of whack offensively
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they have finally done the right thing and given up on Lowrie
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
As long as they've also given up on Iglesias.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as he's not playing SS
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I really, I swear to god
he looked fine at shortstop last year. And just embarrassing this year. Weirdest thing.
I am inclined to agree with your injury assessment
As we are currently watching the same thing with Scoot
I heard last year about how he wasn't a great
SS and how people liked Scutaro over him. He didn’t look bad last year, but Lowrie was always supposed to be just good enough to get by.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
of all the trades rumored or suggetest....this is the one that get's done? seriously?
i read that the sox were down on navarro because of his inability to hit breaking balls but this? plz let him be a piece in another deal
Royals Official Twitter says they made a deal with us
Yamaicco Navarro and Kendal Volz for Mike Aviles
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
Hey look:
no interest in mike aviles? OTM’s biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Jul 24, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
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why would there be? by BobZupcic on Jul 24, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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he could be the extra inf OTM’s biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Jul 24, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
We already had a couple.
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@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
He's a season away
from a line of:
.304 .335 .413
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What'd his BABIP look like?
I remember it being rather high.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
0.231 this year but 0.357 his rookie year
So he’s likely much better than this year shows but not quite as good as his rookie season
If he's somewhere in between he could be useful at short.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my next question
although it has to be better than Lowrie/Navarro.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
His TZ at SS is better than 2B/3B
UZRs are 11.7(08), -1.7 (09), 0.2 (10), -0.8 (11)
2008 was the only seasons where he was primarily at SS so could be a comfort thing
Well. I'll be damned.
I don’t get it…but I guess I’ll just have to see.
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Making Aviles our starter?
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Mike Aviles told the Kansas City Star that he doesn't want to be a UT.
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
by Smoooth Criminal on Jul 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
yup
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
by Smoooth Criminal on Jul 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if they think he can do that again...
Or come close, I suppose it could work. I know I wasn’t immediately sold on the Salty deal last year either.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
See: Gordon, Alex.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm told
you have to trust the system.
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I'm mixing up my sarcasm. I think you're right.
You have to trust The Process.
and….
The System is that good.
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Would the White sox have wanted Aviles possibly?
and KC would not deal him in division?
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
Look, it's simple
Anytime you have the chance to trade a young utility player for an old utility player, you have to do it.
by Jake_W on Jul 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hit 0.297 in the minors
so at least you know he’s going to hit a bit…defense would be my concern and it looks from 2008 that he could be more than serviceable there
Yeah, but it's not like Navarro has exactly had much of a shot
It’s pretty much just a projection thing, and the FO knows a lot more about that than I do.
I do like Aviles, as one of the players I used to see in KC. He has a pretty amusing helicopter twirl in his stance before he sets to swing which is fun to watch.
Maybe, maybe not
Haven’t seen enough of either to really tell.
Aviles is much older, and more expensive (going into his first Arb. year next season) though.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
worth noting
that with Navarro having been our 5th outfielder right now, this means that another trade/move is happening VERY soon.
Um...D-Mac is our #5?
Once Drew is off the DL of course.
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Um...D-Mac is our #5?
Once Drew is off the DL of course.
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Um...D-Mac is our #5
Once Drew is off the DL of course. ;)
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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Brewers would probably be interested in Scutaro to replace Betancourt
But I don’t even know if they fully functioning minor league teams anymore…
Who could we get from those three
That we actually need?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Scutaro and Crawford to the Cards for Holliday
I’d do it.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if they throw in Rasmus.....oh wait....
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Yankees smushing Baltimore 8-3
I wonder whatever happened to Baltimore’s highly touted cadre of pitching prospects.
or their superstar catcher
and the best young OF in baseball
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yes,
but none of their guys have developed as planned, yet.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
They all showed up in Pittsburgh by accident.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You talking Jones or Markakis?
Does it matter? haha
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You forgot Reimold
They were soon to be the best OF in baseball until Jones stopped developing, Reimold got sent down, and Markakis got worse.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well.
I guess they’re back to the shop. Again. This time waiting on Machado and Bundy
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Not surprised
Baltimore was good for one win in this series and they got it. Hope the Sox win tonight since the Yankees could pick up a game and half on us today.
I'm soooooooo perplexed by this trade.
I mean we didn’t give up a whole lot, but we got nothing in return….. I’m praying this is a prequel to another trade
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But how much was an upgrade needed at those two spots?
And how big of an upgrade is he? I think not much of one.
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Navarro was a guess hitter and definitely not ready for MLB
If it weren’t for his huge start at AAA, it would be back to Ben as the only guy who really liked him.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So what's your opinion on someone like Oscar Tejeda
I see them as very similar prospects to an extent.
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So at the end of the day,
The Redsox failed epically on their Latin American prospects, think about it. I think Boegarts is the only one with legit potential and has had a set-back year.
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It makes me feel better knowing that Engel Beltre
(Gagne trade) is struggling in the Texas Farm, so I guess both teams got burned on that one….
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nah, we ate the shitburger on that one
murphy alone was valuable enough
Point taken.
Once I’m done with this thread, I’m gonna go check out the fWAR for Murphy and Drew, could be an interesting comp I’m guessing….
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Point taken.
Once I’m done with this thread, I’m gonna go check out the fWAR for Murphy and Drew, could be an interesting comp I’m guessing….
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He's had one BABIP fueled year
Right now, I don’t think he ever become a starter, but there are a lot of bad players out there, so maybe he’s a 2B on some crap team.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But I would look at Aviles as a 30 year who already isn’t anything special, unless it’s to save us the suspense I don’t get it.
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Back to the redundancy argument
See Lowrie, Jed
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Yeah
It’s one thing if they have serious questions about Navarro’s ability to be a major leaguer.
But with the recent report that Lowrie is going to start rehab and could be back, it doesn’t make much sense.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Soooo I hate this deal a great bit.
More than the Morales deal.
Aviles is a nothing, he had a good rookie year and then has been a below average hitter since, well below occasionally. He’s a UTIL player who apparently doesn’t like to be a UTIL. We traded him for a guy who had a chance to be a something, maybe even a starter and was versatile and willing to play any position we told him too. Now we’ve got Mike Aviles. I hope we flip him like LaRoche so I don’t have to see him play.
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Didn't read just yet, but the URL looks exciting.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That made my day!
We could trade Ellsbury for Juan Pierre and I’d probably still feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)
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If they wanted a utility infielder, I wonder if they looked into Brendan Ryan at all
Although he’s probably a tad pricy with his decent year.
If you want to talk about price though,
Iglesias has cost more money than acquiring Ryan would
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Still, Ryan's offense is dragged down by a horrible, horrible 2010
He hit well in 2009, and he is hitting ok in a pitcher’s park in Seattle (.316 .wOBA away). He won’t light it up, but plug him into Boston’s lineup and park and I bet you he’d be slightly below league average with the bat.
It's not like playing in Boston suddenly makes everyone better
in fact track record tells me that middle infielders seem to have a habit of getting worse when moving from another team to the Sox.
No, but moving away from SafeCo probably does make everyone better.
It’s probably a fair point that a Boston public unswayed by Ryan’s incredible defensive stats and not seeing it on the field would turn on him very quickly.
admittedly though,
his defense is noticeably spectacular as well. The kind of defense that both the stats and spectators love.
In pure speculation
When Drew comes back, presumably Sutton goes down. When Lowrie comes back, we could potentially get rid of Darnell, but then we’d only have one backup outfielder, who is an old veteran who’s played right field only for years.
I guess my end point is that I think Lowrie is going somewhere.
atm he has like no value...
who would take a risk on a guy that injured all the time?
I agree
Unless there’s someone that’s really liked him in the past and puts more value on him than the Sox. I’m just saying I don’t see how the pieces fit together if he’s staying.
Colorado did want Lowrie.
For what?
Tulo at short, and wasn’t Ian Stewart at 2B for them? Or am I behind the times? I always though colorado had a good lineup, just poor pitching.
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They wanted him for 2B
Gammons said Lowrie for Iannetta straight up was almost done, but Helton was hurt so they wanted Iannetta as 1B depth for a playoff push.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
last year of course
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You thinking what I'm thinking Sandy?
Middlebrooks, Ranaudo package?
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He's on the DL, so we can't trade him, right?
But if we name that player when he’s off the DL, will it work?
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Weiland
WMB
Ranudo
Kalish
is probably the best package we could put together. Here’s to hoping Col is intent on trading him and that nobody else blinks.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, we all know the MFYs could top that.
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but they have to
Otherwise, he may end up in Boston due to the willingness to trade for him.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell
every team on Jimenez has better prospects than us, but seem unwilling to trade them
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
In a lot of ways, Will Middlebrooks is also a strong plus
Since they have the gaping holes there on the big league level
I'm telling you.
I was not impressed with Middlebrooks when I saw him go through Greenville, yes I understand Low-A is a long time ago, but the sooner he is dealt, the better
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I'd be fine with selling high on Middlebrooks
I’m only an apparentice prospect-maven, but understanding the volatility of prospects, I think now is the time to make him a centerpiece of a deal.
sell high
I think WMB has very good potential, but I’d be on board with this.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If he moves at all,
I think it’s either to Boston or Cleveland. Boston can absorb a hit to the farm, and Cleveland can absorb a hit to pitching prospects because they’d be getting pitching in return.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Detroit before Fister.
They were going to include Jacob Turner.
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Was Detroit before Fister.
They were going to include Jacob Turner.
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what was the offer?
If it was Turner and not much else, it would be hard to consider that the best offer.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
only turner surfaced
but at the time it was by far the most anyone was bidding
They have a great 3B prospect too.
I think his name is like Castelenos?
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He's not doing much this year
but yes
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I take that back,
he’s improved
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, was there anything reported about a formal offer?
I just remember hearing they were willing to discuss him
but even if it's not this year
He’s a good pitcher, which aren’t easy to fine. Their rotation next year:
Masterson
Ubaldo
White
Tomlin
Carrasco
That’s the best rotation in the central
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is White? And where is Carmona?
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Alex White?
He’s another top pitching prospect. Looked pretty good in limited action at the big league level this year.
Carmona blows
and Alex White (pick out of UNC) should be a very solid #3 with more potential
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it better
than something along the lines of
Verlander
Scherzer
Fister
Free Agent A
Porcello
Porcello’s not too terribly good, but he’s arguably a better #5 than Lackey.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it’s close. depends who the FA is. If it’s a good FA, then the edge is probably to detroit
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think DD might go for CJ Wilson
in which case I give Detroit the win.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
we know they could
but the question is if they would. The need prospects to turn into major leaguers much more than we do the next couple of years.
It's a decent package
But I’d sure hope for our pitching prospects to step forward after giving up Ranuado and Kelly in one year
They better both be signed.
Because anything less is unacceptable considering the expiring CBA
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there's a nice thread on soxprospects
they expect every one of thouse to sign and they are usually right
I think it's a solid package
it’s not Nova, Banuelos, and Betances, but they aren’t getting that either
well not necessarily,
they’re just the only team I’ve seen linked to him. Likely if they wanted him there were other teams interested.
but yes :)
That's the reaction I was trying to convey.
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I feel you man.
I’m real close to Greenville so it kills me to see so many of them wind up dealt or failed. Because of my familiarity with his time in Greenville, I really don’t believe in Middlebrooks
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No,
But there’s no reason to trade for garbage, which Aviles is. Yamaico is younger and at least has some promise, while Aviles has none.
I think the Sox FO might disagree with part of that
Either the part about Aviles being garbage, or the part about Navarro having more promise. Probably disagree with a little of both parts.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there something in Aviles' 261 OBP I'm missing?
He has no eye, no power, nothing. He is a bad baseball player.
Aviles is a career .317 OBP
Not to mention last year, he was a better hitter in less AB’s than Scutaro.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So we collect yet another backup shortstop
we have nothing but backups to nobody.
Yamaico had an .830 OPS as a 23 year old in pawtucket this season.
That's great
I’m guessing they don’t think he can be a SS, and Aviles might be able to.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That is an awful strong reaction to have
In regards to Yamaicco Navarro
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You haven't watched him since Lowell
If he’s traded for something of even potential value, then fine. But trading him to get a worse player who is 7 years older is classic Theo idiocy.
this
Navarro didn’t have a lot of potential and projection, but he has a chance to be a 3B. Might as well just go with Sutton instead of Aviles.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
if his problems were due to him being utility and having it throw off his hitting, maybe it means the Sox give him a shot as SS and make Shoot the utility guy.
You like that, right? Scooter riding the pine?
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He'll probably help this year more than Navarro would
and I’m sure that’s all Theo is thinking about
urgh
The price on Jimenez has come down a tad, tweets Jon Heyman. He says the Rockies are no longer asking for Banuelos from the Yankees; Betances, Nova, and Montero would work. That’s similar to what Joel Sherman wrote earlier today. The two teams have not talked today, tweets Troy Renck. Renck believes the Yankees currently will not put both Montero and Betances in the deal – just one.
For what it's worth...
Listening to Red Sox fans, you’d think Yamaico Navarro was the next Hanley Ramirez. Boston will not regret this move
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by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
For what it is worth...
Bullshit
Aviles fucking sucks, and Yamaico is home grown. Stupid move.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Haha. Rec'd
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Can anyone deny that Aviles sucks?
You don’t trade a guy with even a tiny little bit of potential for somebody with none, and no ability.
I think judging him by what he's done in limited time this year is the wrong move
That’s about the only thing I can say to that.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Dragged down by two years with only abotu 300 PAs combined
In the two years he played enough to get 400 or so each, he put up an OPS of .833 and .748
Well, sure
he plays fantastic defense and he is young and probably their SS of the future. The royals are not trying to win now, they’re trying to develop players.
No, he just had an .833 OPS in the majors
Even when he was much older
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine
But they both suck.
Navarro at his age at least has a chance to stop the sucking and become something. Aviles at 30 is way less likely to have a change in trajectory.
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Disagree
We nabbed a certain 26 year old FA 1B man who couldn’t manage to post better than a 0.840 at the position on the cheap and look how that turned out.
There are exceptions
But in the baseball world, Aviles is ‘way’ older than Ortiz was then. (You are talking about Papi right?)
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When is he going to play regularly?
When in the last few years have we ever allowed a SS to get regular play? Especially mediocre ones? I’d play injured Scoot over Aviles every day.
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The System is that good.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He plays shortstop like nobody's business
And he has looked better at the plate after a terrible start
then get someone young
I’d rather have an internal player with a 1% chance of being something than a 30 year old nobody with a 0%.
Risk/Reward
Aviles has a good chance of being average while Navarro has a lower chance of being average at SS.
I have no love for Scutaro,
but we already have one of those. Maybe we have two if Lowrie comes back. Aviles will not be any better than those 2.
Yet Scoot and Lowrie are constantly hurt
We’ll see if there’s an upcoming trade to get rid of one of the middle infielders, though, because it does seem a little redundant.
Does anyone believe Aviles can be a genuine above-average SS?
other than his mother? I am so sick of middle-aged mediocrities.
Truly. Moose, Hosmer, and Myers.
what a 2-3-4 Combo.
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In the years he played over 100 games
he seemed decent enough.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but will they give it to him?
Not sure the Sox see him as a starter, which would be the only way I’d like the move.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
so so so so so so so so true
Navarro would NEVER EVER start for the Boston Red Sox.
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
because he does not have enough talent to ever do so
he is a no talent
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he's been damn good in AAA this season as a 23 year old
again, not likely to ever be something, but better than getting a guaranteed nothing.
You said Aviles had 0% chance to be good
so now you are saying that its not so?…..you speak in circles my friend
Xander
Give him time, Second coming of Hanley
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Oo
HE IS GOING TO BE THE BEST PLAYER EVER
how do i do sarcasmtags?
I've actually met the kid. He's in Greenville right now and look phenominal.
They way you guys are talking, we’re becoming the MFYs trading all our prospects before the majors which is not true.
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i don't get the mfy connection but i think it's just unfair to hype an 18yo in his first full season
Sometimes you know about a prospect as soon as you see them.
I’m sure the Redsox will reach a point where they have to start protecting their prospects. We can’t keep depleting the system. He is good. And he is young. What is there not to like about him?
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ok i'm going to hurt you now, sorry in advance
one word: almanzar
clarification
i don’t think he’s going to be almanzar 2, i’m just saying that hyping guys can backfire badly
We'll see. I hope I'm right.
Almanzar had more holes in his swing that a spaghetti strainer
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i hope your right too, don't get me wrong...
….but it’s just too early for my taste to compare him to hanley…
The price on Jimenez coming down?
Heyman. I think the Rockies want to move him because they know Ubaldo is damaged goods. Buyer beware.
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
Take that with a grain of salt
I heard COL has had personal problems with Ubaldo (might just be speculation). But if they lower price, obviously everyone will think this. I’m not so sure he’s damaged.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimenez has lost velocity on his FB
Hios swinging strike rates are in John Lackey territory and his contact rates are up. That shouldn’t happen with a 27-year old pitcher. A 3 MPH drop on the FB is a warning sign.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Meaning?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He realizes that in order to pitch for a long time
He can’t just walk up there and thrown 95-96 mph fastballs like he did as a reliever. Pedro did the same thing and lived in the 93/94 range
and he's walking slightly less and
he’l K’ing slightly less, so what’s the difference in this year and last year? HRs? they’r not up that much.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
His LD% is a career high this year
20.8%
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
but it isn't much higher than 09,
which was a pretty good year for him
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He had better GB/FB numbers in 2009
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and he arguably has better peripherals this year
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Except his contact rates are up this year
He is an above-average contact pitcher now (he was below average in 2009), and his swstr% way down. A lot of that speaks to stuff. When you figure that he pitches in a weak offensive division, in a weaker offensive league, the velocity drop (whatever you think of the Coors field gun), and contact numbers, buyer beware—especially when you figure in the price the Rockies are asking.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don't see too too much that is a huge red flag
not as good on the periph front, but not awful.
He still has great peripherals even with all of this,
but switching leagues could be a huge problem. If he continues to decline in the things you’ve mentioned, then yes there would be problems.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's all I'm saying
I’m all for obtaining anyone—depending on price. If the Rockies want a lot—and iot seems that they do—I’d pass on Ubaldo.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They had better go over his medicals with a fine-toothed comb if they get him
And then again, I don’t know if the Sox medical staff is up to the challenge
those guys aren't up to any challenge
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why there is a physical involved with a trade.
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Right
And the Sox’ medical staff never misdiagnoses anything.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
but his FB velo spikes in road starts,
His peripherals are right along with last year and his career numbers. So there are a lot of things in question
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben pointed out something interesting yesterday
Nearly all starters of the Rockies have experienced a downturn in velocity this year and that Ubaldo has pitched harder on the road. (I haven’t looked at this myself) Possible that he’s still throwing as hard, but there is an issue with the radar/pitch FX at Coors.
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the Overthemonster twitter (I guess that's Ben)
brought this up
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes me sick
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I have no problem with that.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty much the only reason I'm kind of able to forgive
Teenagers are idiots. If he did it today, he’d be deeply on the shit list.
So, petty thievery is okay?
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least he didn't try to kill somebody
DUI should be a permanent loss of license, first offense. Inexcusable.
Sandy I've thought about you for years.
Just sayin’
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uhm...no....
forgiveness is a human quality, don’t soil it with religion
alright
now that I know where you are coming from. I will from this moment on refuse to acknowledge your presence nor respond to your posts – I have found it pretty pointless anyway
i'm not sure but i think i asked you this already
how old are you?
It's not Sandy, don't worry.
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It's bullshit, plain and simple
Hurting the innocent is unforgivable. Sexual assault is unforgivable. Genocide is unforgivable.
ok where do you draw the line?
to what degree are things forgivable and when do they stop being forgivable?
I outlined several above
Bottom line: anyone who commits sexual assault, for example, gives up their status as human, and deserve whatever comes to them.
no, not at all
all i’m doing is trying to gauge where you draw the line, since you didn’t answer my question
this isn't even in the same universe as the others
Fighting happens. Fundamentally denigrating and removing another’s humanity is not. Torture, sexual assault, hate crimes, etc.
do you even read what i write?
i didn’t say they were the same universe, i didn’t even compare them!
I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU THINK
good lord
barfight forgiveable right?
killing someone in self defense: forgivable?
killing someone who raped a person: forgivable?
killing someone who raped your wife: forgivable?
killing someone who raped you (hypothetical): forgivable?
again it interests me where you draw the line, i’m not trying to expose you or something, i’m just interested
I have no problem with rapists
being tortured and killed. It’s doing such to the innocent that is unforgivable, and I believe forgiveness only seeks to ameliorate the fundamental atrocity.
barfight, whatever, shit happens. self defense, perfectly fine.
this
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
abviously you are not the forgiving type so....
…you answered your own question
hypothetically...
REALLY. Remember that guy who killed all those Amish people? That family was able to find forgiveness.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Being a MFY fan is unforgivable
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Taking someone's stuff...
especially stuff that carries personal information, is a violation of a person.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I use the metric system
But that seems like a heavy car.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For what it's worth
<blockquoteBeleaguered infielder Mike Aviles was traded to the Boston Red Sox this afternoon in a minor move. Aviles has had a strange season, enduring both a semi-benching and a demotion to the minor leagues. I’m happy that he’ll get a fresh start on a very good team. Aviles has his flaws, make no mistake, but he’s also shown an ability to hit well for long stretches while passably playing a handful of positions. He might be miscast as a player that a bad team relies on, but well-placed as a 24th or 25th man on a good team.>
From Royals Review
Gordon Edes of ESPN Boston reports that the Red Sox are interested in outfielder Coco Crisp.
The Red Sox acquired Mike Aviles on Saturday and plan to try him in the outfield, but they’d rather add another player who is more familiar with the position. Enter Crisp. The 31-year-old has a weak .702 OPS on the season, but he’d provide great speed off the Boston bench and he has good range defensively.
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I wouldn't give the DSL Bullpen Fodder for Crisp
This just sounds like trouble.
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I'm really ashamed at some of the things being posted on OTM threads lately
not going to lie.
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or any pitcher that doesn't suck
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
FELIPE PAULINO!!!
Haha I’ve mentioned this name like 3 or 4 times and not one person has responded to it.
hm interesting
his peripherals tell me he doesn’t suck but he hasn’t actually had any success at all
He K's guys at a very strong rate
I think he’s just played in front of bad defenses most of the time and allows a few too many fly balls.
I know its off topic, but does anybody find it strange we haven't inked any of our Top-4 Draft Picks yet?
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some time in August
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't those usually come down to the signing deadline anyway?
It seems like those who have significant monetary comittments or aren’t considered to be “easy signs” tend to wait till the August 15th deadline.
It their over slot,
it HAS to go to a certain time because Selig wants it that way.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but with 4 picks with Bradley a Boras client and Swihart and killer hard sign,
you’d think we’d at least gotten Barnes or something…
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For all we know a number has been agreed to.
But Selig won’t approve it until we get to the deadline
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
http://forum-soxprospects.com/reply/280237/Draft-Signings-Discussion-Thread#reply-280237
they are right pretty much every time
How does he find the time
between coaching a college basketball team and holding the hands of prima donna “athletes” to play in the olympics?
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees have better pieces than we do, and an obvious need
It’s only natural to heavily scout them and try and entice them to give up great pieces.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees have better pieces than we do
Story of our fucking lives.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The Twins looking to trade Delmon Young to the Nats for either Storen or Clippard
They do like their relievers, those Twins
Why would the Nats even consider this?
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or they could just do Young/Span for Storen/Clippard
hell, just do a 25 man roster swap. See if the change in leagues helps either team.
It's interesting cause it's the 25 man.
So the Nats get the Twins current team plus Strasburg and Harper
3:51pm: The player to be named later in this trade is one of the Tigers' top three picks from the 2010 draft, tweets ESPN's Shannon Drayer. That means Nick Castellanos, Chance Ruffin, or Drew Smyly.
WOW now we know who got fisted
Haha. It's got to be Castellanos, the only good player on that list.
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2011 BA Handbook
Castellanos- #2 in the org
Ruffin- #7 in the org
Smyly0 #8 in the org
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Mariners take the other two then?
But then again they already got a 3B with martinez? I thought Fister was worth more than this…
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Furbush has had good numbers in the upper minors
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad I'm not alone in that thought ;)
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i thought so too
but i think even without the the ptbnl the m’s could have come out on top, now they are for sure
Anyone else wondering if we get anyone?
I could see the FO thinking Buckles is coming back and not do anything.
i.e. the medical staff says Buckles will be out for the rest of the year,
meaning he’ll be pitching by Thursday.
I'm going about it as if he's done for the year.
That way I’m not going to be disappointed. But I think we get a starter.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that
Also, Theo tends to make the moves you don’t see coming. Most Sox-related rumors usually turn out to be false.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the rumor was Bay to TB
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
In retrospect, the Pirates should have done it
Certainly Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen were not exactly a worthy return
Drugs you should read the Yahoo MLB article about how the MFYs and Sox need to start "bullying up"
Soooo funny. It kills me what other teams and writers opinions of us are.
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Link?
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aqxgsz7hbjk_MAHutJc78XkRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_yankees_red_sox_trade_deadline_jimenez_072911
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Yeah
I just can’t see the Sox giving up three of their better prospects after what they had to give up to get Gonzo. That’s not Theo’s MO.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I have the feeling they are looking for something to fall in their lap
But are content to stand pat.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am really conflicted about Ubaldo
On one hand, such a shiny piece. On the other, that’s a lot of empty cupboards for the org.
I'm the same
Was really looking for someone like Fister.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People are saying he'd be a "franchise killer" for Cleveland
if he isn’t everything he’s supposed to be, so you’re not alone.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand how they're churning out the prospects to make these deals...
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I don't really think they are
just think they’re willing to give everyone up. It’s a very video-game approach.
And it's got them
A World Series win, a World Series loss, and an ALCS loss in the last 3 years. Not bad.
Let's see where they are three years from now
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If they don't win this year or next year,
I think Amaro should be fired.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
So once their team ages out,
Are we going to see the Philadelphia of the 1960s or something…I would think so. But then again they have so much money too.
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They've done a damn good job I think.
Still I say they’re collapsed by around 2016…. unless their drafting and farm are producing like crazy.
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The Braves are going up and Philly is going down
they have money, but so do the Cubs and Mets
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
According to ESPN Boston’s Gordon Edes, right-hander Hiroki Kuroda has informed the Dodgers that he is open to being dealt to the Rangers, Red Sox or Yankees.
It just so happens that those are the top three teams in pursuit of him. Kuroda, 36, has posted a cool 3.11 ERA and 1.23 WHIP across 133 innings this season for the Dodgers. He’s earning $12 million this year and will become a free agent in the offseason. His contract includes a full no-trade clause.
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36??
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 5:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh, I know
Just didn’t realize he was that old.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Given the Sox track record with Japanese pitchers
I’m okay with trading for him, provided they don’t sign him past this year.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
The Dbacks are sneaky good, but I don’t think they’ll catch the Giants. Ian Kennedy has been such a huge development for them.
He's a good guy.
I like him a lot. I wish he could have fleeced the owners a little more, but that says a lot about his personality. Good for him.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If a pro athlete has to be in a commercial,
better him than Michael Vick.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone goes through a Cantu phase
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is actually an improvement over your mad.
DABDA
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sad -> mad
I don’t know, it’s illogical and different when you see a kid grow up in the system. Plus I don’t like older meh players.
I understand.
I was the same way when there was talk of flipping Lester/Buchholz. You tend to latch on.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't know your experience of being next to milb cities
I used to live in Lowell, a 10 minute walk from LeLaucher, so I… LeLatched on to Yamaico specifically.
no experience at all
Lived in Ottawa when the Lynx were in town, but only saw a game. Tried to make a Lester start when the PawSox were in town but got jammed up at work.
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by Bloggy on Jul 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Sox are still in first place
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No way!
I thought we had a history of choking away 3 game leads in no time at all.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Braves were initially in on Pence
I’m kinda glad they didn’t get fleeced like the Phils.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
First time I saw that,
I thought it was Avila of the Tigers. I was extremely excited, then extremely disappointed.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I love Salty.
But I would absolutifinily adore Brian McCann to much more lengths.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats.
I hate you now.
Grr.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s little reason to expect a resurgence from Aviles. Despite how young his major league career is, he is already 30, and well past his defensive peak and likely on the decline at the plate too.
More
“The Red Sox were ready to give up on Navarro (and they’re not the only ones down on him) and they shored up their current situation in the middle infield with a useful backup type in Aviles”
I liked Navarro
But saw him as more of a 3B than a SS.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like the D-Backs gave up a shortstop prospect
High A stats are good, but he’s 21, so probably not much of a loss. D-Backs also pay the salary.
The shortstop’s name was Zach Walters, though, proving that Zach W’s are the new market inefficiency.
Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun reports that the Rangers are close to landing Koji Uehara.
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Any thoughts on what will happen with Bell?
The Cardinals picked up a few relievers and Uehara would be solid in the Rangers pen. The Phillies picked up Pence. Where could he go? Do the Phillies still have the pieces?
Doubt it, Rangers have a deep system
and only gave away Davis/Hunter to the O’s so they could still get Bell
+1
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you'r right
for some reason i had him as a decent mid rotation starter, doesn’t look like he is that
I feel like Lars and (insert trashy AAA pitcher) would have been just as good.
We all know Davis can’t hit lefties and has MLB struggles, where Lars is still a prospect and weiland/Miller are as good or better than Hunter
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I keep mistaking him for Tommy Hanson
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because he'll cost the most $$$ and the fewest prospects
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot we had that guy
we shoulda flipped him a long time ago.
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I think the added leverage it would give the Rockies
Knowing that the MFYs rival just upgraded the rotation would outweight that loss.
Montero's stock has fallen a lot this year.
And I think PSA and Montero is like OTM and Lavarnway – both are fans who are the only people who think their respective prospect can catch.
but cashman is a genius in selling those "fallen prospects"
i have no idea how he does that
Who? 'Brooks?
He won’t be ready until Youk is ready to move to DH/go to another team.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sure he could pitch and play ss, too
i still don’t know how to use the sarcasm tag
< code > < /code >
without the spaces.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm going with 2
but i agree with the rest =)
I'm going to play with him in The Show and see how he is.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
and that's not a sure bet
he’s the last type b
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/eli.html
we might not have to if we pick up his salary.
I think it would be worth it to hold on to the prospects.
prime position for the dodgers: redsox vs mfy
The Dodgers asked the Yankees for Ivan Nova and a catching prospect
that would be way more than i am willing to give up
over who?
I know he’s from the NL, but Lackey, Miller, and Wake all suck. Lackey might turn it on for the 2nd half, but who the hell knows.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
my bet is weiland
but on the other hand theo isn’t the type of gm that takes chances this late into the season, so maybe he will overpay for kuroda
For us that is too much
Probably the best translation to the Sox system would be say Ranuado and Kalish/Reddick. Ranuado has a higher ceiling than Nova I think but he’s also further away which devalues him some. The Yankees have several good catching prospects, if it isn’t Montero, it’s probably Romine who is just a tick below him, for us, that’s one of our top OF prospects likely.
For Kuroda, that is too much. I’d rather go all out on a great pitcher than one like Kuroda.
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Yes we can
The 2009 MFY showed that you only need three starters in the post season. Lester, Beckett, Lackey (assuming no Buchholz) > Sabathia, Pettitte, Burnett. The Sox’ have a great offense, a good pen, and an above average defense.
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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
All this Type-A, Type-B worrying should be discounted considering the Collective Bargaining Agreement
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i was about to post that, but decided not to...
….since it’s kind of a “not-news”
for rockie's fans it's good to know
for everyone else it’s….eh….yeah =)
but it's more than "the rockies are asking too much and nobody is budging"
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
For the sake of conversation, where do you think the Sox started and if they did "enhance"
Where are they now?
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The only people we know COL asked for was Weiland and WMB.
People think Ranaudo would be involved, but nobody knows for sure. IF the enhanced, I think it would be Weiland, WMB, and Ranaudo. I think Kalish or somebody else would have to be added to stand a chance, and even then it depends on everybody else.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For the sake of conversation, where do you think the Sox started and if they did "enhance"
Where are they now?
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what i do not understand is if the price has come down-why have teams enhanced offers
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ever been to an auction?
that’s how you get bidders involved
the price was only really down for the NYY situation
and they still said no. Plus, what teams were offering was even lower than the price with some sort of drop.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
COL supposedly said Betances, Nova, Montero
would get it done, but NYY said no
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The MFY would be stupid to trade those three for Ubaldo
I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.
by Drugs Delaney on Jul 30, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
They should throw in Banuelos to make up for their stupidity.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and Gary Sanchez
But Banuelos was in the original asking price
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I was too,
but Banuelos was really in the original asking price
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
then you must think this is beyond stupid
Weiland
WMB
Ranaudo
PTBNL (lowrie)
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we trade for Headley next year?
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So if Montero, Betances, Nova can get it done,
what about Lavarnway, Ranaudo, and Weiland? Montero is younger, but Lavarnway has the more proven results.
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Are Rosenthal and Morosi attached at the hip or what?
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
See?
http://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/97427746279522305
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard
Wow.
Apparently NY is not willing to offer more than a skunk off the sidewalk for a prove ace.
by frozendesert on Jul 30, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Rosenthal says NYY unwilling to trade ANY of
Betances, Nova, Banuelos, and Montero
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They're trying to put together a package...
… around Mystique and Aura.
"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ubaldo may be destined to move somewhere
because of the lowered asking price. The sox are still “in on” Jimenez , so it may be that they have a 50% chance of getting him, albeit good or bad. And it’s being called a potential “franchise killer” for Cleveland.
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+1
Pomeranz, White and Kipnis are what I’d heard. Too much.
"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows what is going on
first there are rumors that he said he would be open to a deal. Now there is a rumor saying that he says he wants to stay.
Too many rumors going on. We’ll find out for sure what is going on in the next 21 hours
This seems more legit
Writers saying that Dodgers have confirmed Kuroda’s intention to block any trade.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Yea I have seem some more stories saying the same thing. So it seems like it is.
But you still never know. Remember, over the winter the Gonzo deal was confirmed dead by multiple sources because they couldn’t agree on a deal. It’ll definitely be an interesting last day that is for sure.
Phily source says Bedard is close
"@PHLBaseballNsdr: #Red Sox trying to get Bedard. Seattle would get either Che-Hsuan Lin or Chih-Hsien Chang as part of the deal. #tradedeadline"
Hoping to became a Stud!
is that legit?
why would a phillies reporter know so much about the deal/prospects?
Not true.
They are actually Chinese/Taiwanese.
Because Philly is HQ for ninja deals.
See Lee, Cliff and Asomugha, Nnamdi
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
After last night, why are we trying to get Bedard.
The results suggest he didn’t seem to be back from injury.
From what I understand, the velocity was there
And the curve had good movement, just couldn’t locate anything.
by South Coast Ghost on Jul 30, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
because he has AL peripherals that are better than Ubaldo
even with that bad start. When he’s healthy, he’s had a pretty damn good career.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They combine into one pitcher during the season
then become our 3/4 in the playoffs.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He was just rusty and had poor location.
His velocity was good and he looked healthy.
I would definitely like it if we could add Bedard as well.
Chiang would make sense for the Mariners.
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If we send Lin...
… does hix become a Mariners fan?
"Laser show. So relax."
Francona is to McDonald and Jenks as Infant is to Plastic Bags and Matches
by nuthinboutnuthin on Jul 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
minorleagueball.com
has nice writeups to all the prospects involved in major deals, always worth a read
Harden
If all we really give up is Lars, I’d call it a win. A healthy Harden can be a filthy Harden.
by The Burning Scheyer Jersey on Jul 30, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
If all we acquired was Harden too
I’d rather have Reddick than Willingham.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take Harden and Bedard
for Lars Anderson and Che-Hsuan Lin and be ecstatic.
Would be bummed to see Chih-Hsieng Chang go though.
But I’ve never been comfortable giving up legit prospects for pitching, at least this year. Not a huge fan of Ubaldo Jimenez.
by beantownboy171 on Jul 30, 2011 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
I think cleveland got hosed.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
We’d probably see Hassan in Boston before Chang, he’s pretty expendable.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That trade
is about trying to create a heartbeat in Cleveland. Amazing how far they have fallen since Game 5 of the ALCS in 2007.
So they should run the franchise on emotions?
They’re pretty close to having Pomeranz ready, and Ubaldo might be broken.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No
but they need to generate some interest in the Team.
The Indian franchise is in serious trouble.
They have a winning record right now,
so there’s interest in the team. White and Pomeranz should generate interest, but they may not pan out. But they’re so close to doing so, that I question this trade.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny - from rotoworld re:Lars
“The 23-year-old has a career .809 OPS over five seasons in the minor leagues and should start immediately for the A’s. "
Really?
Sadly, he might turn into their best hitter.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm.... I still feel that he'll eventually make it as an 'ok' catcher
but I’m assuming that this trade opens the door for Lavarnway to get more PAs playing 1B in Pawtuckett.
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If he turns into a 1B he loses pretty much all of his value to us.
But he could be a nice trade piece in the future, maybe someone who loses out on Pujols/Prince would take him for a package.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think the organization wants to turn him into a 1B for that very reason
but more at-bats is more at-bats so I can see him getting some time at 1B when he’s not catching for the PawSox.
With ’Tek eventually going to retire (right?), then Ryan and Salty would form a pretty decent offensive catcher tandem.
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Lars has a ton more value as a catcher
but I wonder about having both Ryan and Salty. Maybe after Lavarnway proves himself we deal Salty to someone and pick up a vet.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, salary is not an issue.
But obviously if you have a surplus of talent at one position, you may want to deal to shore up elsewhere.
I intend to worry about that problem later, when it becomes a ‘problem’ (hopefully).
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Likewise, It's mostly just talk now.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That should say Ryan, not Lars btw
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I figured as much.
’Wish sbnation would let us edit our comments!
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where is this bedard news you are speaking off coming from?
i see it nowhere
OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
that's because it's fake
If you put a # sign and then a team name on twitter, everybody thinks it’s real because they’re stupid. Last night people believed a rumor for Jimenez: Ubaldo to Boston for Lars and a few “dudes”.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect you are right.
’Cant find anything to substantiate it either.
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lololololololololololololololololololol
Sorry for the obnoxious response, but it was an obnoxious move. OC is terrible, needs to retire.
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll suck during the season
then pick up a few lucky hits in October and be named MVP of the ALCS if they manage to get that far. Just like that other former Red Sox shortstop.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Tweet from McCovey Chronicles:
Orlando Cabrera will start at first tomorrow, with Brandon Belt being sent down, if he’s not in the deal.
Pure gold. The Giants should be glad that their pitching can win basically by itself.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
West coast baseball rocks
Let's mess around with Belt up and down, and let's call up Trout and not play him
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by BoldandBrash on Jul 30, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Angels fan wonders why we kick their asses every year
and yes, I did mean to use the singular version of that word. I’m convinced the entire angel’s fanbase consists of Rev Halofan and his multiple personalities.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 30, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Time to sleep on it and read about any new Theo magic in the a.m.
g’night folks.
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