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Who The Red Sox Should Acquire: No One

This week, my colleagues took an in-depth look at a number of the players who are available on the trade market leading up to next week's deadline. Personally, I suspect that the most likely outcome—barring any unforeseen injuries or other strange happenings—is that the Sox stand pat.

My reasons? See after the jump.

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For the most part, I tend to view Theo as a troubleshooter: he tries to correct problems in a manner that will lead to a better team. However, I think his problem-solving ability is constrained by several factors.

  • Financial: The Red Sox are already pretty close to their expected financial outlays for 2011, and any new investments will almost certainly put them in the luxury tax bracket, where their repeated visits will stick them with an even higher rate than before. As much as the Sox conceivably have the money to spend, they are probably reluctant to do so.
  • Building from within: The argument of the "bridge year" in 2010 was that Theo Epstein was trying to make a long-term transition from the acquisition of high-priced free agents to a system where more players are promoted from within. The results on both fronts have been decidedly mixed—Crawford has woefully underperformed, and we've only seen smatterings of players from the minor league system make their way up to Fenway, and hardly any of them (not named Bard or Buchholz) has managed to stick around for any substantial length of time. However, I believe the fundamental logic is sound, and that there are enough worthwhile prospects at the upper levels of the system to provide backups where needed. Which brings us to the next issue:
  • Where do we put them? None of the players we'd be willing to part with are tradeable. J. D. Drew's $14 million per year price tag makes him an albatross. Trading John Lackey would require a bigger miracle than when the Jays traded Vernon Wells to the Angels. Carl Crawford has underperformed, but let's save that for another day. And the only bullpen guy who should really be tossed outright—hi, Bobby Jenks—is currently on the DL and therefore can't be traded. So that means that we'll have to option someone back down to Pawtucket or come up with some other unfortunate move to bring someone new on board. (I could see Andrew Miller being sent back down for a random starter, but that's about it.)
  • Past history. Theo's Deadline Day trades have only really paid off when there was a serious clubhouse chemistry issue—think of the 2004 Nomar Garciaparra trade, and the 2008 trade for Jason Bay. Most of the other late trades have ranged from unmemorable to downright disastrous: the less said about Eric "My Last Name Should Be Perdue" Gagné the better. I'm not one to say that clubhouse chemistry is the most important element of success, but it is also a delicate balance to strike. At this point in time, the Sox are withstanding almost the same onslaught of injuries they suffered in 2010, but with much better resilience than we would have expected after last year's team stumbled its way out of the playoffs. Some of that has to be due to a change in attitude—perhaps the reemergence of David Ortiz and Josh Beckett as dominant players and the addition of Adrian Gonzalez has led to a "can-do" spirit in the clubhouse. I'm not going to psychoanalyze it too deeply, and frankly I don't care. What I am concerned about is that the Sox should be leery of bringing in a guy who will disrupt the balance. I want, if anything, a player in the Billy Wagner mode—hungry enough to compete, but wise enough to not try to be the center of attention. 
  • Waiting in the wings: If we look at the current state of the Sox, they currently have the best record in the AL by 2 games over the Yankees. They just recently got back Carl Crawford, while Gonzo is in the middle of a slump. Yamaico Navarro is the backup infielder, and we have Josh Reddick on fire. Jon Lester and Buchholz are both on the DL, as is the guy who was supposed to be the Sox's other go-to eighth-inning guy. (Getting Jenks back, though, doesn't look like as big a gain as it should.) Jed Lowrie is apparently off fighting the Sith for all we've heard. So, this is one of those cases where the players waiting in the wings—or, in this case, the disabled list—have the potential to be just as critical players going forward as anyone the Sox might get in a trade.

Unless the plan is to DFA John Lackey with three-plus years remaining on his contract, the Sox are playing with fire by trying to make a big splash at the trade deadline. It would be like trading away the pair in a full house trying to get four of a kind in draw poker. It just might work, but it's more likely to blow up in your face.

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Mostly standing pat - OK.

Completely standing pat? Not likely. We could see a new face in the OF given D-Mac and JD are the backups (assuming Reddick is the starter the rest of the way). MIller/Wake as #5 SP the rest of the way (and that’s with the bold assumption that Buchholz stays healthy)? I don’t see it. Jenks? Let’s hope he stays on the DL for awhile. And I don’t think Hottovy or Williams have proven reliable enough to be called up except in an emergency..

I think we’ll have at least one change somewhere in there. My guess is it’s in the OF, but I’m hoping more for a SP.

by dsharp on Jul 22, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

We Traded For Nomar In 2004?

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by Jared Stegall on Jul 22, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Besides the thought near the deadline that he had given up on the team?

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by lone1c on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I recall, it was epitomized by a Yankees vs. Sox game...

Nomar was out with some nagging injury, and declined to go in as a pinchhitter, not being 100% (could have been legitimate, but perception was he didn’t want to play) and Jeter went head first into the stands (cut his face on the play) to make an out on a foul ball.

I believe that was the same game, and in 2004, shortly before the trade. It was cited as an example that the Sox leadership saw Nomar as unwilling to do whatever it took to help the team, while Jeter was on the other side showcasing his “intangibles.”

(Okay, I added the reference to Jeter’s “intangibles” just because I could.)

That’s the way I remember it, anyway. Right or wrong, there was a perception that Nomar was quitting on the Sox that season, bitter about the proposed ARod deal and subsequent moves to ship Nomar out as well.

by AlohaSox on Jul 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The same Garciaparra

who hit .321/.367/.500 for the Sox that year, and hit .378/.439/.486 in his last 9 games before getting traded? Who said after the trade “If it was in my control, I’d still be wearing a Red Sox uniform, because it’s the place I know, I love. All of those fans, I’ll always remember.”?

Who said this upon retiring: "I’ve always had a recurring dream, to be able to retire in a Red Sox uniform […] Earlier today, I did sign a minor league contract to be a part of the organization once again. I was getting choked up then, and I’m getting choked up now. I’ve got the chills.

“But to be able to have that dream come true, I really just can’t put into words because of what this organization has always meant to me, meant to my family, the fans. I always tell people Red Sox Nation is bigger than any nation out there, and to be able to tell people that I came back home to be back to Red Sox Nation is truly a thrill.” ?

yes, I spent 5-10 minutes on google, trying to find out if this was anything more than a rumor generated by fans. Nomar may have been upset but I don’t see any evidence that he “gave up” on the team.

by dennet on Jul 22, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing that he didn't want to stay

But there’s often a huge gap between reality and people’s perceptions thereof. His teammates may have had a different view of things. I don’t know for sure. All I know is that they decided to trade him right at the deadline, so there had to be something they knew that wasn’t made public.

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by lone1c on Jul 22, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

there definitely were concerns

Concerns about defense. Salary concerns. Worry that with injury risk Nomars career would soon be on the wane. But I think saying he “gave up” on the team is unfair. And I think speculation about a player, that’s not supported by reporting, that reflects negatively on a player’s character is the kind of thing that should be avoided unless there is strong evidence.

by dennet on Jul 22, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A conversation that Nomah had with a trainer instigated the trade..

I believe Nomah’s nagging injury was his Achilles tendon in 2004 during the Spring, and he allegedly injured it while playing soccer. In July 2004, after taking himself out of numerous games, he basically said to a trainer that his injury will just persists for the rest of the season, or a couple more months, and he may have to take it easy. This went up the chain of command to Tito then Theo. This was more of a fed up moment by the Sox’s front office with Nomar. Much like Manny forgetting which knee was bothering him.

Nomar was not a happy camper in 2004, whether he was injured, he felt insulted by the Sox Management, and he was going to be gone after the 2004 season, given both the Sox Management and Nomah and his agent Arn Tellem were very far apart..

The trade was necessary, mainly for fielding reason than for batting reason. The Sox became a different team without Nomah acting like a a grumpy Gus.

Varitek got Nomah a share of the pot that the Sox players got after winning the World Series, which probably show more of Varitek’s leadership than Nomar’s playing and moping.

Trading Nomah, was probably Theo’s riskiest decisions, but it was necessary.

by superferret on Jul 22, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nomar taking himself out of games in July

exists largely in people’s imaginations. He missed 4 games that month, which puts him in the same boat with Kevin Millar and Bill Mueller. Only Manny, Ortiz (2) and Damon (1) missed fewer games.

I don’t think speculating about what was “really” going on in people’s heads is ever fair to the players. It can never be confirmed and serves mostly as foil for character assassinations and hit-piece articles. Of which there were numerous on Nomar at the time. Then people repeat them and become ever-more convinced they are true. If a wikipedia article were written the way some anti-Nomar comments are, they’d be strewn through with [weasel words] and [citation needed] tags.

by dennet on Jul 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frakkin' prepositions.

One of these decades I’ll get them right.

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by lone1c on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A nitpick

I don’t think the Jays current starting catcher, Arencibia, traded Vernon Wells (it was GM Alex Anthopoulos). I think that is a gi-normous miracle. Lackey would be easier to move with some of his contract being eaten by the Sox given the dearth of pitching in the majors. Someone would kick the tires. Still, the Sox have more to lose than gain, so they’ll just cross their fingers on Lackey.

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by SoxDevil on Jul 22, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

True.

I should know better than to make a last-minute edit when I still haven’t had breakfast yet!

Thanks for the catch.

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by lone1c on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that we'll know based on today's bullpen session by Buchholz

If Buchholz has any pain or setback when he first pitches off the mound, I think the odds go up of Theo looking for a #3-4 starter.

If Buchholz looks comfortable, then I would not be surprised if we stand pat.

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by mmmmm on Jul 22, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

doesn't necessarily mean the budget isn't an issue

means that if someone will cost more money than they have budgeted, they’ll say they couldn’t work out a reasonable deal or just won’t bring it up at all.

by wolf9309 on Jul 23, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a #5 starter and a platoon/defensive right handed outfielder

Someone like Conor Jackson or Nate McClouth makes sense here, although I don’t think the Braves want to let McClouth go without replacing him with another outfielder. And either of the Mariners pitchers, Bedard or Fister, would be a good, or at least better than what we have, #5 starter.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 22, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

All about Bucholz

I guess the Red Sox will know pretty soon, if they don’t already, if Bucholz is going to help down the stretch. If he has a bad session, the Sox should make a move to get the best starter they can acquire reasonably. If the session is encouraging, they may do a little bargain shopping for a starter or some bullpen help.
From my perspective, I would like to see them get a good utility player; a right handed bat that can play OF/3B. I have mentioned Ty Wiggington before, who would be ideal. That being said, he appears to be a valuable player for the Rockies right now and they signed him to pretty club-friendly deal in the offseason.

by Scoop1981 on Jul 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If they are going to trade...

It has to be for starting pitching, but any starting pitcher to pitch semi competently in the AL East, is going to cost a king’s ransom.

by superferret on Jul 22, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

From ESPN’s Jayson Stark:

One AL exec’s description of the Red Sox: “Looking at everything. Don’t feel they HAVE to do anything.” This is a team that, from all accounts, has checked in on just about every prominent name out there. They’d still like an outfield bat who hits right-handed, but they don’t view anyone besides Carlos Beltran as a real upgrade. They’ve poked around for a difference-making starting pitcher who is more than a rental, but nobody except Ubaldo Jimenez would seem to fit their definition. And they’ve shopped for left-handed relievers, but they don’t appear overwhelmed by any of the current options. (Randy Choate? John Grabow? Sean Burnett?) So could this deadline actually pass without the Red Sox doing anything substantial? Wouldn’t shock us.

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by Drugs Delaney on Jul 22, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

completely agree

Buchholz is the big addition the Red Sox will get in the 2nd half. Having a healthy Lester, Beckett and Buchholz will do more for the Red Sox then trading for anyone who is not named Ubaldo (and Ubaldo is gonna cost way too much).

I really have no idea what the Sox will do, they will do something, the Magic Man Theo will find some move to make, but a big move seems very unlikely.

Sox are in 1st place in the AL East without a healthy starting rotation, a healthy bullpen and not having the regular lineup most of the season. Thats speaks a lot to the off season Theo had.

by SoxAcumen on Jul 22, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you forget for a second that Carl Crawford played in the first half

Then you could say that the Sox got “Carl Crawford” as their big acquisition for the stretch run. If he plays like Carl Crawford from here on out – big pickup!

by BobZupcic on Jul 23, 2011 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Crawford Has Improved

He has gotten considerably better as the season has gone along, plus can you find a better defensive left fielder than him? I’ve been very impressed with Crawford/Ellsbury/Reddick defensively. And offensively, we are the best in the league and I don’t see that changing. Ubaldo would cost a lot, but if we could pull it off without trading Lavarnway, Kalish, or Renaudo, it would be huge.

by Conor Duffy on Jul 23, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

People keep harping on this "he's a great defensive left fielder" stuff

but the fact remains that the Sox are a team with the least need for a great defensive left fielder. They play more than half their games in small parks where the difference between great defense and average defense is negligible. Oh I know “He plays half his games outside Fenway too!” Yeah, but he plays another 18 in Baltimore and Toronto, which are smaller parks, three in Chicago, and another three in Arlington. Total all those up and you have 105 games in parks were an elite defensive left fielder really isn’t that big a bonus. Then look at how many games they play where having an elite LF is actually a pretty awesome thing to have: 3 games at Comerica, 9 at New Morder, 3 at Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, 9 at Tampa (I guess). That comes out to be 30 games. Now I’m certainly not a mathematics major, but I’m pretty sure 105 is more than 30.

Also, take this for what it’s worth, but in 2011 Crawford has a UZR/150 of 1.9. That’s right, he’s been barely above average in left this year (based on UZR/150). For a player who is being paid over 20 million a year based primarily on his “elite defense” he sure isn’t giving us a lot back.

I miss Jason Bay…

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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 23, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know perfectly well that if UZR isn't completely useless,

a half year of UZR data IS completely useless. If you want to argue that defense isn’t terribly important in left field, that’s fine, but my view is that good defense is important everywhere. I liked Bay a lot, though was glad he didn’t get the contract he did with the Sox. I do remember that with him in left field, whenever the ball would get hit to right field I’d breathe a sigh of relief, and whenever it went to left, I thought “oh shit”- which is my very basic version of the eye test. Same situation with Nava et all last year. This year, I feel pretty confident when a ball gets hit to left- in fact, I’d argue that his defense plays better at Fenway than it does at most parks because he has tons of lateral range, so can get to balls in left field as well as left-center, making Ellsbury look better, but the fact that he has a weak arm is less noticeable because he has less distance to throw.

And certainly his bat has not been what we’ve expected, but that doesn’t mean that it will necessarily continue to be less than we expect into perpetuity, as he’s pretty well established himself as a pretty effective offensive player in his career.

by wolf9309 on Jul 23, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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