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A Realistic Trade Deadline: No Starters Available, Add Offense

As the July 31st trade deadline approaches, fans throughout New England are desperate for information on who Boston GM Theo Epstein will try to acquire in order to improve the first-place Red Sox. Pitching is an obvious need, but with the current market so bereft of quality starters, Epstein might have to go in another direction. Two areas of strength, the lineup and the bullpen, could instead be upgraded to an elite level.

After last winter’s Adrian Gonzalez trade, the Sox’s farm system is fairly bottom-heavy with high upside teenagers who don’t command a presence in negotiations. Sean Coyle, Garin Cecchini, and Xander Bogaerts will one day lead Boston’s top prospects list, but as of now, they’re just high-ceiling infielders that won’t reach the Majors (if at all) until 2015. Jose Iglesias, Anthony Ranaudo, and Will Middlebrooks, however, would draw heavy interest from opposing clubs. Deemed untouchable in December, Iglesias has likely lost that veneer, and deservingly so, because of his utter lack of offense in AAA. Already armed with Gold Glove defense, the Cuban defector has shown no talent with the stick so far this year. He’s not hitting for contact or power, and he’s certainly not showing off his on-base skills. Still, Iglesias’ Ozzie Smith-like defense is what’s keeping his trade value afloat, and because of that he could still be a centerpiece in a blockbuster deal.

A good starting pitcher is exactly what Boston needs. The key word there is good. The current hurlers available, however, either fall into the category of mediocre or unobtainable. The DodgersHiroki Kuroda was a strong, realistic option who could help the Sox eat innings and keep the scoreboard free of crooked numbers, that is until a report came out that he wouldn’t accept a trade to the East Coast. Starters like Bruce Chen and Edwin Jackson would hardly be upgrades, while Ubaldo Jimenez and Wandy Rodriguez can only be acquired for a prohibitive return. That’s why Epstein should instead strengthen his offense and bullpen, which both lead the league in WAR. The market for right-handed relievers and corner outfielders is flush right now, so why wouldn’t Boston pounce? The rotation, although shaky, might work itself out. Jon Lester is set to be activated from the DL next week, and Clay Buchholz is still “kind of sore” but aiming for a mid-August return at the latest. Felix Doubrant, a relatively low-upside left-hander in AAA, could be called up if Kyle Weiland continues to flounder (although he fared decently in Baltimore on June 19, yielding just three runs in six innings). Heath Bell, Mike Adams, Kerry Wood, and Tyler Clippard lead the list of righties available from out of the bullpen. With the trade market so saturated with pitchers like these, there are bound to be a couple great bargains come July 31.

Jose Reyes, however, should be their main goal. Mets GM Sandy Alderson has told the press that Reyes is staying in New York, but because he’s a free agent at the end of the season, it won’t be for that long. New York’s financial trouble is well-documented, and it’s obvious that they can’t afford an extension that could total over $140 million, so why keep him? To appease the fans for a couple months? To receive the two draft picks when he signs elsewhere? Obviously out of the pennant race, Reyes provides the most value to the Mets as a trade chip. Shortstop is such a thin position in the Majors that nearly half of the competing teams would be interested. An offer of Iglesias and Ranaudo would hard to decline. Unloading the farm system for a rental player is a controversial move that would have analysts in a frenzy but fans in a state of excitement. Whether Boston would re-sign Reyes in the winter is another question, but having him for the last two months of the season is just the boost that they’d need to become the best team in baseball. Iglesias might turn into the next Wizard of Oz, and Ranaudo could end up pitching like Roy Halladay for 20 years, but it would all be worth it if the Sox won the World Series in 2011.

Continued at http://www.splicetoday.com/sports/nervous-nellies-in-red-sox-nation

Poll
Which prospect should the Sox absolutely not trade?
Anthony Ranaudo
57 votes
Jose Iglesias
18 votes
Will Middlebrooks
20 votes
Sean Coyle
3 votes
Ryan Lavarnway
35 votes
Felix Doubrant
2 votes
Garin Cecchini
0 votes
Xander Bogaerts
3 votes
Ryan Kalish (DL)
12 votes
Other
4 votes

154 votes | Poll has closed

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more starters out there

Matt Garza would be interesting if Chicago doesn’t want him. Both old town hurlers could be had in DLow and Bronz. If Atlanta or Cincy would want to listen. I would jump at the chance of D.Lowe. He is the only pitcher in MLB history to win 3 clinching Playoff games in one season. I would rather have Iglesias @ a reasonable price then the money Reyes will command with his next contract. For a man whom has been on the DL for most of the past 3 season I’ll say PASS. Plus once you’re a MESS you’re a MESS all the way.

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by 18-1 damn on Jul 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I only do a trade IF it gets us a starter.

We don’t need more offense. We have a historic offense already. Let’s work on need. If we need anything get a platoon OF who bats right handed, but save the prospects for a pitcher.

Beltran isn’t worth the prospects it would take, and neither is Reyes(unless we sign him to an extension)

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by outofleftfield on Jul 20, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

We do have a historic offense

Although I do think a righty outfielder is warranted. I’d love to have Beltran as a rental, and although it’s been said that Boston has little salary wiggle-room, I wonder if this could be done with Boston taking on salary instead of giving up prospects.

That said, this statement is a frightening one going into the playoffs:

The rotation, although shaky, might work itself out.

There can’t be any “mights” going into October. I’m really concerned about Buchholz. This back injury has already lingered on much longer than anticipated, and it is really giving me the impression of “season-long concern”. It doesn’t seem to be going away. With Dice-K a bust, Lackey the mother of all question marks, I think another starter has to be considered a priority. Although Garza repulses me physically, if he was obtainable he would be awesome to have.

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by Bloggy on Jul 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, don't get me wrong, I do want a good righty bat in the outfield. In fact, I'd be overjoyed if we got something to make us better

I just realize offense is far from our main concern. Right now, if we were gearing up for the playoffs in a total of one month, our rotation features a dominant Beckett, Lester coming back next week, who knows how good he will be, Lackey, who I have taken to calling the new Dice-K, Andrew “grabbag” Miller, and HOPEFULLY Buchholz.

Luckily we do have spot starting depth in Wakefield, Aceves, and if we get really hard up, Weiland, Doubront, and Millwood (who honestly couldn’t be as bad as some pitchers have been, give him a shot).

I’ll see to your intrigue of Garza, I don’t really want him, but he’d be a great addition to have.

My dream deadline would be to get Hunter Pence, and a decent 4th starter (by AL East standards, and yes, apparently Pence IS available)

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by outofleftfield on Jul 21, 2011 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

If this team does not add a starting pitcher

they will not win the World Series

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by gizmosandy on Jul 20, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree with this.

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by Bloggy on Jul 20, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree with your agreement.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 20, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe this depends on other factors

Buchholz’s health, Lackey’s 2nd half and also it depends on which starter they add. Bruce Chen or Wandy Rod will do nothing to help the Sox except eat innings.

Buchholz comes back, Lackey stops pitching like a 10 year old who didnt get an ice cream cone, Red Sox look much better.

by SoxAcumen on Jul 20, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree completely

It also depends on which teams the Sox are playing against.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say Middlebrooks should not be traded out of the names on that list.

But only if Theo doesn’t intend on acquiring Chase Headley, who I still firmly believe can hit well in Fenway.

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on Jul 20, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Not this year, no.

but neither can any of the prospects on that list.

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on Jul 20, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by outofleftfield on Jul 21, 2011 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any trade for Jose Reyes is not realistic

The Mets aren’t likely to trade Reyes at the Deadline. The Mets are reportedly asking a lot for Beltran, a player who they’re going to let walk at the end of the year (and a player who won’t even bring back draft picks when he walks). Imagine what the Mets would want for Reyes, a player they want to keep.

Also, keep this in mind when talking about “realistic” Deadline moves:

“We’re interested in Beltran, but the price would have to be sensible,” one Red Sox source said Wednesday, reiterating the position Boston maintained from the outset. “We lost a lot of good prospects for (Adrian) Gonzalez and want to protect our better minor leaguers.”

The Sox aren’t likely to gut their system. I think a lot of fans should temper their expectations. Theo is usually conservative about trading prospects—especially for rentals. Reality baseball is a lot different than fantasy baseball.

Another thing worth noting when discussing the holes on this team. All of the contending teams have weaknesses. At the 96-game mark of the season, the Sox are on pace to win 99/100 games. Boston is 57-27 (.679) since starting the season 2-10 (has anyone seen 75bandwagon lately?). That means that the Sox have played at a 110-win pace over their last 84 games.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Jul 20, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember when people were scoffing at the 110 win pace I predicted for the season.

2 and effing 10.

As for Reyes and Beltran, I don’t want them. They’d cost too much for players we don’t really need. Could we upgrade SS and RF? Sure yeah, but to what end? Our offense is nearing historic levels without them.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 20, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Any trades should be for position players with more than this remaining half year of control, in order to improve the team for the future.

by Sologub on Jul 20, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to have Beltran

but I’m okay with Reddick, frankly.

If I woke up tomorrow morning, though, and saw that Beltran was a Sawk? I’d be happy. I have to say.

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by Bloggy on Jul 20, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Lackey, Lester and Buchholz can all have good, healthy second halves

This team HAS to make 0 moves. Our pitching will be good and our offense is already amazing. If this is indeed the case, we shouldn’t trade a single one of our top prospects, we don’t need to, everything we add will just be a luxury, why should we give up major future pieces for a luxury?

Assuming a healthy rotation, the only moves we might make are ones to relieve the 40-man roster jam up at the end of the year, deal players such as Fedex, Lars, Tejada, and maybe one of our several fallen pitching prospects and maybe add a bullpen arm.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 20, 2011 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

2/3 of those "ifs"

are big @#$%ing ifs. Lackey? No comment required. Buchholz? I’m still really concerned about the extent of his back issues. It just strikes me as a lingering, season-long type of thing. I haven’t been given any reason to believe otherwise. Lester seems less so…but until he’s on the mound for over 6 innings, I’m skeptical about him, too, I guess.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 20, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a second half I was going to write but I was too lazy.

And the guy calling so called “Ellsbury-bashers” morons in the other thread was calling to me.

But yeah, I consider those ifs to be pretty big ifs as well, plus we’re looking at an opening in the rotation for 2012 as well, along with the roster log-jam, leads me to think that a pitcher is in our future. I won’t even try to guess who, but I think we’ll get a pitcher.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jul 20, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a cheap proven AL pitcher

Edwin kackson should be the man… eating innings without costing us big prospects…
I agree that we have to get rid of Lars, Fedex, Tejada, and other guys to clear space….. hope we get someone like Kerry Wood- esque for them

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by RedSox Stud on Jul 21, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reliever is another good point

we don’t have a setup man for ’12, assuming Bard is closing and Jenks is still fat. Considering how deep this bullpen class is at the deadline, hopefully we can move some of these 40-man guys for a reliever who could be the setup man for next year.

by cds7c on Jul 21, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

a reliever would not be a bad thing at all

if we could get a pretty reliable setup man who’d be around for next year. For now though, I’m not stressed. Our bullpen this year is very good and for next year, I think between Albers, Doubront, Weiland, and Miller, we can keep the set-up situation pretty well under control.

by wolf9309 on Jul 23, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I like Garza

He could be the 5th guy this year, that would be great. But, with Lackey/Buch problems and a potential regression of Beckett (seems like he out ahead of his skis a bit, doesn’t it?), potentially Garza could pitch his way into 2nd position by the playoffs.

Certainly, over the next 2.5 years, Garza is about equal to potential of Buchholz. Probably ahead of Lackey (who I like a lot for the 2nd half this year) and maybe “Even Year” Beckett.

Garza, in my mind, is a poor-mans Phillies solution. Even though he is 180 degrees different pitcher and person, I see Garza as a Roy Oswalt addition for the Sox.

by cds7c on Jul 21, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as starters go, how about Felipe Paulino?

Undervalued guy who has pitched well, very solid peripherals, would benefit from a strong Sox defense.

by Sologub on Jul 21, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a real long shot, and is extremely unlikely to happen, so take it with a grain of salt.

If Beltran’s asking price is high, let’s go talk to the Astros about Hunter Pence.

They have said that he is available, and he, unlike Beltran would be worth the price in prospects. Especially if we could somehow get an extension with him.

I reiterate we need a pitcher more, but Pence is one of those players I’d love to have.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 21, 2011 5:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Pence just seems to me like a Good But Not Great type player

I just don’t think he’s worth the prospects we’d have to give up for him.

He’ll likely earn somewhere between $20-25m in the next two years of aribtration, he’ll likely cost a lot to acquire, he’s a career .291/.339/.481 hitter with a 6.8% BB rate and a 18.2% K rate. This year’s offensive numbers seem to come from a .378 BABIP, and his ISO is at a career low this year to boot. Some of that should be salvaged by him coming to Fenway where he could pull everything to the wall, but I just don’t see him as worth it.

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 21, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like two years of him, is more valuable than half of one from Beltran.

He’s definitely worth it if he signs an extension.

I’m pretty sure the conversation would have to start with Iglesias and Kalish. If we are really going to persue an OF bat, I want Pence over Beltran. Again, only if we are serious about the OF bat. I’d rather acquire a pitcher, but Pence has been on my wishlist for a while.

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by outofleftfield on Jul 21, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

His extension is not going to be cheap

Like I said, he’ll probably be making Drew-like money in by 2013, so any extension won’t be cheap or a really good deal.

I also still really believe in Kalish, and don’t think Pence is as good as he’s been this year.

by South Coast Ghost on Jul 21, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have two major-league ready, highly regarded, right field prospects

We have no need of two years of Hunter Pence or half a year of Carlos Beltran to be honest.

We need someone like Jeff Baker, Conor Jackson, or Jeff Francouer who can be a righty off the bench and can platoon with Reddick.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

We don’t need a starter in the OF, but maybe a RHH for a platoon.

I do think we need a SP, though… pitching wins in the playoffs, and if Buchholz comes back fully healthy (assuming Lester is already fully healthy, and starting on Monday) or John Lackey puts up a strong second half, we’re probably fine once we get to the playoffs (Beckett/Lester/Buchholz or a revived Lackey)…

However, if those John and Clay don’t come back in good shape, it’ll be too late to fix the problem. I’d love to see Derek Lowe back, but think he’ll be too expensive. Garza, Bronson, Fister?

I don’t know who, but I think we need one more SP. Just don’t think we’re getting what we need from Weiland, Miller or if we have to go to the next level with Doubront.

by AlohaSox on Jul 22, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My ideal targets would be Bedard and Fister

Fister would cost more since he’s under team control for a while, but Bedard would be a nice arm to start either Game 3 or 4 in the playoffs.

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by TheLoneDavid on Jul 22, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, yeah.

There’s that, too.

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by Bloggy on Jul 24, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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