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Who Should the Red Sox Acquire: Matt Garza

This week, we will take a look at some players that we feel Boston should acquire at the trade deadline. We'll all take a stab at a particular player we want to see playing for the Red Sox during the last two months of the season, as well as our reasons for wanting them in a Boston uni. Agree or disagree in the comments, as us authors don't even necessarily agree with each other on these players.

The Red Sox have a few specific needs they can address at this years trade deadline- they could opt to acquire a right-handed hitting outfielder to correct the terrible production they are getting at that position; they could shop for a shortstop who can best Scutaro with either the bat or the glove or they could add a starting pitcher. With Daisuke Matsuzaka gone for the year, Clay Buchholz without a timetable for return and John Lackey, well, lacking, I think the most pressing need right now is starting pitching. The best solution to that problem is Matt Garza

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Sox fans are familiar with the fiery right-hander who broke out with the Cinderella Rays of 2008, but few people seem to be aware that Garza is having his best season right now with the woeful Cubs. With his 4-7 record and very average 3.97 ERA, it is easy to see why people have overlooked him. However, if you look the things Garza that has the most control over, the picture is very different. He has an elite strikeout rate this season, whiffing 9.26 per nine innings and his FIP is just 2.91, over 20% better than the league.

 

Beyond just striking out more hitters, Garza has also been getting more groundballs than ever before. In fact, he is getting a lot more groundballs, approaching 50% grounders this year. Pitchers capable of groundball rates and strikeout rates like that are rare. Only eight players thus far this year have manage strikeout over 7 hitters per nine and get over 50% groundballs. Here they are-

 

Name

Team

IP

K/9

GB% 

BB/9

ERA

FIP

xFIP

Jhoulys Chacin

Rockies

123

7.76

57.60%

3.73

3.37

4.22

3.47

Jaime Garcia

Cardinals

124.1

7.67

54.30%

2.32

3.11

2.89

3.11

Ricky Romero

Blue Jays

127.1

7.63

52.40%

3.39

3.18

3.87

3.63

Jonathon Niese

Mets

118

7.47

52.30%

2.75

3.58

3.31

3.31

Cole Hamels

Phillies

136.1

8.19

52.20%

1.85

2.71

2.59

2.85

Roy Halladay

Phillies

147.1

8.49

51.90%

1.1

2.57

2.28

2.54

Tim Lincecum

Giants

129.1

9.67

50.60%

3.34

2.99

2.7

2.94

Jon Lester

Red Sox

114.1

8.66

50.50%

3.15

3.31

3.94

3.46

Matt Garza

Cubs

102

9.26

49.80%

3.18

3.97

2.91

2.96

 

Not a bad group, right?

The real question is not whether Boston should try to acquire Garza, but how much should they pay. Garza is entering his final arbitration year, so he is more than a simple rental. The Cubs are saying they want to keep him, but this is likely just posturing, since the team will need a major overhaul to be competitive in 2012. Garza is making $5.95M total this year, so his salary is far less of a concern that a Wandy Rodriquez or an Edwin Jackson. The cost here will be in minor league talent. In that respect, Garza could become too expensive quickly.

However, Jim Hendry has struggled mightily when making deals and with Ubaldo Jimenez being shopped he loses the leverage to bring in a massive prospect package. What’s more, he is obviously on the hot seat, right now. The pressure of fighting for his job might negatively impact Hendry at the deadline. To top it all off, injury concerns could even help push the price down more. Theo has every advantage in dealing with Hendry and might be able to lose very little in a trade.  Even if Garza does cost us one top prospect, like Ryan Lavarnway, Will Middlebrooks or Korbin Vitek, it will not significantly diminish the farm system, since Boston has continuously drafted and developed players well.

In the short-term, however, the move would be huge. Should Lester and Buchholz both return at full strength, the addition of Garza would push John Lackey all the way down to the fifth starter role. It would give us the ability to move Miller into the LOOGY role and minimize the starts Aceves and Wake would be required to make from here out. Our 2012 rotation would benefit as well, allowing Ranaudo and some of our other top prospects more time to develop. Most importantly, our playoff rotation would be absolutely elite. With baseball’s best offense backing them up, a Beckett-Lester-Buchholz-Garza staff would be a match for any contender we have to face.

After all, flags fly forever.

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Cubs practically flushed away their entire farm system for Garza

It would make absolutely no sense to then trade him after half a season for an inferior bunch of prospects. I say inferior because the Red Sox will not be parting with any A-grade prospects (the few that are left after the Gonzalez trade) when Garza would fall more into the category of “helpful” than “critical”.

by L33to II on Jul 20, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Reddick is peaking at the right time.....

I’m ecstatic over Reddick’s play right now because I think you absolutely have to move him. Find a RHB who can play more than against LHP, let JDD simmer for a while and hope Kalish might be able to contribute in September.

Reddick is exactly what GM’s need when they move these players, a guy who can play right away with a track record of success (in the AL East, nonetheless).

For Garza, I’d throw in Weiland, a Notre Dame kid who they can slot in immediately to their rotation. If they need a bit more sweetening, offer them Hazelbacker, Lin or Hassan.

And, of course, if they want Lars Anderson, he’s theirs. He has to go somewhere.

by cds7c on Jul 20, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would it ACTUALLY cost?

The problem with many (not all) of the trades proposed here and in the fanshots is that they grossly underestimate how expensive it is, in terms of prospects, to make big trades.

As Matt notes, Garza is a great pitcher who would be more than a rental. For that reason practically every team in contention would be interested. Matt writes: “Even if Garza does cost us one top prospect, like Ryan Lavarnway, Will Middlebrooks or Korbin Vitek, it will not significantly diminish the farm system, since Boston has continuously drafted and developed players well.”

I realize that Matt is saying "If"—that he’s recognizing that it could cost more than this—but there are still two problems with that sentence:

1. Garza would certainly cost more than one top prospect. Starting pitching is crazy valuable. And more importantly:

2. Vitek and Lavarnway are not top prospects. Vitek is a 22-year-old slugging .358 in Carolina; Lavarnway is a future DH. These guys are not going to have tons of value to other clubs, especially, in Lavarnway’s case, NL clubs.

So if we’re going to think about whether we want Garza, we would need to think about what he would actually cost. If you wouldn’t be sad to give him up, then other teams aren’t going to be happy to get him. (I doubt many of us would cry over losing Vitek.) Middlebrooks is possibly a good start, but you can assume the Cubs would demand Ranaudo. (I don’t think we’re getting a top starter without giving up Ranaudo). Doubront probably, too.

If Buchholz is coming back for the playoffs, I wouldn’t make a big trade for a starting pitcher. If it starts to look like his injury is going to be a season-ender, then I’d do whatever it takes to get one.

by Jake_W on Jul 20, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

At last some sanity

to this discussion. The Rays got 3 of the Cubs’ top 10 prospects as ranked by Baseball America, plus Sam Fuld, who has some marginal value. One, Archer, was the Cubs’ minor league pitcher of the year. Guyer was the Cubs’ minor league player of the year.

The Rays did send two other players in the deal, but getting Garza is going to cost A LOT. We may not have the prospects to do it without parting with Reddick.

I like Garza. I thought he was the second best pitcher here in Tampa last year, but his stuff is even better than his numbers.

by flasoxfan on Jul 20, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

All depends what you think of Reddick

If Reddick is David Murphy redux, then it make sense to deal him when he’s smacking the crap out of the ball. Even at that level, the Red Sox may be evaluating him as a starting RF candidate for 2012. I actually think they’d like to see him slump a little and work his way out.

On the other hand, if the Sox brass think he’s playing over his head, it makes sense to go get Garza using Reddick + anyone not named Ranaudo.

It’s really too bad Kalish got hurt earlier, but I think Reddick has really improved his stock. I’m hoping that he’ll show patience at the plate once his bat cools.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Jul 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reddick slump?

You truly belive the Red Sox would like to see Reddick slump to evaluate how he works out of it? Really?
Remember, this is the big leagues where players are expected to perform, not a developmental league. That is not to say the team won’t give a highly regarded and valued player a chance to come around, especially early in the season; see Pedroia 2007. I’m pretty sure the Boston Red Sox want to see Reddick continue to rake and help them win games, get to the playoffs and win the World Series.

by Scoop1981 on Jul 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree with this

 I’m pretty sure if they had their preference, he would beputting up lines of 1.000/1.000/4.000.

by BigRedDog42 on Jul 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, this is the time to trade Reddick

Lavarnway too, he is a tweener with high stock.

by cds7c on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont get why you want to trade these guys.

Reddick is helping the team win right now. Why trade him away when we don’t need to?

Lavarnway can rake and has torn up every level in the minors. He can help the team very soon as well and probably be Papi’s replacement in 2 years (providing we resign him, which I think we will).

We shouldn’t just trade prospects once they get good just for the sake of trading them. The deal has to make sense. Especially being in the position the Sox are in right now with the best record in the AL and no fatal weakness. If we followed that logic, the logic of unloading every good prospect, we wouldnt have Lester, Pedroia, Youk, Papelbon, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Bard, etc… There is a reason Theo likes to hang on to these guys.

I am not saying we should never give away young players. I am fine giving up our best prospects for elite players like Gonzalez but to trade them for the sake of trading them is just not the right way to go in my view.

by dja9783 on Jul 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have gone over this a number of times

but I’ll try to be concise.

my proposal is to trade Reddick + Weiland/Lavarnway/Doubront + B Level prospect (Head, Hazelbaker) for Garza. My theory is that the Cubs need a tangible return, and Reddick can start from Day 1 (of course, they’d have to trade Fukodome or Byrd for that to happen). Reddick, in my estimation, will regress the rest of the year, possibly sharply. He is redundant for 2012 when Kalish will be ready to go. One of the two of them should be traded, there is only one spot open in the OF for the foreseeable future. Garza, if I need to defend that, is a K pitcher with experience in the ALEast under control through ’13. I know, he spits.

I would then trade for a RHB for RF. Cuddyer would be great, I like Willingham. Even someone like Baker is fine, because I am comfortable platooning a RHB with JDD the rest of the year. With JDD’s defense and the rest of this offense, RF does not need to be a plus offensive position. Gravy would be Kalish getting healthy by September, being a call up and getting hot. That would be awesome, then you could feel comfortable transitioning him into a starting spot for ’12.

Lavarnway, in my estimation, is a guy without a position. I am comfortable with his bat at Catcher, but there really is no decent information on how bad his catching truly is. But, with Salty at least “stabilizing,” then I don’t think Lavarnway is a necessity for ‘12. And I wouldn’t earmark a kid for DH, when there are veteran hitters available every year who can handle that position (post-Papi) and that Youk may need to be there as soon as ’13, when Middlebrooks could be the 3B.

I like prospects too, but for the near future, starting pitching is short in the farm system while OF’ers are not. I would really trade Reddick or Kalish, I personally like Kalish better, but Reddick certainly seems to be in a sell high position.

I wouldn’t trade Ranaudo or Middlebrooks because I can see where they fit in. Ranaudo will take over in the rotation in about 2 years, Middlebrooks should replace Youkilis, maybe in ‘12 if Papi isn’t resigned for 2 years.

Sorry, that wasn’t concise.

by cds7c on Jul 21, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

your timing is off I believe

he was a super two, so he actually is under team control and arbitration through 2013.

by wolf9309 on Jul 20, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

You are correct sir, that is my mistake

And as such, the cost will be quite high. Jake W makes a good point in the Cubs wanting Ranaudo, but I can’t see that happening. As for lacking the prospects without Ranaudo, I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Baseball America rankings are a fine starting point for prospect discussions but they give far more weight to upside than to major league readiness. The Cubs will want to compete in 2012 and Hendry will have to show his owners that he can make that happen. If Ubaldo Jimenez is setting the market for top starting pitching I think a reasonable deal can be made.

If you want to match up what they gave away to get Garza a comparable deal could look like this: Workman, Middlebrooks, Lavarnway and at least low ceiling OF like a Nava possibly maybe another MLB ready guy (navarro/weiland/Anderson etc).

That is alot. Though if Larvanway has to move to 1B I don’t hate that deal entirely. I also think Theo does a much better job in dealing players than Hendry does and if he is facing down the firing squad in Chicago, he could very well get duped and take a number of MLB-ready guys. If a trade ended up along the lines of Doubront, Weiland, Anderson and a ptbnl would you turn it down?

Regardless, my miscalculation of his service time leads me to believe he won’t be moved unless things get a little nuts, cost-wise.

My Second choice- Beltran, we can just bury teams in runs then.

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by Mattsullivan on Jul 20, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding this:
If a trade ended up along the lines of Doubront, Weiland, Anderson and a ptbnl would you turn it down?

If that ended up getting it done I would definately do it. But that is a move that would do far more to lose his job than to keep it.

by The Name is Dalton on Jul 20, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that gets us Garza then I would do it in a second.

I would not cry if we trade Felix. I think parting with Weiland would be much harder than Felix.

by dja9783 on Jul 21, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

In my opinion

There is very little chance that gets it done. For what they gave up to get him, the Cubs would (again, in my opinion) ask for at least two of our top four prospects along with a lower level guy.

by The Name is Dalton on Jul 21, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given Adrian's

struggles with left handers (.698 OPS), if Ortiz returns to form against lefties (.988 OPS this year versus an average of .655 in ’09 and ’10), the Red Sox may actually be more vulnerable to left handers than we think.

Beltran is actually only hitting .232 against left handers this year, though his OPS is .839. Historically he hits right handers well, so I kind of like getting him if the cost isn’t too high.

I saw Lee twice against the Rays last year in the playoffs. He ate left handers (including Crawford) alive. I have a nightmare that he pitches a decisive game against us in the ws, and we can’t hit him.

by flasoxfan on Jul 20, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think IF that ends up being the World Series Match-up

I would have to think we would see him in Game 2 in Philly, at which point it becomes playing Gonzo in RF and Ortiz at 1B and going without that extra RH bat, or not having Ortiz in the game. I think they go with the first scenario personally and play Ortiz in the World Series. Depending on timing and if Oswalt is back or if they use Worley, we would probably then see Hamels (LH) in Fenway, and then Os/Worley in Game 4 (fenway), Halladay back in Game 5 in Fenway and then Lee in Game 6 back at Philly.

So unless they go with Halladay in game 4 and Lee in game 5, then it would be in their best interest to have Lee pitch twice in Philly since it presents that conundrum of Ortiz vs. RH Bat, and he is one of the better hitting pitchers on that staff.

I’m getting way ahead of myself though, don’t even want to think about it right now.

by The Name is Dalton on Jul 21, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Beltran if you can get him for money

I imagine a mets offer could look like this:

- Ranaudo or Kalish, Mets cover all salary,
- Doubront or Lavarnway, Mets cover half salary,
- Balcom-Miller or Hazelbaker, Red Sox cover salary.

by cds7c on Jul 20, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlikely the Cubs trade Garza

First of all, they obviously value Garza since they traded for him. Second, the Cubs are not the Rays or Marlins, they can certainly afford to pay any arbitration number. Now if the Cubs are 20 games below .500 at this time next year, that is a different story.
I think many trade hungry fans overestimate the willingness of teams, especially teams that have an actual paying fan base and decent management, to just dump players during the season. Stranger things have happened, but I don’t see the Cubs trading Garza now.

by Scoop1981 on Jul 20, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure they like him

and I don’t know what they’ll do. What they should do is realize that they’re years and a few bad contracts away from being a contending or “.500” team as it’s called in the NL central, but they seem to resist that year after year. Hendry seems to be desperate enough for his job that he’s trying, unsuccessfully, to compete every year, and there does seem to be a decent chance that they won’t actually decide to rebuild until he’s actually gone.

by wolf9309 on Jul 20, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

They do have some terrible contracts

but this is not one of them.

It is very hard for big market teams to sell the “rebuilding” meme.

by flasoxfan on Jul 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trade a bucket of double bubble for Hendry

and then try to trade with the Cubs. Maybe they’ll actually get a real GM.

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by BoldandBrash on Jul 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Like Anibal, Ubaldo, and Wandy, I don't think he'll go anywhere.

The Cubs gave up too much for him to trade him away so soon.

by dsharp on Jul 20, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I would love to have Garza

But they are in massive need of an overhaul, as you said. But that is the reason you keep a Matt Garza, not trade him away. He’s one of the pieces you would want going forward.

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by Bloggy on Jul 20, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yes and no

part of the overhaul is you need to get good prospects in from somewhere- the problem is that most of the guys the Cubs have that they’d like to be rid of- Soriano, Zambrano, Fukudome aren’t going to bring in prospects; they’ll at the very most, bring in a bit of salary relief. Their other valuable impending free agents, Ramirez and Wood, both have no trade clauses they fully intend to exercise.

If they do decide to rebuild, they’re going to have to move a guy like Garza or Marshall just because they’re some of the few players on the team that could genuinely bring back prospect value. Now, in my mind, it’s more likely that they won’t trade him now, Hendry will get fired after the season, and they’ll hire someone else to bring them into overhaul mode, but I think the Sox should be trying.

by wolf9309 on Jul 20, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cant watch this guy pitch at all

he spits every single time the camera is on him. Garza has disgusting personal hygiene, so no please.

by SoxAcumen on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

^ THIS

I’ve gotten my wife to enjoy baseball, but she hates Garza for that reason. It would set back years of hard work on my part if he joined the Sox.

by Jake_W on Jul 20, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

I respect Garza for his ability. And, frankly, my panicky concern about our rotation (and Clay in particular) has caused me to jump on the GET GARZA bandwagon, but less-sober second thought has made me realize that my missus also is absolutely disgusted by Garza. And, goddamn, so am I.

The idea of The Alpaca constantly spitting is the Red Sox whites is an awful mental image.

I retract my support for the acquisition of Matt “Hector” Garza.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jul 20, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

jimenez

one simple reason look at first base for the red sox and rockies red sox have the position locked up for a good 8 years while the rockies have two ageing players being giambi and helton. its simple the red sox will finally have a spot to dump lars along with a ranuado type player for jimenez and get a great pitcher for a deal that doesnt hurt the future of the red sox

by EaglesandSox7 on Jul 20, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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