Wakefield and Aceves combine into Voltron Starter
With John Lackey back, the Red Sox only need one of their backup starting pitchers to stick in the rotation in order to fill in for Daisuke Matsuzaka. Manager Terry Francona had mentioned that Tim Wakefield and Alfredo Aceves would be used with match ups in mind, but both are right-handed, and neither has major platoon splits, so the how of that was somewhat up in the air.
Last night, though, we may have seen a glimpse of what Francona was talking about. Wakefield threw 91 pitches over 5 1/3 innings and allowed five runs in that stretch. Once he got into trouble in the middle of the game, Francona called for Aceves... and no one else. Aceves has been stretched out, as he has started three games for Boston and two in Pawtucket, so if he is pitching well, there is no reason he can't go 3-4 innings every five days. He pitched better than Wakefield last night, even, going 3 2/3 frames with four strikeouts against one walk, one run allowed, and four hits using 59 pitches, 63 percent of them strikes.
If Aceves can be something of a dedicated reliever every fifth day, then the rest of the Red Sox bullpen can get an extra day to rest (or, at least, pitch less often than relievers do following a team's fifth starter). Fresher versions of Daniel Bard, Bobby Jenks, Matt Albers, and the other arms in there could mean a lot to this team--remember how fatigued Bard was down the stretch last year, when the entire weight of holding leads was thrust onto the shoulders of he and Jonathan Papelbon?
This isn't a new idea by any means. Grady Fuson has used tandem starters in the minors for years, rather than relying on minor league relief arms to finish out games, but it is not an idea that has caught on everywhere in the majors. It also isn't entirely necessary everywhere in the rotation (or possible, given the lack of quality arms league-wide) but in the fifth spot in the rotation, where you aren't taking innings away from a more productive pitcher, it has merit.
Plus, there is something to the idea of a "hangover effect" for knuckleball pitchers. Hitters tend to perform worse the day after facing a knuckleball pitcher, according to research by Ben Lindbergh last year:
If a moderate knuckleball "hangover" effect exists, this is essentially what we’d expect it to look like. After facing Wakefield, strikeouts go up, homers go down, and overall performance suffers, with rates rebounding on the second day of release, and returning to near-normal levels by the third day of deliverance.
Batters have also performed worse following Wakefield's exit from the game, though, as Lindbergh notes, that may simply be due to the nature of high-quality relievers coming in after the starter.
This does lend weight to the idea that Wakefield should be the fifth starter, though, and not Aceves, as Aceves may see a boost to his own performance by virtue of being a non-knuckler following Wakefield, in addition to the extra rest afforded the other relievers. Let's hope that this is something Boston is doing intentionally, and that they will continue to toy with this fifth-starter experiment.
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Luckily, they're combining to form the cool Lion Voltron
As opposed to the lame Vehicle Voltron. (Would that be like combining Burnett and Colon?)
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Oh, and while I'm at it.
I still maintain that the best thing Tito could do in a game with Wakefield—particularly in the first game of a series—is to follow Wakefield up with Bard. Perplexing hitters by making them wait to hit the fluttering knuckler, than have to catch up to a 100 mph heater that can sometimes become The Best Pitch Ever? Deliciously Evil. Almost worthy of Schadenfreude pie, even.
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yeah, but that's getting a bit greedy
Aceves has some pretty decent heat, himself. Certainly, 94 != 100, but after a steady diet of Wakefield 65mph ‘heat’, suddenly 94 looks damn close to 100 …
Think of it as “Aceves after Wakefield” == “fake 100mph heat”.
Save the ‘real’ 100mph stuff for the special occasions.
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I won't argue with last night's results,
but I don’t believe using six roster spots to fill out a five-turn rotation is an effective long term solution.
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
It is if you only use those last two spots and no bullpen guys on the 5th day
think of it as a guaranteed complete game every day from your #5 guy
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Well said.
Loved how it turned out last night.
Second 3 inning save of the season for the Sox, and while someone said they thought Aceves had done it both times, I think the first was Atchison, right? Aceves only has one save in his stats this season, so it wasn’t him.
I buy that in theory,
but what will happen if and when we take a <3 run lead into the ninth?
"If your happiness depends on Boston winning or losing, you have to get a life." Manny Somebody-or-other
I think this is an interesting idea that I’ve never thought about before. It will be interesting to see the results over a period of time, but I’m always in favor of Wake being a starter. Not only do I love Wake, but he mixes up the rotation with his knuckleball and it’s an advantage for the Sox.
But the winner is
“Jake Peavy to test groin in rehab assignment.”
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For OTM sure. But worldwide?
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Saw that on Yahoo this morning.
Our worst fears have been realized.
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"Bruins win two straight from Canucks in SCF"?
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A correlation somehow?
Loved watching the last two games… those first two in Vancouver, we might have been outplayed, but they barely escaped with the wins. With the emotion Boston is playing with now, I hope we take this next one in Vancouver and close it out back in Boston.
Do note that Papelbon was warming in the eighth when the score was still 8-5
When Crawford made it a four-run lead it got very, very interesting, given what happened last time a save situation turned into a four-run lead in the eighth. But Drew thankfully made it a no-doubter to bring Aceves back in. You say this plan only works if no other relievers work these games, but I have a hard time believing Francona wouldn’t bring in Papelbon in save situations all the same.
Hmm?
The plan doesn’t only work if no other relievers are used. But if fifth starters generally go 5-6 innings, and they only need one other inning of relief (if that) outside of Aceves in a fifth-starter game, then it’s working.
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by Marc Normandin on Jun 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, that's what I was wondering
I’ve had this idea myself, but didn’t know if it would be an efficient use of arms. If Aceves only pitched 3-4 innings every five days, would he be available to pitch an inning in the meantime? My answer to that question is that Wakefield cannot be expected to give 5-6 innings every time he starts, so there would probably be cause for more improvisational use of Aceves than a strictly Voltron starter. But the concept works perhaps as a basic guideline to riff off of.
Starters have a throw day in between starts
So yes, Aceves would be available once in between those appearances for Wake as well, if necessary.
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by Marc Normandin on Jun 9, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Though a bullpen is hardly the same as a real game
so would he pitch an inning 2 games before his/Wake’s turn in the rotation every time or something like that? Sounds odd.
It’s an interesting idea… I like the idea of giving Miller a shot better if his control is actually improved.
Miller/Doubront will have their shots, I believe
Lackey has not seen the last of the DL this year. Buchholz’ back is causing problems. Something’s wrong with Beckett (is it the neck, or something more?). And now you’ve got to wonder if Lester isn’t hurting somehow. Maybe at some point in August we’ll see a rotation of Wakefield/Aceves/Miller/Doubront/some trade product.
this only works well if...
The 2nd guy doesn’t mind not getting any W’s. Aceves doesn’t seem like the type to care about W-L… just as long as he gets to pitch.
yet ironically, he has a hell of a lot more W's than L's in his career!
His career W-L is 17-2.
Not that that means anything in itself.
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yeah. I saw some stat where he had won his previous 12 decisions in a row or something.
Although that came to a screeching stop with his last start. Still a crazy stat though
To be fair
Long relievers don’t typically see too much action when their team is already winning, especially when the game is close, so usually if they get a loss it means they realllly screwed up.
that's not necessarily true
the papelbon meltdown game is an example. Tie ballgame in extra innings. Could’ve gone either way. Not sure how the Yankees used him (maybe they only brought him in when they were trailing and never when they were even), but 12 in a row is pretty sweet
Its hard to pull out exactly how Aceves got all of his W's
but he’s 15-1 as a reliever – all in non-save situations, while only 2-1 in 8 starts.
Interestingly, he’s split pretty evenly in appearances with the lead or behind: 263 PAs with the lead and 282 while behind.
The slight trend towards appearing when behind supports wolf’s point – a long reliever is more likely to come in after a starter has given up the lead. But its not an overwhelming difference here.
But wolf is correct on a general level. If you come in while trailing, the odds are small that you will take a ‘loss’, since that requires your team to first gain the lead and then lose it again.
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