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Theo's Best: Trades: Number Five

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In the history of baseball it isn't hard to find All Stars hitters traded for nobodies. Cy Young pitchers have been dealt for a few buckets of warm spit. The 1950s Kansas City A's sole reason for existence was to trade their good players to the Yankees while absorbing organizational garbage in return. Every GM makes mistakes. It's part of the job. Many fans are traumatized by these failures, unable to see the successes for the dark cloud of regret that hangs over their heads. At OTM, we're not that way. We're not going to fall into that negative trap, man. No way. It's sunshine and kittens with little bonnets all the time here. And good trades. Sunshine, kittens with bonnets, and good trades. All this week we’re going to count down the five best trades made while Theo Epstein has been the General Manager. We’ll start with number five.

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The Red Sox have made close to one hundred trades on Theo Epstein's watch. Some, like the immortal Tim Bausher for Mike Burns deal, are easy to dismiss. The great part about that deal is you don't know which player the Sox acquired and which they traded away. Neither did I until I looked it up (they received Burns).

To make the list that follows I did not invent sixteen categories and rank each deal on a 1.7-126 scale. That would be ridiculous. No, I used a 1-127 scale. In all seriousness, this list is subjective. But when evaluating the deals, I looked at both what happened post-deal and the situation when the deal was made. Hindsight is important to evaluate what happened, but the circumstances at the time carry an equal or greater weight. Without further ado...

5. Shea Hillenbrand for Byung-Hyun Kim (2003) - The 2003 Red Sox were not one of those impossible to unravel mysteries. They had hitting but were short on pitching, a situation leading your average smart GM to deal some excess hitting for pitching depth. Only Theo did you one better. On its face, Epstein traded a starting third baseman with a shiny .300 batting average and some power for a reliever who had almost blown the World Series. Twice. When the deal was officially agreed to both Arizona GM Joe Garagiola and Epstein probably jumped up and down as quietly as they could to not alert the other to how excited they were whilst continuing to exchange pleasantries.

In Hillenbrand, the Sox gave up a former 10th round draft pick from high school who had steadily moved up the minor league ladder without doing a whole heck of a lot. Outside of one season at A ball when he hit 19 homers, Hillenbrand's minor league track record wasn't that of a future star. His first season in Boston wasn't either, but in 2002, his second season, he slugged .459. It was enough to push him just above league average overall production. At the same time new GM Theo Epstein had come in and was beginning to place a premium on plate discipline and getting on base. Sadly for Hillenbrand, these were two aspects of the game he never mastered.

In 2003, Epstein brought in Bill Mueller, David Ortiz and Jeremy Giambi, all corner infielders with patience. This made Hillenbrand expendable, and he was dealt to Arizona at the end of May. Hillenbrand’s slash stats don’t look bad but his OPS+ is instructive in this case as as it provides some context. In two years in Arizona Hillenbrand’s .294/.331/.471 was good for an OPS+ of 100 or exactly league average production. Two years later Hillenbrand was traded again, this time to Toronto where he was a slightly above average player for a year at age 29 before devolving into Shea Hillenbrand again. Hillenbrand spent a little under two seasons in Toronto before being dealt again, this time to San Francisco. From there he spent a couple seasons trying to play for the Dodgers but his career had essentially come to a conclusion at age 31. By fWAR, Hillenbrand's best season was his 2002 in Boston. Epstein sold high.

Kim is largely forgotten in early Epstein-era Red Sox lore, but a quick look at his ERA+ shows how much above average the reliever was. I use ERA+ because the era so distorted stats in favor of hitters that simple rate stats don't look impressive without context. Kim's ERA+ in 79.1 innings in 2003 was 147 (like OPS+ 100 is average). He was coming off a season of 225 ERA+ ball in Arizona.

Kim's ability to both strike hitters out (his six seasons in Arizona resulted in a sick 10.6 K/9), keep walks to a reasonable level and, believe it or not, keep the ball in the park, made him the relief ace the '03 Red Sox desperately needed. Yes, he got hurt early in 2004* and was ineffective but that wasn't foreseeable. It wasn't unforeseeable either but these are the chances you take.

*Looking at Kim's strikeout rates, one wonders if he wasn't hiding an injury in 2003. Between 2000 and 2003, Kim's K/9 was cut almost in half from 14.1 to 7.5.

Kim fit the Red Sox roster like a drink of water fits someone returning from a long run, while Hillenbrand fit the Sox roster like a cactus in the tookus, which, it turns out, he kinda was. It didn't hurt that Hillenbrand's moving to sandier pastures allowed the Red Sox to start Bill Mueller at third. That's the same Bill Mueller who the batting title that year. So even if the trade only garnered a year's worth of pitching from Kim, it opened the door for one of the real heroes of 2004. This trade was a combination of removing an excess piece of the roster, opening up playing time for better players, and obtaining the exact piece the team desperately needed. Epstein did this all in one shot. Not bad for a day's work.

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Tomorrow: Number Four on the list...

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I think I'm going to like this series.

It’s cool how you took what, on the surface, appears to be a relatively innocuous and unimportant trade and pointed out that it actually had significant impact on the team that year and down the road.

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by Steve Stoehr on Jun 13, 2011 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

Hopefully I’m able to be as insightful with the next four.

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by Matthew Kory on Jun 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting rid of Shea Hillenbrand is never a bad move.

by JaysfanDL on Jun 13, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hillenbrand had other issues than his stats..

  With Ortiz blossoming with the Sox, whether with PEDs or not, there wasn’t a batting lineup spot for Hillenbrand. Second, as his time in Toronto and San Francisco showed, he wasn’t the most popular person in the clubhouse.

  I would consider this trade more of a loss to neutral. Pitching is always a priority, and Hillenbrand was expendable..

by superferret on Jun 13, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Maaaaaaaaaaaaan....

you are gonna hate this series.

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by Bloggy on Jun 13, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose it could have been more...

…but how long do you want a series to go? I figured one trade per day this week makes for a good series. Beyond that I think it’d get overwhelming.

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by Matthew Kory on Jun 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has he made a single really good trade yet?

Schilling and Gonzo are good trades, but Theo has never had a steal.

by Sean O on Jun 13, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you define a steal?

He’s never traded Chad Bradford for Ted Williams, no, but then neither has anyone else.

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by Matthew Kory on Jun 13, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading something of low value for something of high value

The closest would be Schilling considering nothing came of the prospects, but we also knew Schilling was at best 1-2 years.

by Sean O on Jun 13, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

A steal would be Atlanta's Edgar Renteria deal

Jurrjens is looking pretty incredible this year, and Renteria was about as good in Detroit as he was in Boston (I think, my cousins all hated him in Detroit.)

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by TheLoneDavid on Jun 14, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How often does a 'steal' occur for any GM, though?

Also, as someone (l33to?) pointed out in regards to FA acquisitions, for a ‘contending’ team, the marginal value of an extra win player is more important than for a losing or mediocre team. Thus, just like with FA players, it is probably worthwhile for a team like the Sox or Yanks to ‘overpay’ in trades.

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by mmmmm on Jun 13, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would figure once in a decade isn't asking too much

The Wagner deal was a positive, but the Mets were also desperate/stupid.

by Sean O on Jun 13, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you'll find many steals

where one team isn’t desperate and stupid.

by wolf9309 on Jun 13, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except when said rental comes along

With Anthony Ranuado and Kolbrin Vitek.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 13, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt, it was a good deal,

And the Mets clearly screwed the pooch.

by Sean O on Jun 13, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two steals..

Ortiz off waivers, (PEDs or not)
Okajima, who was the Sox miracle worker in 2007.. (yeah, yeah, from 2009 onward, just ignore the anger toward him)

by superferret on Jun 13, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schilling, Martinez, Crisp

Bay/Manny is arguable but I liked it

by BobZupcic on Jun 13, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

something tells me we will all see the Gonzo trade as a good one.

by dja9783 on Jun 13, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me that shouldn't make the list

Because it’s just to early to tell how well that worked out for everyone.

by Maeamian on Jun 13, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt it.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jun 13, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't theo,

And wasn’t a good trade.

by Sean O on Jun 13, 2011 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Completely disagree with you there

Beckett and Lowell helped win us the 2007 World Series. Before injuries Lowell was great in Boston and Beckett is arguably having his best season since 2007 (not to mention a pretty good one in 2009).

And you could agrue that had those two been healthy in 2008 we might very well have won it again that year too. Great trade that worked out for both teams.

by dja9783 on Jun 13, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't bother.

We’ve all tried.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Jun 13, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

sean o is correct on both counts

it wasnt theo and it wasnt a good trade . It was a GREAT trade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by brady12mvp3 on Jun 13, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanley, even with his off-year,

is a top 5 (or top 3) player in the NL. Anibal has a 116 career ERA+. We have yet to find an acceptable SS.

by Sean O on Jun 13, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without Beckett, the Sox don't win the 2007 WS.

That makes it a GOOD trade.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Jun 13, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by Lloyd Christmas on Jun 14, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your point is well taken

but Hanley is showing weird signs of decline. In a full year last year he was “only” a 4.6 WAR player with awful defense. This year he has been so bad that he is zero WAR! At the plate he has been a lot worse than Tek in 200 PAs and he is an absolute headcase-hated by managers and players alike. While I think it is fair to say he has been missed and has been a very talented player I am not sure that going forward Hanley is a player we would die for.

by Buzzy on Jun 13, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some good points until...

“…an absolute headcase-hated by managers and players alike.” That’s a bit over the top, don’t you think?

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by Matthew Kory on Jun 13, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ask Fredi Gonzalez...

that incident put him in Manny-land, and he has a history of ripping his teammates. He was immature when he was in the Sox system and by all reports he has not changed all that much. Perhaps my quote above is a bit over the top, but the guy has an attitude problem. I would certainly like to have that “attitude problem” on my team, but it does make me miss him less…

by Buzzy on Jun 13, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the team is particularly fond of him.

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by Rogue Nine on Jun 13, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't going to count it.

Theo Epstein was on hiatus at the time so, even though there’s been some thought that he was at least aware of the deal and able to give his opinions on it, I don’t think it’s fair to hold him accountable for it, one way or the other.

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by Matthew Kory on Jun 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article.

I look forward to the next one, Matt.

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by mmmmm on Jun 13, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

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by Matthew Kory on Jun 13, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curious to see the rest

Particularly the domino effect, for example: Trading Chris Carter for Billy Wagner in 2009 (13.2 dominant regular season innings), which netted two draft picks that off season, landing Kolbrin Vitek and Anthony Ranaudo last year.

All told, super sweet deal.

by AGuinness on Jun 13, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by mmmmm on Jun 13, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade is not Theo's major prime mover

his philosophy is that trading with teams with lesser payrolls usually involves giving up valued prospects. Theo’s philosophy has been based around:
a)FAs that are undervalued (e.g. Ortiz)
b)FAs that provide long term value but cost a lot (e.g. Crawford-although he paid too much)
c)FAs that provide short term value and prospects at the end (e.g. Beltre that is a valued player who can turn into good picks if he departs).

Still, his trade history has not been horrible. The Schilling trade was a great trade because little was given up. The Nomar trade was pretty good and served a good purpose. The Bay deal was about the best that could be done, I’ll call that a good deal and we got back as much as we could. There have been the short term gains with risk of long term loss (VMart for Hagadone/Masterson netting a player who was good but is gone for one we would like to have back). There also the “domino” deals as AGuinness says, where a short term player adds utility and turns into prospects via the picks. There have been somewhat bad deals too (Wily Mo, etc) but they generally don’t involve too much of a loss. Basically Theo’s strength has been to make minimal use of trades. Use them to give up valued prospects in the extreme case of a coveted player (AGonz), or for short term gain with prospects at the end and otherwise build the team with FAs, internal prospects and bargan basement pickups.

by Buzzy on Jun 13, 2011 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

And...

by minimal use of trades I mean not doing the Omar Minaya (Colon for Phillips, Lee, Sizemore; Santana for….)-Theo could have jumped at Santana and now we would be without Lester, Ells..etc. He could have offered a Montero (if we had one) for Cliff Lee…he generally stays away from such moves. You could call the AGonz one a case of this-but he really only gave up Kelly (Rizzo may be good but was a few years away and we were getting back a 1b who is overwhelmingly likely yo be better) and who is in his prime.

by Buzzy on Jun 13, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Santana for 4 Sox players trade in 2007/2008

was Lester, Crisp and two top prospects, or Lester, Ells and two prospects.. I do know the person adamantly against dealing Lester was John Farrell, and guess what? he was right…

Much like Plastic Surgeons, a General Manager makes their reputation in operations they don’t perform. The Twinkies were asking for way too much. Besides the Sox had to offer Santana a huge contract to seal the deal

 It is always interesting that the Mets have been the customer for all the deals and trades that the Sox wouldn’t do, (Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana , Jason Bay, etc. etc.)

by superferret on Jun 13, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The twins began by asking way too much

but after 6 weeks they accepted absolutely nothing for Santana. We could’ve had him for Ellsbury and some lesser pitching prospects, because that’s effectively what the Mets gave up. And the Twins GM called Theo the day the trade finished for a final offer.

by Sean O on Jun 14, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

if the reports are true the Twins were asking WAY too much, and it is true they ended up not getting anything of value from the Mets. I would not even call the Santana move one of Minaya’s worst, except taking on an elbow-iffy pitcher resigned to a balooning contract…

by Buzzy on Jun 14, 2011 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t want to repeat myself on this point, but I will for one moment..

    There is a reason why the Sox have only one Southpaw on the team’s starting rotation. Lefties are going to have problems at Fenway, or most of the time, Lefties are going to have problems with the dimensions of Fenway, with exceptions like pitching a no hitter like Lester did at the park..

 Santana is a good example of a team paying for past performance. Teams want the Johan Santana of 2004, but they are getting the Johan Santana of 2009/2010, which is a different pitcher.

  There is also a reason why the Sox weren’t in the Cliff Lee Sweepstakes, even though his performance against the MFYs probably made some at the Sox Front Office drool a bit. They dont’ want too many lefties on the starting rotation.

Santana by the end of 2007, was showing signs he wasn’t the dominant pitcher he was in 2004/2006. He was also showing signs that he wasn’t throwing his slider, because as it turned out it was damaging his arm.

  If the Sox traded for Santana, it would had been a nightmare, given he would be on the DL, and the Twins would probably be a much better team with Lester.

by superferret on Jun 14, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bay trade was the best possible outcome in a really bad situation..

However getting rid of Manny was a priority, which was sad, but it had to be done. If I were the Pirates, I would had sued because of the dud of what the Sox gave to Pirates with Craig Hansen serious health problems, however it was a pretty good trade.

  If the Sox were a tight budget team, like the Rays, paying the Dodgers Manny’s salary, (I think something like $8 million, but I maybe wrong) for the rest of 2008, was probably a bad decision, but the Sox could weathered that better..

How I look at it the Sox got to Game 7 of the 2008 ALCS, which in many ways was a success, not a World Series ring, but it showed that the trade was a good trade.

Much like the Sox made a very wise decision in not signing Bay in 2009/2010.
 

by superferret on Jun 13, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1 to all.

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by Bloggy on Jun 14, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

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