Another Potential Solution at Catcher
by TheLoneDavid on Apr 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT
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Obviously we're all sick to death of Jarrod Saltalamacchia, his bat is godawful, his defense is even worse, and we simply need another player behind the plate. Tek's too old to play every day, and none of the guys in the minors are ready to come up and take over.
Here at Over The Monster, we've come up with a billion and one solutions, it's become our new favorite pastime. From Geovany Soto to David Ross and every backup and potential free agent between it seems like we've left no stone unturned. Allow me to turn hopefully the final stone in this seemingly futile search: Jonathan Lucroy.
Lucroy is relatively unproven, he's played all of 83 games in the majors, or just over one half of one season, and those 83 games are none too promising: .263/.311/.344. However, he has a reputation as a "decent" defensive catcher, which is light years ahead of what we have in Saltalamacchia. Lucroy's minor league numbers look much better, with a .263/.380/.418 slash line in 125 AA games, the last time he played significant time in the minors.
The Sox would also be dealing from an even position with the Brewers, we have the worst catcher in the majors bein backed up by a player who is too old to play every day, and the Brewers are in the same position in regards to another prime defensive position: Shortstop. Yuniesky Betancourt still has a job in the majors for some reason or another, and the Brewers are looking to rectify that. We have the solution stashed in our minor leagues, being blocked by Nomar Jr. In fact, we have three answers down on the farm, so it shouldn't be a big deal to ship shortstop prospect Yamaico Navarro to Milwaukee with Salty while they send us Lucroy in return.
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I forgot an important positive with him.
31% Caught Stealing.
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The post 2003 Red Sox seem to be the black hole for CS%
The vast majority of catchers who have come to the RS as of 2003 had much better CS% before they got here. And the ones that left mostly have much better CS% since they left. And for most guys, I’m talking about pretty dramatic swings, not just a percent or two.
Look it up: pre-2003 Varitek vs post-2003 Varitek, V-Mart, Mirabelli, Cash, Josh Bard, Javy Lopez, Koteras. Whether they had just spot duty with us or extended, young or old, all seemed to have their CS% take a dive with us.
Salty is one of the few exceptions – his current CS% (26) is actually UP compared to his career mark (21) – but its still down from his minor-league numbers.
So I don’t know if I’d expect Lucroy’s number there to hold up any better under the RS ‘system’.
For what it’s worth, the current Red Sox CS% of 26% is relatively good for us compared to recent years. Its still early, though. If it holds up I suppose we might consider whether changes in philosophy coming from the new pitching coach might be in effect?
"We will take it easy, and walk on down our road at our pace with our focus ahead, and your focus on us." - Warrior Spirit, on what Celtics' Ubuntu is.
Yeah, I think this has to do with how the Sox see the value of a stolen base.
I think our pitchers are, in general, told to focus on the hitter. We don’t hold runners on very well, and despite a few guys having a great pick off move (Papelbon’s move in Game 2 of the 2007 World Series was one of my favorites of all time), you just rarely see them.
So… I think you’ve got a good point here. Cannot just be the defense of the catchers, based on the samples you’ve provided above.
Anything is better than Cumin,
but I am not a fan of Lucroy. I guess I don’t want another unproven guy. While Cumin blows, I would rather have a David Ross or Jose Molina, a proven veteran who may not be spectacular, but will provide a one or two year stopgap. If we get someone, odds are Cumin will be DFA’d or optioned if he has one, and will stay in AAA. He has looked quite turrible, but perhaps a half a season with low pressure in AAA could help him find a comfort zone. If he figures it out, then we have a future C. If not, well, there’s still Expo and Lavarnway, neither look like they have a confirmed future at C, but only time will tell. Even at worst case, we can make a splash in the FA market and get a solid C.
Bottom line, we need something, and we have assets, but I would prefer a 1 or 2 (ideally 2) year commitment who has at least proven he can be a competent starting C.
Dear Theo, please trade Crawford, Salty, Lackey, and Jacoby for nothing.
Anyone stupid enough to take those contracts can have them.
Sorry for the novel
Dear Theo, please trade Crawford, Salty, Lackey, and Jacoby for nothing.
Anyone stupid enough to take those contracts can have them.
While I would also prefer something proven
I would totally settle for a .320 OBP and a 31% CS rate out of my catcher’s spot, anything from there is gravy, and it looks like Lucroy can provide that.
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by TheLoneDavid on Apr 25, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I would settle with a .250 OBP
but I just really feel that we need a proven C. If a guy is proven, he will be competent defensively and throwing out runners, and he should call a decent game. Taking out the options of SOTO and Montero, (I just don’t think that we will give up enough to get them) that leaves Jose Molina, Ivan Rodriguez, Ramon Castro, and David Ross as guys I would be happy to trade for.
Dear Theo, please trade Crawford, Salty, Lackey, and Jacoby for nothing.
Anyone stupid enough to take those contracts can have them.
It looked like Salty could provide very close to that exactly
His career OBP is .313 (including this season) and he’s thrown out 27% of attempted thieves. That’s a decent sample size of nearly 1000 PAs and 1700 innings caught.
Lucroy has a very real chance of being nothing more than Salty 2.0. If we go in the direction of a new catcher (and if you read my epic in the post-game thread you’ll understand I don’t think the time is now) we HAVE to go for someone who is proven at the position. The unproven but with potential route hasn’t worked out to our liking, why should we go the same way and expect different results? I think that if we go out and trade for someone, it needs to be ‘the guy’ the sort of player who will be our catcher for years to come, our next Varitek. I really don’t think any of the guys we have will be that guy. If Lavarnway could improve his defense enough to be satisfactory I think he will be the only one to stick in the major leagues, the other guys just don’t impress me a whole lot. It’s something that will have to be addressed sooner or later by the team, let’s go all out and get our catcher for the next decade. Give up what it takes, our system can handle it. Go get Soto, Iannetta or Montero or whoever, but let’s go get him instead of another stop gap, Lucroy is nothing but another high risk stop gap at the position.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
If he turns out to be Salty 2.0
at least he’s Salty 2.0 with options. However, he has better defense and a decent bat. He could very well be the next Varitek, because I gotta tell you, I don’t think Lavarnway is going to stick at catcher.
If the Sox can get Soto or Montero that’s fantastic, if not, then this is an option who can block pitches and throw back to the mound and to second base, something Salty, career averages or not, has not shown the ability to do since his injury. He’s not going to Cash us, but he also isn’t going to be a Joe Mauer, what he’s proven so far in the majors is that he can hit like an average major league catcher, while providing a slightly above average defense.
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by TheLoneDavid on Apr 25, 2011 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Certainly Salty
may not find his stuff over the next few months, but he emphatically does have the tools and he may. My money is on that outcome and am having a hard time believing that this intelligent site has written him off in early April. He has struggled more or less 15 of the 25-man roster, he has caught a number of good games and wins and has had several key hits… And is in fact hitting better than several other struggling players. Salty deserves more support than he has gotten here.
by GerryT on Apr 25, 2011 3:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think some of the disdain is also elevated due to the performance of Martin
I think Martin’s performance for many on this site is driving up the impatience on Salty. i vaguely remember when Pedey started and struggled for two months and many fans wanted him gone. I am not saying that Salty = Pedey. I do think that Salty will get through the month of May. Also, based upon the lineup they do not expect him to be a killer – he just needs to make contact and provide decent defense.
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I don't care about Martin.
I loved Martin when he was on my fantasy team back in his Dodger days, and without the kinee injury, maybe he’d have looked like a good fit for us. However, I do think the logic out there – that Salty had never been given time to develop as the regular starter – was why Theo didn’t want to have an option in the wings. He believed Salty could succeed if given the chance.
All I care about is an inability to block basic wild pitches, and allowing a passed ball to roll all the way to the backstop and being unable to find it. His throws to second base are atrocious (with the possible exception being the one where he drilled Aybar in the ass, just because it was funny). Maybe I’m overreacting to one particularly brutal inning (and beginning to pile on a bit – after all, the bunt yesterday probably couldn’t have been turned into an out even if he hadn’t dropped the ball when he picked it up), but he’s so frustrating.
As was said elsewhere, Pedroia had a history of success at other levels, and was successful in the Majors in a lot less time than Salty has already been given.
I’ll concede that Rogue is probably right (here and on the post game thread) that going out to get a catcher at this point is going to cost us significant prospects, so I suppose it’s worth riding Salty out a bit longer. I am very frustrated.
"ll I care about is an inability to block basic wild pitches, and allowing a passed ball "
Hmm….
The Red Sox as a team have 7 wild pitches (of which 5 are on Salty’s watch). That ties them for 5th fewest in the AL.
The Red Sox have 3 passed balls (2 of them Salty) which unfortunately is tied for 1st most with 4 other teams. But that’s pretty small stats.
Overall, the combination of 10 total WP+PB events is not really bad compared to the rest of the AL at this point. League average is 9. It is still very early in the season, of course.
I know that the ball that Salty lost track of was pretty egregious. But it was a singular event. All players make mistakes and in this case it did not cost us the game. One should be careful not to give it too much weight.
On his throws, I haven’t seen enough live to offer a full opinion (I’ve listened to most games this year on the radio). Overall, our CS% is 26% which is just below AL avg 28%. Not great. But ‘traditionally’ the Red Sox have been way below league average in recent years.
I don’t like to be put in the position of defending Salty. He could still end up sucking completely. I am just siding so far with those who advocate patience, is all.
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I agree Rogue
I remember Salty being billed as a decent defender with a serviceable bat. The idea being that Tek could help mold him into a good game caller, he’d have the arm to hold runners (that was the risky part, coming off shoulder surgery) and we’d just bury his bat in the bottom of the order.
Personally, I’m not worried about his offense. I think the lineup should be strong enough, and someone has to hit ninth. And I remain optimistic about his presence behind the plate. Hopefully he’ll settle in and hold it down, at least for this year so Theo doesn’t have to make any panic moves for another mediocre player.
You know as bad as Salty has been
I’m not sure that Lucroy is really an improvement. I think this would just end up being equally disappointing. I’d rather they stick with Salty until someone who’s definitely an improvement shows up.
Exactly, a clear upgrade for Salty is not feasible
You would have to give up something valuable to get it.
Now, I don’t consider Navarro to be valuable. I would put him in the David Murphy category, good player who could play somewhere, but isn’t likely to see significant time in Boston due to talent in the system above him or the franchises ability to upgrade the position through acquisitions. The value of a guy like Navarro, or Murphy for that matter, is that they are valuable to a dozen franchises in the majors.
This whole Salty Saga has really opened my eyes to how bad the catching situation is for every team.
Yes,agreed and here is the root cause of the problem:
This whole Salty Saga has really opened my eyes to how bad the catching situation is for every team.
At least, the Sox are trying to develop catchers within their farm system. I also think with the Post-PED era of baseball, solid defense at catcher and SS will more and more be the norm – good defense will be valued over a big bat at those two positions. So,unless Bengie Molina is aviable option for 2011 or we pay the piper in a big trade then we are in a difficult position…no pun intended
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
I doubt they would do it
Lucroy basically skipped AAA because of injuries on the team last season. True or not, that’s cited as the reason for his not hitting well along with the challenge of being the lead catcher in the majors. He hit well in the minors and looks good so far this season. His defense is good as well.
Yuni hasn’t been bad as advertised either.
Wow, Salty himself.
Hey man… don’t take the criticism too hard. We’re 9-1 in our last 10, and you’re contributing. So go out there and keep proving us wrong this week against the Orioles!
Or, y'know
start proving us wrong.
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by TheLoneDavid on Apr 25, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, on the off chance it was really him...
… I was giving credit for a few recent swings (he hit a double the other night, right, and nearly hurt himself at second base) and the great job calling the game yesterday (per Lackey).
However… you are correct, sir.
But if we are looking, I came up with some more names, some unproven, some proven
Gerald Laird, his bat will still be a black hole in this lineup, only occasionally does he post an OBP above .300, however he does throw out 38% of runners.
Henry Blanco, another defensive guy, with limited PAs this year his bat has done nothing at all, but last year he did throw out 50% of runners.
Lou Marson, an unproven guy sitting behind Santana in CLE, tossed out 33% of runners during his 7 year long minor league career, did show decent on base ability against age appropriate competition during that career, no pop though.
Hank Conger, we just faced him and he’s a young guy with a team that doesn’t have a clear catcher situation, which would make him harder to acquire. He’s more on the offensive side of the spectrum. Has some good pop to his bat as well as a .360 career OBP in the minors. Only tosses out around a quarter of runners however.
Ryan Hannigan, 0 pop, but .374 career OBP through 700 PAs and has tossed out 34% of runners with the Reds.
Brian Schneider, he’s old but still posted a .729 OPS last season and his CS% numbers have decreased lately from his prime when well, you just didn’t run on Brian, but he’s a veteran who knows how to throw guys out.
Josh Thole, another no pop, high OBP guy who threw out 24% of minor league runners, but has managed to toss out 33% over three seasons with the Mets while getting on base at a .340 clip.
Finally, my personal favorite of these guys, Landon Powell, sitting behind Suzuki he could be available, in the minors, he tossed out 47% of runners, in the pros, 42%, kid can catch a guy. Showed a lot of pop during his minor league career, he didn’t move too swiftly through the system but he also posted a .350 OBP or better on average at every level. The downside on him is that, like Salty, his offense hasn’t translated to the majors, however, his defense has.
Looking at all of these guys, there isn’t a large difference between them and say Mark Wagner, like I said above, unless we trade for a star, we’re screwed at catcher no matter what. These guys may provide temporary relief, but none of them is the long term answer we need at the position.
Also, Lavarnway tossing out 44% of runners so far this season.
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Im liking Blanco and Hannigan
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by Dustin's #1 Fan on Apr 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fram a Braves' fan perspective regarding Ross and Salty...NOT a TROLL!
First off, let me say congrats to you guys for the 8-2 record you support over the last 10 games. I think it’s safe to say that both of our records leave little to be desired, but I’m sure it will work out in the end.
On Ross: To say he’s a "clubhouse guy" would be a bit of an understatement. David Ross is THE clubhouse guy. Anytime during the course of the season that someone gets called out for doing something ridiculous, it’s Ross that does the calling out. On the flipside, if there are any practical jokes going on in the clubhouse, Ross also spearheads those (Nate McLouth’s walkoff HR last year; Nate arrived at homeplate, the entire dugout was empty and already in the clubhouse…Ross) . He’s the guy that keeps it loose when it needs to be loose and busts ass when he needs to do that as well. In Spring, Freddie Freeman made a mental blunder that basically cost the Braves the game. Ross went up to him after the game and said very subtly, "You cost us the game". The clubhouse rolled with laughter catching the irony of Ross’ seriousness during a Spring Training baseball game, but the point was made.
For whatver reason, Ross could have a starting gig elsewhere in the Majors and make a lot more money than his current 2/3.25 million dollar deal, but he doesn’t. The Braves know this and that makes Ross almost untradeable.
So, with this being said, the price for Ross would be a ridiculous overbuy. We’re talking Lowrie or Ellsbury, and we know that’s not going to happen (which, by the way, over at the Braves’ site we all love Jed Lowrie so if you can put a kind word into Epstein’s ear this next offseason to look our way if Lowrie isn’t in the organizational plans, it would be appreciated). We over at the Braves’ site would much rather you take a look at some of our starting pitching. Derek Lowe? Jair Jurrjens?
Lastly…On Salty: So what is the general consensus on Salty? Are you guys fed up with him? Still practicing patience? I will say this about Salty: When both McCann and Salty were coming up through the Braves’ organization, Salty was always the better prospect (topping out at #18 according to Baseball America while McCann topped out at #44), but one thing the Braves organization must have noticed was the ability McCann had to call a better game than Salty. Virtually, McCann and Salty caught the same pitchers (their development was only about 6 mos. difference), but McCann was more dedicated to the art of catching and Salty didn’t work as hard to maximize his talent, and this showed in 2 areas:
1. CS%
2. CERA (catcher’s earned run average)
Salty was always the guy with all of the tools, yet for whatever reason (and I was told it was work ethic) they never came together. He supposedly had a "cannon arm" that far surpassed McCann’s, yet McCann’s CS% in the minors was higher than Salty’s.
Also, I don’t know how much I believe in CERA, especially if the game is being called from the dugout, but I will say this: Salty’s CERA in the minors was a FULL RUN more than McCann’s. It’s hard to deny that such a difference wasn’t noticed by someone.
Anyway, good luck on the season. I’ve always considered Boston my "2nd team" due in large part to the Braves previously affiliated with the city of Boston. Take care.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
No need to worry, this is not a ban happy community, we have many Yankees contributors here (yes gentlemen, you are our symbol of tolerance).
First with the easy one, there is no general consensus on Salty. There is a poll part way down the front page on the right side about it, it’s 50/50. I’m willing to give him time, I think the rest of the team is good enough that we can afford some of his mistakes, the 2 base passed ball the other night is a great example of that. If say, by the end of June, he still hasn’t picked up his play, we should figure out how to replace him. There is another side that believes we should get rid of him ASAP and are just sick of him. I don’t buy CERA much at all, especially in the minors where the focus is largely on development and promotion, there isn’t much time to build a rapport with the pitchers along the way.
As for Ross, I think your expectations are quite high in terms of return. He’s a backup catcher who has all of 15 PAs this year who plays in roughly 1/3 of games for you guys over his time in Atlanta. Put it this way, in most situations, Lowrie and Ellsbury together with maybe a good pitching prospect would probably be enough to get McCann. Young players with a ton of potential get you lot in return. Individually, they aren’t even in the conversation for a backup catcher. We’d start at Navarro or Doubront and work from there. If the cost is actually Lowrie or Ellsbury, well. You can enjoy your backup catcher once a week because that is a deal that will never be done.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
"You can enjoy your backup catcher once a week because that is a deal that will never be done."
This was my point. I think the Braves overvalue Ross probably more than any other player on the team. The price is ridiculous, but it’s just my guesstimation of what the Braves would ask.
Just Beachy here. How 'bout you?
Allow me to say this
if Lowrie is in Atlanta next year, Henry will seriously be rethinking Theo’s job security. Unless we got McCann in return.
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by TheLoneDavid on Apr 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No split polls on Lowrie on this site,
pure concensus. BTW, the value OTM has placed on the Jedi over the past year has spread even to mainstream media and talking heads. Comcast even came up with a stat combining his 2011 #’s with those of his 2010 off the DL, and they make him one of the best hitters in the league, and the best hitting SS by far.
I voted in favor of letting Salty finally develop his MLB skills under Tek’s mentorship, as originally planned by the FO. Certainly any lack of effort and focus are in the past. At age 25 he seems to be maturing nicely, has caught some good games for the Sox, and is getting some key hits. IMO the position is his to lose, but we best remain neutral and not contribute to the problem with negative bashing while he works at it.
agreed
Overall, Salty will be fine at the plate, not spectacular, but if he can hit .260 and cut down the strikeouts I’ll be happy. As for calling a good game, I think he will mature a great deal over the course of the season. Many of us forget he is only 25 (I may be speaking only for myself because I saw his debut with the Braves several years ago), but he will make strides after he has more time getting used to the Boston pitching staff and vice versa (although as a professional, it’s a bit sorry that we expect him to get significantly better over the couse of a major league season).
The only issue I have with Salty is that between him and Varitek, we don’t have a single catcher that can consistantly throw baserunners out. With some teams, this won’t be too much of an issue, but when facing teams with speed (A’s, Rays, etc) they will have a field day, much like the Rays did last season. Without a catcher that can stop the run, we are putting significantly more pressure on our pitching staff, as well as the lineup.
The Salty signing, to me, was an offensive signing that still has a good amount of potential upside. With the lineup we have now, the catcher has more value preventing runs than helping to score them. As Salty stands now, he isn’t in a position to do this because it’s not the type of player he is. Varitek is great, he is a great mentor, a great game caller, he’s the captain. Tek’s only great asset other than mentoring other players is his game calling ability though, not his bat, not his arm, and I’m not sure that will be enough over the course of the year. The Red Sox could find value in trading for a cather for a reasonable price.
You beat me to it...
I got access to this site so I could comment on a previous thread about the Sox’s desire for Rossy.
I have been a reader for a few months but I think Talking Chop knows my stance on your young Lowrie.
I have been watching that kid for a few years now and I am so stoked about his progress. Amazing player. Recovered VERY well from his injury and I think the Sox have to rethink their stance on the future of their SS position. Iglesias has plenty of time to mature now and when he is ready, you could always put Youk out to pasture and move Lowrie over to 3B. Doubt y’all move Pedroia or A-Gonz…
Regardless, y’all have an AWESOME problem on your hand. I just wish your FO would open up talks with our FO and see what it would realistically take to get Lowrie.
My guess would be Salty and Lowrie for Ross, Minor (or Beachy), and another AA type (top 20)player.
Looking forward to contributing to this great site. Definitely an educational spot for a great team!
by Klemson Krash on Apr 28, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
That might be a starting Braves offer
But I would be really, really surprised to see the Red Sox even consider that.
- They are high on Lowrie at the moment due to him being able to back up the four other infield spots and also being one of the top hitters in the American League since last year’s All Star break.
- Infield Depth: Scutaro can play 3 of 4 positions but they don’t have any other real IF depth at the moment. They don’t have the depth in the IF to trade a way a young, cheap player who is currently on fire who can play every infield position and probably find a way to play OF if they needed him to. Iglesias is not ready for the Majors, and the few others who could come up haven’t had any real MLB experience.
- While Salty is struggling, he is only in his mid-20s and Theo is really high on him. I don’t see him trading a guy that age who he views as a possible starting Catcher for a 34 year old rental who has only had 250 ABs more than once. They need a guy they can count on to play 3 or 4 out of 5 games. Having two guys 34+, one of whom is a back-up now and one who always has been is a downgrade in my opinion.
-And yes, I know Atlanta values Ross higher than most back-ups but his gamecalling isn’t guaranteed with an entirely new pitching staff. Some of whom have had much different results with different catchers (Buchholz does better without Varitek, Beckett seems to do better with him, etc.) and some who may be hard to communicate with (Dice-K)
-I understand Minor and Beachy are good young starters and front offices love pitching, but the Red Sox don’t really have an opening for at least a year or two so I don’t see them looking for a package that is centered around one. Lester is going nowhere, Buchholz just signed a new contract, Beckett and Lackey are too expensive for a few more years and Dice-K has a full no-trade clause. Behind those guys they have Wake for this year, and Doubront, possibly Aceves in the future if they get in a pinch.
They are high on Lowrie for obvious reasons and even Salty. The front office will inquire and keep an eye out for who is available for catchers, but they aren’t going to panic quite like some of the fanbase will. If Lowrie is involved in any deal, it will take more than that to get him.
by The Name is Dalton on Apr 28, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Also Welcome
Always good to have baseball fans from other teams who are able to have good baseball discussions on the internet.
by The Name is Dalton on Apr 28, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed!
and in response to Klemson Krash, even if Lowrie was available (which he’s not), a more likely trade would be Lowrie for Ross and Mycal Jones (or someone similar). Although the Red Sox would then be left with 1 too many catchers. If the Sox did trade for Ross though, realistically some modest package including Navarro or Middlebrooks would fit nicely in the Braves organization.
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