Plan B: A Look at the 2011 Red Sox Backups
Spring Training has begun. The long, cold, baseball-less, winter is melting away and there is no shortage of stories. We have prospects playing with the big boys. We have superstars recovering from injury and taking their first cuts post-rehab. Yet, for the 2011 Boston Red Sox, one thing that we do not have is an exciting positional battle*. When you have the second or third highest payroll in the game, you tend to know who is going to get each positional spot, each rotation spot and each bullpen role.
*Ok, so a few players are completing for the LOOGY role, but does anyone find that battle exciting?
Barring injury, we all know who will get the playing time on this team. That qualifier can matter quite bit, though. The 2010 Red Sox were proof of that. Even beyond injuries, it is always important to have good bench players. 162 games can wear guys down. Regular players will need a rest here and there. Theo and
First up, the Position Players
2011 Marcel Projections (via Fangraphs)
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Name |
PA |
R |
HR |
RBI |
SB |
AVG |
OBP |
|
wOBA |
|
Ryan Kalish |
290 |
39 |
7 |
36 |
10 |
0.269 |
0.333 |
0.427 |
0.338 |
|
Jed Lowrie |
306 |
37 |
8 |
39 |
3 |
0.258 |
0.338 |
0.427 |
0.336 |
|
Aaron Bates |
201 |
24 |
5 |
23 |
3 |
0.268 |
0.34 |
0.419 |
0.335 |
|
Darnell McDonald |
393 |
43 |
9 |
38 |
8 |
0.262 |
0.326 |
0.41 |
0.329 |
|
Lars Anderson |
222 |
26 |
5 |
25 |
3 |
0.262 |
0.339 |
0.4 |
0.328 |
|
Daniel Nava |
294 |
35 |
5 |
36 |
3 |
0.257 |
0.345 |
0.389 |
0.326 |
|
Mike Cameron |
353 |
42 |
12 |
38 |
6 |
0.24 |
0.321 |
0.417 |
0.326 |
|
Brent Dlugach |
200 |
24 |
5 |
22 |
3 |
0.257 |
0.327 |
0.402 |
0.323 |
|
Drew Sutton |
229 |
27 |
6 |
28 |
3 |
0.255 |
0.326 |
0.402 |
0.32 |
|
Yamaico Navarro |
223 |
26 |
5 |
26 |
3 |
0.251 |
0.315 |
0.382 |
0.307 |
|
Josh Reddick |
238 |
26 |
6 |
24 |
3 |
0.243 |
0.3 |
0.39 |
0.304 |
|
Jason Varitek |
304 |
29 |
9 |
32 |
1 |
0.216 |
0.299 |
0.368 |
0.294 |
These twelve players are the most likely backup position players currently with the Red Sox in
Their strategy here is fairly simple. You have a few declining veteran players (Cameron, Varitek, McDonald) mixed with young players who are just getting acclimated to the majors (Kalish, Lowrie, Anderson, Reddick, Navarro) and a few players near their prime who have been overlooked or discarded (Bates, Sutton, Nava). The young players are not great yet, but likely will be soon. The old players are not what they once were, but still capable of playing in the show, and the others are role players, limited in their abilities, but still very useful as part time players.
Looking at these projections, the first thing that stands out to me is that the plate appearances for JedI are too low. While Scutaro may be the nominal starting shortstop, he will certainly have to share time there to some degree. In addition, Lowrie will see time at third spelling Youk, at second whenever Tito can stand to rest Pedroia, and even at DH, should Ortiz struggle against lefties. I think that means at least 400 plate appearances and I would not be surprised to see him exceed that. On the flip side, I think that Darnell McDonald will struggle to reach 300 plate appearances next season as a healthy Mike Cameron will get the majority of fourth outfielder work.
Aside from plate appearances, there are several other interesting numbers in these projections. I assume that the very bullish projection for Aaron Bates is a quirk in the system. Bates is a useful player and put up average-ish numbers in
The projections for Jed Lowrie are fairly conservative, but they still have him out performing Marco Scutaro (and Jeter for that matter, but I digress…). I think Lowrie will outperform the .258/.338/.427 line shown above, but even if he merely duplicates that line, it will put pressure on Terry Francona to play him at short as often as he can.
Ryan Kalish endeared himself to both Red Sox fans and the front office last season, filling in when every outfielder not named J.D. Drew was on the DL. It appears he also endeared himself to Marcel. Not only does he have the highest wOBA of any bench player in the projections, but they also have him hitting seven home runs and stealing 10 bases in just 290 plate appearances. Over a full season, that would mean around 16 home runs and 22 stolen bases. Like Lowrie, Kalish is going to be a key player to the Red Sox in the coming years. He may not be quite ready to take playing time from Mike Cameron or Jacoby Ellsbury now, but I would not be that surprised if he claimed his spot as our starting center fielder before the year ends. He is an excellent all around player and the team is fortunate that they do not have rush him to the majors.
Mike Cameron’s projection seems just about prefect. I think he gets a fair number of at bats platooning with Drew and taking some time from Ellsbury in center. He has always been a high strikeout guy with plus power, so his 12 home runs and .240 batting average look spot on. However, both he and Jason Varitek will be primarily used against lefties and that could give them both a boost.
Overall, the bench is impressive. There are a few guys here who could rival starters on the weaker teams, but the group as a whole is excellent insurance. Beyond the quality at bats we can expect from players like Lowrie, Cameron and Kalish, this group can also play solid defense. While we all hope that most of these players see very little time, we can be a little more at peace knowing even our reverses would make an above average team.
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Kalish PAs seems high...
… while I went into the offseason hoping Kalish was our starting CF by the All-Star Break, I don’t really see the need for us to rush him up. We’ve got a solid starting three, with Cameron and McDonald backing them up. Barring a big injury, I would think that Kalish ends up as a September call up…
… of course, we could see a repeat of the spark that Ellsbury offered us in 2007 as a result of a September call up, and certainly could have that CF role locked up heading into 2012 as a result – though, maybe he ends up in RF unless Ellsbury is traded and/or Reddick blossoms as well.
However, the overall point… yes, what a great, deep bench we have. Let’s just hope we don’t use them as much as we needed to in 2010.
Clarification...
I expected Kalish in CF by the All-Star Break before we added Crawford to the team… now, I want him to get the seasoning in AAA, and be a September call up instead.
Agreed-
though I think he is the type of player who could be to good to ignore at AAA and take the job sooner if Ellsbury struggles.
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Or if Ellsbury is traded.
Otherwise, Kalish is only coming up if one of the LOFs (Lefty OutFielders) gets injured.
Same with Reddick.
With Drew retiring and Ellsbury a strong trade candidate, there is definitely potential room for these guys down the road, though. I hope they both continue to develop.
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Ellsbury a "strong" trade candidate?
why would a contending team trade its starting CF and leadoff hitter? What could they possibly need that would warrant this type of move? Even if Ellsbury has a good year and Kalish/Reddick continue to develop, it is more likely one of the rookies gets traded as most trades now seem to be between condenders moving minor league prospects and non-arb players to rebuilding teams looking to move a player they can’t afford, see the Adrian Gozalez trade as a prime example.
No, it is more likely the Sox go with the proven player and let Kalish or Reddick fill Drew’s RF spot in 2012.
Because that starting CF
is bad at defense and has an OBP too low to be the leadoff hitter.
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if those things are completely true
he is not a strong trade candidate because he’s not useful.
Plus, I don’t know what kind of metrics the Sox use to judge minor league players, but lets remember that before Ells came up his defense was much-heralded and much-awarded. So as people that can’t possibly watch all 162 of Kalish and Reddick’s games, how convinced are we that they’re both better defenders? Probably neither of those guys projects as getting a higher OBP than Ells’ .350-.360 (definitely not Reddick, Kalish is probably around the same vicinity), but that fact that Ells is frequently used in leadoff doesn’t make him a worse player necessarily.
So basically the question is, exactly how good of a year does Reddick have to have before he is worth throwing away a relatively known quantity (who’s career UZR of 15.1 is not nearly as bad as everyone would suggest)?
To be fair...
I love Ellsbury… his steal of home against Petitte was one of my favorite plays of the 2009 season. If it hadn’t been for Beltre’s knee, I think he’d have built on that in 2010.
However, after all the angst in 2010 about how he handled the injury, how he stayed away from the team, etc. I almost feel like it’s been ordained that the Sox FO is going to try to get the most value they can for him.
I do think, as Rogue Nine said below, that a lot of teams see more potential in Ellsbury than some of the posters in here do, and would be willing to give us something for him. The question is whether the FO thinks it’s enough to trade him.
I’m also encouraged by the idea below that maybe we haven’t seen enough of Ellsbury to know what UZR really means for him… I think he’s an exciting player to watch, even if he gets knocked for the SportsCenter highlight plays because they were the product of a “bad read” or first step…
Ideally, I’d like to see Ellsbury on the basepaths in a Sox uniform for years to come. I hope it happens.
I know it's become cliche to talk about Ellsbury's bad defense.
But we’re talking about a guy who has
a) not enough games for UZR to become really significant
b) a career 0 UZR/15 in CF and 23.2 UZR/150 in LF
Average defense in CF with an average to slightly above average bat is very valuable, especially when it’s cost-controlled. I don’t think Ellsbury’s a superstar, but given the information we have, he’s a very serviceable CF with some unrealized potential.
Because what Ellsbury is best at (stealing)
May still be an overvalued in the market. Of all of our players, if we were to trade them, I think Ellsbury might be the one to pull in more than he’s actually worth (prospects aside).
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Not expecting Ellsbury to struggle...
I’m anticipating a 2009 type campaign from him this year, allowing Kalish another year to mature before we need him on the club.
If Reddick’s (very SSS) patience at the plate so far follows him through the AAA season, then suddenly Jacoby becomes very, very expendable (with Kalish offering a lot of the same skill set and better defense – I think).
Of course, I like Ellsbury a lot, so I don’t mind him sticking around. Just see the potential with Crawford here for the long haul; and Kalish/Reddick developing, that the FO could see a nice return for Ellsbury as too good to pass up too.
(Speaking of projections… have I missed some? I feel like the last one I participated on was Salty… don’t we need to project Drew, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Scutaro/Lowrie?)
Marcel is useless for players without significant major league playing time.
It essentially just projects league average for every player who hasn’t played in the major leagues.
Used Marcel because CHONE is gone,
so I am not as familiar with it as that systems. Still, it projects Kalish, Bates, Lowrie or Anderson as significantly above average and all three lack significant playing time. Also Reddick and Navarro are projected well below average. I am not sure how it handles the MiLE issue, but it would be very wrong to project “league average for every player who hasn’t played in the major leagues,” since very few first year players are even average, let alone above average. I don’t see that happening here. Still, I would have preferred CHONE (stupid blogger-gets-hired-by MLB-team-syndrome!, Wait, what am I saying?!?)
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That's because Marcel is designed as the simplest possible projection system.
It’s not trying to be fancy. It trying to essentially provide replacement-level projection as a baseline for others to test against. It literally doesn’t even know about minor league data. All it uses is the past 3 years of major league data and the league mean.
“Actually, it is the most basic forecasting system you can have, that uses as little intelligence as possible. So, that’s the allusion to the monkey. It uses 3 years of MLB data, with the most recent data weighted heavier. It regresses towards the mean. And it has an age factor.”
“But, what about a player who’s never played MLB? Where’s his forecast?” That’s simple. His forecast is the league mean over 200 PA, 60 IP (starter) or 25 IP (reliever). If you want to know what the league mean is, just take the average of anyone forecast with a reliability of 0.00. So, Marcel’s official forecast for anyone coming over from Japan is that."
Ok, I follow-
that explains a few things, such as the horrible projection for Jeter (which I like). Still, I think that re-enforces my confidence in our bench. A more sophisticated system would be higher on Lowrie (like Bill James’s projection) and possibly Kalish.
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Even so-
I’ll be using Zips from now on.
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I wish we had an exciting positional battle...
*Cough*Lowrie/Scutaro*cough*
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+1
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Ha ha ha!
Wow… how did we overlook that one? I didn’t even think of it when reading the piece.
Is that because all of us think it’s Lowrie, despite Tito and others still saying Scutaro?
Yeah, I am going on the assumption that
there is nothing JedI can do to win the job in spring training or early in the season. I am actually fine with that so long as Lowrie gets close to the same PA’s while playing all over. However, if at the end of the year Scutaro has 600+ PA and Lowrie has 300, Tito has some ’xplaining to do.
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I think it's because we're resigned to Scutaro
even if it should be Lowrie
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Backups?
Why in the hell would we need ….
Oh. Oh, right.
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Mar 1, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions
Ouch...
This one got a chuckle out of me, but still a little too close to home too.
By the way, I think Bob is looking for you to contact him (email posted in the OTM Fantasy Baseball League #3)… I think the wait list has gotten to you, unless you joined up in the third league I’m running already…
Thanks!
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Mar 2, 2011 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like Lowrie as the best backup, hes good at what he does but hes no starter on these stacked Sox. Is it baseball season yet?
I for one would be excited to see Brett Farve in a Bills uniform next year
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+1
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by Mattsullivan on Mar 1, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not only should he be starting, but having him bat leadoff wouldn't be a bad idea.
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by TheLoneDavid on Mar 1, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Varitek?
I can see most of the projections on this one, but I think Varitek’s projection is a bit low. I don’t see him hitting just .216. He actually excelled in the backup role last year, and I see that carrying over more this year. I feel like he at least stays above .250 with perhaps 15 HRs. I also don’t see him stealing any bases.

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