Boston's Best Tools: Best Stuff
On the pitching side of the game, we have already looked at the best fastball, breaking ball, and control. In the final piece for the pitching side of this series, we put it all together and consider who has the best stuff. While I will throw out the usual chart and labor over the advanced statistics for the candidates over the next few hundred words, the answer here is pretty obvious. Jon Lester was my pick and our readers’ pick for best control, his curveball was my choice and our readers’ choice for best breaking ball and only Daniel Bard’s 97 mph heater topped Lester’s fastball. Simply put, Jon Lester has the best stuff on the 2011 Red Sox and that puts him pretty high on the list for best stuff worldwide.
Although Lester might be the easy choice for best stuff, the 2011 Red Sox have quite a few impressive arms. For analysis here, I am going to look at the three components of fielding independent pitching as rate stats and a few other key numbers that we have yet to look at in this series.
|
Name |
IP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
GB% |
HR/FB |
ERA |
FIP |
xFIP |
WAR |
|
Jon Lester |
621.2 |
8.72 |
3.08 |
49.40% |
8.80% |
3.29 |
3.31 |
3.51 |
17.1 |
|
Josh Beckett |
514.1 |
8.52 |
2.34 |
44.70% |
12.40% |
4.39 |
3.72 |
3.48 |
11.8 |
|
Clay Buchholz |
341.2 |
6.85 |
3.79 |
50.90% |
10.40% |
3.82 |
4.17 |
4.19 |
5.8 |
|
Jonathan Papelbon |
204.1 |
10.09 |
2.64 |
38.10% |
7.00% |
2.69 |
2.85 |
3.35 |
6.1 |
|
Daniel Bard |
124 |
10.09 |
3.77 |
46.00% |
9.80% |
2.61 |
3.38 |
3.46 |
2.3 |
The usual suspects top our list, which is organized by innings pitched. The data once again comes from 2008 to 2010. I have included WAR here and it is no surprise that Lester leads that metric. I don’t think it is really important to the debate over best stuff though, because it depends so heavily on innings pitched.
FIP and xFIP both love Jonathan Papelbon, though his 2010 numbers are not nearly as good as the 2008-2009 ones. Jon Lester has the 2nd best FIP, but ranks fourth in xFIP. I think this very interesting as xFIP "normalizes" home run per fly ball rates to the league average (usually around 10%). Lester may have had some luck on home runs, but any regression there will be minor. He has been slightly better than the league at keeping fly balls in the yard for his entire career. On the other side, Josh Beckett is the only pitcher here who has a better xFIP than his FIP. Any Red Sox fan can tell you Beckett struggles with the long ball, but if xFIP is right, that might just be bad luck. A return to just 10% HR/FB would help the hard throwing righty out tremendously. Clay Buchholz made great strides in 2010, with a FIP a half run better than his pervious numbers. Unfortunately his xFIP was 4.20, almost exactly what we see here. In order to repeat his excellent 2010 season, Buchholz needs to up his strike out rate, which is easily the lowest here.
Daniel Bard’s HR/FB rate is almost exactly league average, so we shouldn’t expect much regression there. For a pitcher with that kind of explosive fastball his 46 % ground ball rate is a great asset to him. Jonthan Papelbon is a different story. His 2010 season saw a touch of regression in home runs per fly ball after he has posted phenomenal rates in every year prior. In 2010, 9.1% of his fly balls left the park, a huge jump from his career rate of just 6.9%. If this continues, Papelbon will not be the same pitcher we have come to know. His GB% is disturbingly low and that means he can not keep his FIP and ERA so low without keeping a high percentage of those fly balls in the park.
While many experts have called out Clay Buchholz as a prime candidate to regress in 2011, one thing that Clay does have going for him is his excellent ground ball percentage. He leads the team with his excellent 50.9% rate here. Lester comes in a close second and actually had a better rate in 2010. If any one needed further proof that Jon Lester is one of the game’s best pitchers, that is it. Pitchers with high strikeout rates tend toward high fly ball rates, like Papelbon does. Maintaining a GB% in the low to mid forties like Beckett and Bard is great, but with a GB% over 50%, Lester enters a rare breed of pitchers who strike out a high number while keeping the ball on the ground. In 2010 only four pitchers managed a GB% over 50 and a K/9 rate over 8; the other three were Adam Wainwright, Felix Hernandez, and Francisco Liriano (
The table above should be a huge source of optimism for Sox fans in 2011. Beyond having one of the game’s best pitchers in Jon Lester, the Red Sox have two of the best relievers in baseball and two other starters who would qualify as the staff ace for the majority of major league teams. In addition, the 2010 defense was a major liability to the Sox pitchers, particularly in the outfield. With ace glove man Carl Crawford in left and the healthy return of Ellsbury and Cameron, the 2011 Red Sox should keep the other teams from scoring at every turn.
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When using 3+ year samples
at least for starting pitchers (500+ IP samples), FIP is usually a better metric than xFIP. Reason is that xFIP regresses HR/FB% all the way to league average, even though we know that it is indeed a pitcher skill, just a very variable one. Good 3-year samples usually take care of this problem.
As long as the staff and starting position players stay healthy
or at least healthier than last year, I see this staff being tops in the majors. What has been of issue, at least in the mind of most of the staff, Bucholz and Lester excepted, was the poor defensive play up the middle, in the OF and at first for good portions of last year ad the left side to the wall and center in 2008-9. While the poor range and increased range of the cobbled together defense probably yielded under 20 runs, it did have to have a major effect on the psychology of pitchers like Beckett and Papelbon with a perceived need to pitch harder, keep more pitches outside the zone and get that one solid strike called.
Since both of these pitchers are fastball pitchers this had to have added base runners in the form of walks and an increased HR rate from missing when behind in the count. For Lackey, the mediocre defense had to have been culture shock, coming from a defensively strong Angels team the year before. While there is no statistic to prove my point, it is interesting to note that both Paps and Beckett had a tendency to meltdown after giving up a baserunner that should have been an out in the field, I didn’t get to see Lackey pitch so I can’t really say with regard to him, I think we are talking another 10-20 runs given up through lack of confidence in the D.Given the confidence in the defense behind them this year’s staff should have in this defensive squad, I think we should we should see not only less hits, but BB, HBP and ultimately less home runs.
I happen to feel it will cut at least 1 run from all of the starter’s ERA and allow Paps to get that Contract season he will be looking for.
This would be good enough for another 6-12 games when the offense begins clicking.
Top in majors?
I think you are forgetting the Phillies.
I love Lester, Pedroia, and Gonzo!!! ITS MAN LOVE!
The Phillies...
The Phillies are good, no question about it. But I do think their numbers are inflated a bit pitching against the weak NL teams. Oswalt and Hamels are great pitchers, Halladay is probably the second best, and Lee is known as a beast. But Lee got knocked around a bit in his Texas stint, and the Sox have always handled Halladay decently (I think his career ERA versus them is something like 4.4). Put Hamels and Oswalt making a fair number of starts against the AL East and I think they’d lose some luster.
Conversely, Lester, Buchh, and even Lackey and Beckett would fry the Nationals, Mets, NL central, most of the NL west, etc…
You play vs. who you have on the schedule.
Phillies are better than the Sox rotation.
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Lee and Halladay pitched well in the AL.
I’d take them over Lester and Beckett at the top of my rotation.
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At this point
Lester and Buchholz are the top two for the Sox. Would I take Lee and Halladay over them? I would as a pair, but I would not Lee or Halladay over Lester.
I'd take Halladay and Lee RIGHT NOW.
Not trying to be annoying by typing in caps just emphasizing. Lee and Halladay were the probably two of the top 3 pitchers in the league. Felix is thrown in somewhere around there. As for the next 5-10 seasons I’d take Lester because he’s younger.
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Well, ok, right now
Lester is entering his age 27 season having last year posted a career low WHIP (1.2) H/9 (7.2) and second best by a hair in K/9 (9.7). His XFIP was virtually identical to his ERA at 3.29 to 3.25.
Cliff Lee, who is entering his age 32 season, posted a mind-boggling 1.0 WHIP, 10.28 K/9. His H/9 was 8.3, but of course his BB/9 saved it by being something like .63/9(!!!). His XFIP, too, more or less matched his ERA.
Roy Halladay, the reigning NL Cy Young, had an otherworldly age 33 season. An incredibly 1.04 WHIP, a very good 7.9 K/9, and an outstanding 1.1 BB/9 (!). Both Lee and Halladay can clearly lay it in there without fear! However, Halladay’s H/9 was identical to Lee’s, at 8.3. His XFIP was 2.92, compared to his actual 2.44 ERA, not that either is anything less than great.
So then, Halladay and Lee look better than Lester, right? Well, as I said before, in their respective climates they sure are. Yet you’re asking me to choose who I want pitching on the Red Sox in 2011, and I have to say Lester. He has thrived in the AL East, he kept his H/9 way lower than the others despite a normal BABIP, and he will be the youngest of the three, Halladay and Lee being on the wrong side of 30. I do not doubt that either would be stellar, but I would keep Lester for the 2011 season.
Lee's K/9
was actually 7.84 not 10.28. Only Tim Lincecum had a higher K/9 rate than Lester did last year. Lee’s really standout skill is his control, he isn’t in Lester’s league when it comes to strikeouts. Halladay is the second best pitcher in baseball, but Lester still compares very well to him. In 2011 the three of them are very close. really
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by Mattsullivan on Feb 6, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree with Sologub here...
C’mon, as a Yankees fan you have to know that success in the NL East is not the same as success in the AL East.
I know Halladay did it for years with the Blue Jays, but as pointed out above, he was less successful against the Red Sox line up (and I would imagine a similar trend against the Yankees). I believe we crushed him in an interleague game in 2010, right? For me, that’s why I’d rather have Lester than Lee or Halladay in the Sox rotation in 2011.
Of course, if you’re talking about swapping Lester & Beckett for Lee & Halladay, I’d have to do that. Lester/Buchholz for Lee/Halladay? That’s tempting too… but Lester for Lee or Halladay? No thanks… even if you’d give me Lester back for 2012.
Lester has done very well the past three seasons in the AL East, and I’ll take him again in 2011.
Now… if you want me to wager on who will put up the better “numbers” in 2011, I’ll definitely take Lee/Halladay pitching in the NL East over Lester/Buchholz (or Beckett) going in the AL East. Just not convinced that either would duplicate the success they’ll have in 2011 if they were pitching in the Sox rotation.
Not to worry, though. We should get a chance to see how the Phillies rotation stacks up head to head with the Sox come October.
What about the effect of facing pitchers?
You can’t deny that being able to face a bunch of pitchers affects all of a pitcher’s stats, including WHIP. An NL pitcher can’t really be compared to an AL pitcher apples-to-apples. That’s part of the reason they have separate Cy Youngs, MVP’s, Rookie of the Year, etc.
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I am saying that with a stronger defense behind them they could be tops in the majors.
They weren’t bad with a a depleted defense on the field. They should be significantly better with a tighter D.
Pujols
Looking at this Pujols stuff, could the Red Sox get involved if he’s a free agent? We wouldn’t have competition because the Yankees wouldn’t go for him.
You assume, then,
that we don’t sign Gonzo?
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it is possible
and highly, highly, highly, highly improbably. Just would not make sense to be paying a DH around $25 million a year. There are tons of teams out there that actually have a need for one of these plus defenders in a defensive position.
1st base is a defensive position?
I thought that’s where you parked the old guys who can still hit. I’m pretty sure it’s a primarily offensive position.
yes but it is still
literally infinitely more valuable defensively than DH. We’re also talking two guys who are also quite good at it.
Is it possible for the red sox to sign both gonzo and pujols??
sure it is.
but why pay the money for pujols to be the backup 1st bagman?
I don't necessarily equate best pitcher to best stuff,
but I had to go Lester here.
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It was close for me between Buchholz and Lester
but I had to go for Buchholz just because of how filthy those changeup and curve are on those rare times where both are on.
Sadly
and I might get stoned for this
Dice might actually have some of the best stuff on the staff……..however, batters only get to see it for one or two pitches…..sigh
It is a good point
having the best stuff doesnt mean you are the best pitcher. I voted for Bard because his fastball is just nasty and somebody had that video of his 2 seamer and that thing is just unhittable.
Ha ha ha!
No, I think you’re right. And that is part of why we all get so frustrated with him.
When he’s on, pounds the zone and doesn’t nibble, that stuff will allow him to get to the 8th with a no hitter, low pitch count, no walks and a bunch of strike outs. However, we all know what happens when he starts nibbling…
I think Dice has great stuff. Now, if he could just be convinced to use it consistently.
Who the @#$% voted for John Lackey??
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