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Denouncing Baseball Fans' Elitism

Baseball season is almost here. Then again, if you’re like me, you would argue that it never left; there is no off-season for a real MLB fan.

Baseball is a sport unlike any other. It takes a unique type of athlete to excel at our national pastime, which requires such an array of special skills. As a result, it takes a unique kind of person to truly appreciate it.

If you don’t share the same enthusiasm -- or in my case, giddiness -- for the looming MLB season as the rest of us diehards, that's fine. There are those people and then, more or less, there are these people: 

What is so great about baseball? It’s just a bunch of overpaid grown men standing around ‘adjusting themselves’ for hours on end, only occasionally taking a break to chase down a fly ball while two of them play a glorified game of "keep away" from some guy with a bat in the middle of the field. Baseball fans are just a bunch of stat geeks. I’d rather watch paint dry…

As baseball fans, we hear it all too often. And for years now, we’ve reverted to the same generic, basic rebuttal:

You just don’t get it.

Not because we can’t explain what makes baseball so great, but because it would simply take too much time. Besides, the reality is that the majority of people, through no fault of their own, really don’t get it. By no means is that intended to sound condescending, it's just the way it is.

After my most recent proclamation of "you just don't understand," I, and those [baseball fans] like me, were called elitists. Initially, I took it as an insult. After further deliberation, however, I consider it something like an indirect, backhanded compliment. 

Allow me to take you inside the mind of a so-called baseball elitist and finally elaborate a bit on exactly what you non-fans may not be understanding.

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Let me start by saying, chances are that if you're reading this article, obviously posted on a baseball-related website, you're already a fan of the sport. Not a whole lot of the general views reflected on and expressed in these words are going to be regarded as innovative or original by you; that was never my intent. Instead, I wanted to create something tangible that can be used as a reference point the next time I'm inevitably deemed an elitist -- so, feel free to use it in the same light.

For us Red Sox fans, 2011 brings with it unprecedented expectations after what could be considered one of the greatest and most productive offseasons in our organization's history. Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez, Boston’s most notable acquisitions this winter, have the team as near-unanimous favorites to win the American League.

Of course, some people will argue that it’s easier to get excited for baseball season when you’re favorite team has a substantial financial advantage over nearly every other organization, and as a result, annually contends for a playoff spot -- as is the case with myself and fans of other large market teams -- a fact that is hard to refute.

To those people, I revert back to the introduction of this article. No mention of the Red Sox, or any team for that matter, specifically. It is baseball that I am excited for.

After all is said and done, I am, in fact, an undeniably passionate Red Sox fan. Most of all, though, I am a fan of baseball in general and all that it embodies.

Some fans claim that it’s difficult for them to sit through even their favorite team play nine innings. I, admittedly, am not normal in this regard.

During a typical day in the MLB season, I make every effort to watch other teams’ day games around the league [courtesy of an MLB.TV subscription] that serve as veritable appetizers to my main course, the Red Sox game, before catching a west coast night game for dessert. Then it’s off to bed where I dream about waking up and doing it all over again. I don’t care who’s playing, I just love watching baseball. I would pay admission to see a sloppy 15-inning game between two high school teams that lasts five hours in freezing temperatures wearing shorts and a t-shirt while suffering flu-like symptoms and still be content.

Again, probably not normal. I’m aware of this.

As poetic as baseball is, it’s no wonder that one of its most notable advocates was Walt Whitman, who once said, “I see great things in baseball. It’s our game - the American game.” Baseball is indeed America’s pastime, and its American symbolism has been well documented throughout history by some of the country’s most influential figures.

No need for me to elaborate; even those who find baseball boring are well-versed in all of that. After all, it's the game’s reputation for beauty that tends to draw people to it initially.

Unfortunately, what isn’t as well-documented is the same reason that causes those who “don’t understand” to shy away.

The fact of the matter is baseball, more than any other sport, requires a thorough understanding and appreciation for all its oft-overlooked nuances in order to make prolonged viewing tolerable for the average observer. Granted, the same sentiments can be applied to other sports, in my opinion, they’re most applicable to the game of baseball.

After all, you can watch football and basketball for example without any real semblance of what is happening and still be entertained by the conspicuous display of sheer athleticism and continuous fast-paced action. That's not to say that either of those particular sports are without their own intricacies, it's just that baseball, by design, is not afforded the same luxury of aesthetic appeasement to its relative outsiders.

I have always maintained that, in most cases, it takes someone who has, at one time or another, played baseball at a relatively high level to truly appreciate all that happens in your average three-hour game -- the majority of which is spent watching players stand idly by as pitchers, catchers and members of the coaching staff relay signs in-between pitches.

It takes a certain kind of person to seek a comprehensive understanding of such a complex game, which again, is almost impossible without having played it in the first place.

It’s that unsung cerebral aspect of baseball that I believe makes it so interesting for some, and in turn, so uninteresting for others. That’s not to say people who don’t enjoy baseball are necessarily unintelligent or that every baseball fan is some superior genius. However, like I said -- and again, this does pertain to all sports in some degree -- there are massive amounts of small details that go unnoticed by the casual observer. In baseball, those details simply have a tendency to be more influential, frequent and unmasked by raw athleticism when compared to, again, sports like football and basketball.

Understandably, not everybody appreciates the intricacy of a pitcher and catcher’s individual game plan for each opposing hitter, incorporating all potential circumstances and game situations or how it’s constantly improvised and reevaluated following almost every pitch. It’s hard for casual fans to appreciate how each pitch is influenced by that which preceded it -- much less how each of those pitches themselves are indirectly influenced by everything from the number of outs, who is on base and where, what the score is, who is hitting, which guy is on deck and even who is up after him -- just to list a fraction of them. Which is why most of those who fail to appreciate what’s going on between pitches, for instance, consider nearly every ball that isn’t put in play by the hitter a waste of their attention span.

However, the truth is there is a very pertinent correlation between, say, the first five pitches of an at-bat and the sixth that ends up getting hit 400 feet. Unfortunately, only the sixth is perceived as entertaining by those who aren’t conscious of that correlation; only the sixth makes Sportscenter. It's the same principal behind another more-often-than-not misunderstood sport, hockey, and its ability to only receive ESPN's attention when players score goals; even more so when they fight.

That’s without any mention of other small in-game intricacies like a timely hit-and-run calls, defensive positioning and pre, post and mid-game lineup maneuvers.

A study of each MLB team’s average game duration in 2009 revealed that the Red Sox and New York Yankees were again well-above the league average [2 hours, 52 minutes] at 3 hours, 4 minutes and 3 hours, 8 minutes, respectively. Is it any wonder that the same two teams nearly always at the top of such a list simultaneously find themselves atop the list of the league’s best teams? Of course not, it simply speaks on behalf of each club’s preparation, both pre-game and in-game -- not to mention that the more a team is featured on national broadcasts, which are marred by prolonged commercial breaks, the longer their average game duration tends to be. It’s more than a matter of payroll.

All that being said, it goes without saying that baseball is more than merely a glorified mind game and is certainly not lacking in athleticism. The difference between what is considered athletic in regards to baseball versus that which is similarly labeled in other notable sports, however, is what makes it so unique.

Consider that in most other sports, it’s not exactly rare for a team’s draft selections to contribute, and even excel, in their first professional seasons merely as a result of physical abilities. In baseball, even the top collegiate level draft selections require a significant amount of seasoning in the minor leagues in order to prepare them for all that is incorporated in the utmost professional level, regardless of how physically gifted they may be. A fact that only exemplifies exactly how demanding the sport of baseball is on almost an unimaginable number of levels that are not limited to the physical realm.

Unparalleled in any other sport is baseball’s requirement for those who find success at higher levels of competition to boast a near-perfect blend of mental, physical and instinctual abilities.

As Yogi Berra once put it, “Baseball is ninety percent mental; the other half is physical.”

With such an inordinate percentage of the game happening inside the players’ and coaches’ heads, unseen and unnoticed by those not privy of the fact, it’s no wonder people who don’t enjoy baseball the way some of us do feel as though they must be missing something. The fact is, they are missing everything. Even the parts they do find entertaining are shrouded in aspects of the game that remain unbeknownst to them.

When your average casual fan's favorite player flails half-heartedly at a curveball that bounces before it even reaches home plate for strike three, they're disgusted. They shout, "What is he thinking?!?!"

It's at that point when those people should take a second to consider exactly what they just asked.

For instance, when my second favorite player does the same -- I say second because my favorite player is Dustin Pedroia, who would never do such a thing -- I reconsider the sequence of pitches that came before it and [most of the time] understand why; I know exactly what he was thinking.

Understanding the mentality of a baseball player is half the battle -- or ninety percent of it according to Yogi Berra's logic.

University of Missouri psychologist Mike Stadler, who did a study on the mental abilities and traits of Major League Baseball players, summed it up better than I ever could in his book, “The Psychology of Baseball.” In it, Stadler wrote, “Baseball is impossible without psychology; impossible to play, and impossible to appreciate fully as a fan. Watch any game, and most of what you see is thinking.”

Despite how much I love it, it’s completely understandable to me that baseball is not for everyone. I'm not saying that everyone in the world should love baseball, even if they do "get it." I'm not even claiming that it's the greatest sport in the world because, really, who I am to judge such a thing?

What I do know is that it’s a game that requires not just constant attention to all the small nuances but an understanding of them as well. If someone doesn’t already own a comprehensive understanding of the game, what are the odds that they’ll take the time to seek it? Not surprisingly, not good.

And I'm not here to chastise you or the sports you love because baseball may not be your thing. I just ask that the next time someone around you denounces the sport that I love, tell them that they 'just don't understand' on my behalf. Better yet, point them in the direction of this article for me.

As far as the term elitist -- well, consider the amount of people willing to take the time to understand baseball for all it’s worth and those who are good enough to gain that understanding through playing it at a high level and you’ve got yourself a very small, you may even say elite, group of people.

Elitism, by general definition, is the belief that certain people or groups deserve preferential treatment as a result of thier perceived superiority -- whether that pertains to class, intellect or monetary and financial matters. I'm not asking for preferential treatment, I'm just asking for understanding. In reality, baseball elitists are a group of people that do have intellectual superiority, even if it does only pertain to our sport's small, subtle nuances.

So go ahead and label baseball fans elitists, we understand.

After all, that's my whole point.

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I read this whole thing, and I agree so much. By the way, I have a blog about the Red Sox at http://conor-soxrox.blogspot.com

by Conor Duffy on Feb 12, 2011 6:26 AM EST reply actions  

I'll check it out...thanks

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 12, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

“In reality, baseball elitists are a group of people that do have intellectual superiority, even if it does only pertain to our sport’s small, subtle nuances”

There is no correlation at all between an understanding of subtle yet significant nuances, and intellectual superiority.

Intellectual superiority would suggest that as a ‘hardcore baseball fan’, you are able to understand or comprehend nuances or fluctuations in the game that others are simply not able to cognate. It is not the lack of cognitive ability that stops ‘average’ baseball fans from understanding those nuances, it is a lack of experience, or simply their awareness of it is not present..

However, I do particularly appreciate your ‘dessert’ metapher; being a baseball fan in the UK, 99.9% of my friends call baseball boring. For my girlfriend, baseball is simply 9 innings of watching a guy throw a ball and another guy swing a bat. It has taken me a good few years to begin to understand some of the nuances that you stated above; for instance, the sequence of pitches leading to a strike out or home run. I’m sure I have many more things to learn.

 “In baseball, even the top collegiate level draft selections require a significant amount of seasoning in the minor leagues in order to prepare them for all that is incorporated in the utmost professional level, regardless of how physically gifted they may be”

This is not technically true; prime examples of athletes who should/did go straight into the Major Leagues would be Strasburg or Leake. Due to the lack of salary cap, the amount of time served in the minors is quite often directly affected by later salary issues; David Pinto has demonstrated this being the case a number of times.

It would be an interesting study to discern how much ‘impact’ true Rookies have overall; obviously it is easy to pick out, for example, Des Bryant or Derek Rose as being high impact Rookies in the NFL and NBA, but how well and how much do first year players in general play compared to first year players in MLB. In other words, on average, does it take a couple of years of playing in the NFL to be playing at the appropriate level/starting, which would be the equivalent of two years in the Minors.

"Baseball is impossible without psychology; impossible to play, and impossible to appreciate fully as a fan. Watch any game, and most of what you see is thinking."

The same sentence could also be made about virtually any team sport; cricket in particular. Sticking to American sports though, in the NFL; defensive/offensive psychological battles (anticipating the blitz, film study, even something like looking off the receiver on a favoured pass route) are highly important.

"For lo, the winter is past; the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of singing of birds is come; and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land" E.H.

by AlexHayes on Feb 12, 2011 6:34 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed re some team games, esp with respect to cricket

After all, how else could one last through a multi-day test match?

I can see that some aspects of these “too long/too slow” games (the instantaneous terror/art associated with hitting a good pitch or fielding sharply hit balls) is lost on TV, though.
You have to be there, I suspect, to understand why cricketers call one position (in “baseball foul” territory, I believe) “silly point”.

However, I still think that baseball builds drama to a focal point best of all.

And basketball/hockey still seem too fast, while football/soccer still seem too slow for me……JMHO, I suppose.

by dabize on Feb 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

it's funny

I was considering a cricket reference in this post…

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great article, read it all and agree 100%

I’m dying for the games to begin now. Thank you so much for the article, and I’m going to print this article and hang it to remind myself one in awhile why I love the game so much.

Beginning of the Sarkisian ERA

by hportallstar on Feb 12, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

"You just don't GET it"

This phrase is perhaps the most irritating, condescending and hypocritical phrase that is accepted in polite conversation today.

It sums up my antipathy to the Cotton Mather moralists, Reaganauts, “difference” feminists, and religious loonies of all stripes who eventually use it to make themselves sound like a crowd talking down to you from a high horse without having to defend an indefensible idea (i.e. be a majoritarian elitist – a difficult feat, no?).

As a RS and baseball fan, I just CRINGE at the idea that I belong to a group that has to resort to this phrase.

But I suppose the truth must be faced…..we ARE goddam elitists, and we can’t prove that we have a right to be using fact-based arguments.

OK – I accept the charge as proven.

 I am a baseball and Sox fan, and I, dabize, am an Elitist.

However, I prefer to couch the argument for my elitism in more aggressive and honest terms than “You just don’t GET it” such as:

“American football has degenerated into a series of executive meetings and court rulings, punctuated by occasional bursts of violence”

Prove I’m wrong…………

by dabize on Feb 12, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Totally agreed

I think of Jim Bouton’s book, and I wonder what the pitcher is thinking – will this outing save me or sink me?

Dramatic buildup is absolutely central to enjoying baseball.

I suppose that is true of football as well (despite my comment above) and it pretty well HAS to be true for cricket……..

by dabize on Feb 12, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Sorry, but someone who watches soccer calling baseball “boring” is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I mean, I like soccer just fine, but it’s not like it’s that game they play in Harry Potter on the brooms. It’s not like the folks are flyin’ around out there. It’s a whole lot of jogging and kicking and brief spurts of speed that leads to….NOTHING.

And, again, I like soccer.

Fact is, baseball and soccer are a hell of a lot closer than soccer and hockey in this respect.

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by Bloggy on Feb 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with the majority of what you’ve said, but I don’t think that the enjoyment is derived from speculation on the future outcomes. I would think that the vast majority of people watching a baseball game with even a passing understanding can completely grasp the fullness of a “box sore” like rundown.

The Red Sox need a runner to tie. A walk puts a runner on base. Substituting someone who runs faster makes that run more likely to score. If the runner can advance from first base to second base, he is even more likely to score.

I would contend that these are not insights that are exclusive to the baseball “elitists” as described by Logan. I find that my understanding and enjoyment (where others tend to shrug and see nothing) comes in the course of single at-bats, magnified, as you explained, by the overall context and suspense of the game.

Those who have watched, studied, and discussed a lot of baseball have the ability to say something along the lines of “he was just showing him the fastball out of the zone to set up the back foot slider” vs. “well, nothing happened. Maybe something will happen 30 seconds from now when they do it again.”

For me, having that type of nuanced experience and familiarity with the jargon and strategy of the game is a big part in remaining engaged in the action.

by Lord Duggan on Feb 12, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well put.

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 12, 2011 8:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Welcome back Logan!

Been wondering where you’ve been.

I do find it difficult explaining to some of my friends why I love this sport so much, it’s strategy, it’s luck it’s math and athleticism all rolled up in one package. I also think it’s the most “rational” of our major sports.

I do find it difficult to express this without calling my friends Neanderthals or bringing up the “you just don’t understand” line.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Feb 12, 2011 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

good to be back...

thank god OTM has a staff always willing to pick up the slack when one of us is MIA for a little while…

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I love baseball because of the 1 on 1 matches

A pitcher against a batter is the most unique part of baseball compared to other sports. A RB in football is still dependant on the offensive line for instance. The batter in baseball is all by himself. The success of his at bat is solely on him. Same for the pitcher. Plus hitting a baseball and the major league level is definitely the hardest thing to do in any sport.

I appreciate the athletism and strength it takes to play all of the other major sports but not as much as someone that can hit a moving 80 MPH changeup after seeing a 95 MPH fastball. Or being fooled by a great curveball and still keeping your hands back to push it out of the infield.

A pitcher just dominating a lineup for 9 innings. Changing speeds, movement of the pitches, all over the strike zone, is just so awe inspiring to watch. Seeing Pedro was the best. I would love watching him blow the fastball by people and then on the next pitch throw a curveball that would have a batters knees buckle.

by Jason A on Feb 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I couldn't possibly agree more about...

…everything you just said.
I was planning on expressing my love for baseball’s combo of individual and team match ups. And I have declared hitting a baseball as the hardest single skill in all major sports on numerous occasions…which is why I, like you said, am fascinated by a well-executed game from a pitching standpoint. I’m def one of those fans who’d rather see a clean 2-1 pitchers’ duel vs. a 12-11 slugfest.

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 13, 2011 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree somewhat

In the end, if you don’t like baseball, there’s little to be done to change minds according to your process. After all, why would someone devote hours and hours to studying the minutiae of the game in order to fully "appreciate it"? But really, while your post is one way to enjoy baseball, I don’t think it’s the only way, and I don’t think it’s the "highest" way either.

Some people may enjoy watching baseball, as you’ve described, for the little things. But many other people watch because they like the homeruns, the strikeouts, the stolen bases. It’s pure raw excitement in a way that other sports don’t offer. People watch to see their heroes come through; they watch to see their beloved stars dominate the hated opposition; they watch to see the kid they may never have heard of somehow work his way into their hearts. Some might call that "aesthetics", and I suppose on an academic level it is, but really it’s the simple joy of baseball.

I think a lot of people watch baseball for the atmosphere. There’s nothing like seeing a baseball diamond and listening to a great announcer set the stage for an epic contest of one man vs. one man. It’s no accident that baseball is the best sport for radio. I know I still love listening to Mike Shannon call Cardinals games, even though I’m not a huge fan of the Cards. It’s just because it takes you into an atmosphere of fun and excitement.

My mom, for example, loves to watch baseball. She doesn’t know what OPS is or how the pitcher sets up a sequence, but I wouldn’t say it impacts her enjoyment or her appreciation of the game. Simply because some fans can interpret the higher statistics of the game doesn’t make them better or "intellectually superior" fans. It just means they appreciate the joy, of if you prefer the "aesthetics", differently. I wouldn’t want my mom running the front office – but as a fan, she’s no better or worse than anyone else in her enjoyment of our game.

I think the crux of your argument is: how do you explain baseball to someone who doesn’t like it? Well, you can try to make an argument, either one based on sequences and technique or on excitement on tension, as I think Matt said really well. But on the other hand, how do you explain why a Vermeer or a Picasso is great? In fact, maybe you think Picasso sucks! It’s possible to explain artistic terminology and the craft that went into the painting, for example, but in the end, some people just don’t enjoy looking at Nude Descending a Staircase. I think it’s similar to baseball. Some people will never like it, just because for some reason they don’t like sports, or prefer watching constant motion, or prefer watching guys crash into each other and maul each other.

You can try to make a logical argument for baseball, but in the end, the most well-reasoned argument can only get a fan if they like the innate essence, or joy, of baseball. If they can’t, you’re wasting your time, and while it’s a crying shame to people like us, who love baseball, in the end it’s just as fruitless as trying to talk someone into liking a piece of art that they instinctively dislike. You just hope they change their mind in the future.

by Sologub on Feb 12, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

appreciate it

also, clicked your Baseball Statistics and Acronyms Explained link from your signature and ended up bookmarking it on my laptop…good stuff.

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 13, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball WAS the American sport

But now Throwlump has definitely taken the mantle. The general public is much more interested in supporting a bunch of roided up freaks with elementary school educations giving each other Cranial Traumatic Encephalopathy. It goes with their profound dedication to profound ignorance: when presented with an equal option, go for the dumber, more violent possibility.

Anyway, I agree, good article.

by Sean O on Feb 12, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

First come the gladiators

then comes the mass conversion to Christianity,

Finally, the decline and fall, with the Visigoths storming the gates.

The parallels are a bit unnerving………….

by dabize on Feb 12, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Grief

way too long, both the article and the responses.

It’s baseball, why make it more complicated. People like what they like, because they like it. End of story.

!!!!! GONZO !!!!!
!!!!! CRAWFORD !!!!!
!!!!! LIVERPOOL !!!!!

by gizmosandy on Feb 12, 2011 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know but this just seems self righteous.

It’s like poetry about a rock on the ground. Sure you can write a nice poem about the rock, but at the end of the day, it’s still just a simple rock, and it does not deserve such attention.
But since the masses know the rock does not mean anything, if they hear a poem about it they are quick to acclaim the author as some sort of genius for writing something deep and meaningful about nothing.

I realize it’s February, but all this talk about feelings and explaining the reinvention of the wheel, is a little much. It’s a reach.

!!!!! GONZO !!!!!
!!!!! CRAWFORD !!!!!
!!!!! LIVERPOOL !!!!!

by gizmosandy on Feb 12, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess you should have stopped

in the first paragraph when it said nothing that follows its necessarily intended to be innovative thought for people like you, rather than drudge through the rest then take the time to comment about how you wasted your time, eh?

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 12, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I did not say it wasted my time.

I respect your passion, and willingness to write something, but the subject just does not do it for me. Plenty others like it, so who gives a crap what I say anyhow? Don’t take it personal, as I did not intend it to be.

My point is in society we tend to make everything more complicated that it is.

!!!!! GONZO !!!!!
!!!!! CRAWFORD !!!!!
!!!!! LIVERPOOL !!!!!

by gizmosandy on Feb 12, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

wooah

Yeah, that didn’t come off right, ha. I didn’t take it personal…was more joking around. Hard to decipher tone of voice and whatnot via text. My bad..!

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 12, 2011 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Whoa there

You’ve put out a carefully considered but subjective post. Getting defensive and slightly rude about someone’s response does not serve your purpose.

However, now that you’ve added “people like you” to “You just don’t get it,” You’re really opening yourself up.

by alfredo on Feb 12, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

(see above, sorry!)

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 12, 2011 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh man

I think I usually catch such tone – sorry I misinterpreted.

by alfredo on Feb 12, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I got it

He used ‘eh’, he’s American. Only Canadians use ‘eh’ in seriousness.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Feb 12, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I legitimately use "eh" all the time, it's true.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Feb 13, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Bloggy

The day I find out you’re actually from Trenton will be a sad day indeed

by Sologub on Feb 13, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Trenton, Nova Scotia?

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Feb 13, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah.

I was gonna say…this guy actually knows where Trenton, Nova Scotia is? (And, no, I’m not from Trenton, Nova Scotia).

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

@#$%ing Twit: @blogtard

by Bloggy on Feb 13, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

does anyone know why our northern neighbors say 'eh'?

they learn that at a very early age spelling the country’s name

C eh N eh D eh

eh?

by Mick Lowe on Feb 13, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

not bad

eh minus.

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 13, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You Don't Have to Get It

The approach I’ve taken over the years is to not try to defend baseball to someone who doesn’t appreciate it. They aren’t required to. There are plenty of things I probably would appreciate if I focused on them, but I don’t think I need to defend myself for not doing so.

Baseball is a thing of beauty, the only sport I seriously follow. And like nearly everyone in this community, I follow it as if my life depends on it. It’s my form of meditation, which is probably not as good a choice as, say, meditation, but there it is. It’s no coincidence baseball is the preferred sport of authors and poets. What I tell people who don’t care for it is that, to me, baseball is great storytelling, game after game. The protagonist, the antagonist diverge and converge constantly over 9 innings. The subplots are endless and irresistible.

However, that still doesn’t mean anyone else has to feel the way I do. I hate boxing – hate it with a passion. I will listen to someone explain why its a beautiful sport – probably the second most beloved of poets and authors. But I don’t feel required to learn to love it.

I think what helps crystalize this idea of a baseball elitist is feeling the need to change someone else’s mind. This isn’t human rights or climate change. I say leave them to their views. ‘You just don’t get it’ is the fallback of the person unwilling or unable to concisely articulate a complex point, not simply an elitist.

by alfredo on Feb 12, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

Here's a question:

How many “baseball” fans would cheer as enthusiastically if there were no city behind the team? No names on the jerseys of a solid plain uniform?

The game itself is the best GAME in the world, period. However, football is clearly more popular. Many of us would take baseball over football in a heartbeat. But do you only care about the Red Sox and not so much about baseball as a superior sport? I’m not saying there cannot be Red Sox fans who are also baseball fans, absolutely there are many who are both. But the baseball fan takes baseball over the Sox everytime and the Sox fan visa versa.

Computer generate a great baseball play, ala a steal of home plate or a turned d-play in a crucial point in the game and a baseball fan may rise up and cheer. However take the same play and put the team in a rival uni and see if there is the same reaction. Most likely not. The BASEBALL fan can appreciate great baseball moments without prejudice. Do people still watch when their team is not involved?

There is a difference between a fan of the ‘game of baseball’ and a fan of baseball in Boston, or Los Angeles, … wherever. I think if you delved deeper you’d find many on here care more about the Red Sox than they do about “baseball.” Not that there is anything wrong with that, but so many are not even honest with themselves. There are biased so-called baseball fans who would never under any circumstances applaud great baseball if it went against their home team.

It’s easy for someone like me to say that baseball is much bigger than the name of the city and far bigger than the name of the player, but I find more and more that people are not baseball fans….. They are Red Sox fans or Yankee fans etc. How many Rangers fans are going to flood Opening Day in 2011? My point is that BASEBALL fans will be there.

"Relax, have a homebrew."

by CajunCavern on Feb 12, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

To add:

This is typical food for thought in basic sociology. I personally think it’s a good thing to get behind a city or community, your High School vs the evil arch rivals of your same great state, etc. However, I don’t think there is any village great or small that takes center stage over the game. Move the games out of the Roman Coliseum and they are still games…. waiting to be competed. It doesn’t take away from it’s inner greatness.

"Relax, have a homebrew."

by CajunCavern on Feb 12, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ill just add this...

most of my friends and family who I try and get to go to a ball game always say the same thing…“baseball is boring, they just stand around….” Now baseball savvy people like us know this is a ridiculous statement bc baseball can be the most exciting sport especially in the playoffs.

So I started to counter my friends and fam by explaining that football does far more standing around than baseball. One 4 sec play followed by 1 minute of nothing but standing around does not make football exciting.

Now I cant stand the sport, football. Add in that ESPN does nothing but cover football 24/7, 365 days a week and I will stay a baseball fan, thank you.

I really only watch two sports, MLB baseball and college BB, I have added the Celts in since they got the Big 3 bc I like their style of ball. The NCAA tourney and the Baseball playoffs are the two best regular sporting events, at least to me.

by SoxAcumen on Feb 12, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

This is great

Section 203 Row 15 Seat 1

by jramey on Feb 12, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

Great post. Great discussion.

Love it. OTM and CB have been nailin’ it lately.

by mmmmm on Feb 12, 2011 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Appreciate this comment & the 2 above...

I’m glad about the discussion this post sparked as well…pretty much what I had hoped for. Thanks for checkin it out.

In 1979, he hit his first career home run...four years before his birth. He once swung at a pitch and missed, just to see how it felt. He is the only player in history to record more hits than plate appearances. He is, the most talented man in baseball.
"I don't always swing, but when I do, I produce lasers."
Dustin Pedroia, 250% strength by volume. Please pitch responsibly.

by Logan Lietz on Feb 13, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Loved it!

It’s frustrating when my friends refuse to watch baseball with me. Sometimes I feel like I’ve lost my passion for the game, but posts like these remind me why I love baseball.

I think baseball is a sport that one needs to learn at a young age. Baseball and the Sox are ingrained in me thanks to my dad. Personally, I think that if the basic rules/intricacies aren’t taught at a young age or you don’t play it’s a hard game to learn and follow passionately when you are older.

by JLS89 on Feb 18, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

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