Albert Pujols, C.J. Wilson Sign With Angels
Major League Baseball is going to have a second Wild Card soon. The two Wild Cards will face off in the new first round of the playoffs -- they are something of a playoffs before the playoffs, but still actually the postseason -- and the winner gets to advance to their league's respective Division Series.
For a Red Sox team that just missed the playoffs two years in a row, this is exciting news. But as Ben Buchanan pointed out, there are some problems, as it makes the division even more important going forward. That does make the regular season more exciting, of course, and more meaningful games year round (emotionally, not mathematically) makes for a more memorable season, too.
The reason to bring this up? Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson, the top hitter and pitcher on this year's free agent market, have both signed with the Los Angeles Angels. Pujols signed a mega 10-year, $250 million deal that seems like a massive risk (and it is), but there are reasons to believe it will be okay, too, assuming he doesn't get severely injured. The $25 million is something of an underpay (or right on target) for Pujols, depending on if he is a five win or better player going forward. If he's a six-win player for a bit, he'll make up value he might not provide later. But then again, 2012 dollars are not the same as 2020 dollars, so inflation can take care of some of the sting of the later years.
(For more on the history of 10-year deals in the majors, you can check out my piece from Baseball Nation earlier this week.)
He's one of the best, if not still the best, players in baseball at present, either way. His 2011 season was the "worst" of his career, and he hit .299/.366/.541 with 37 homers... after suffering a broken wrist. That kept him out for the minimum on the 15-day DL. Pujols is closer to Cylon than he is human, and if you had to bet on someone actually being worth a 10-year deal, it would be him. Plus, in the AL, he can DH if he needs to eventually. That being said, he's one of the best defensive first baseman out there, and still lines up at third occasionally, so this might not even be necessary until the very end.
The left-handed Wilson is real good, but he needs the proper context to thrive to his full potential. Boston and New York, as offense-heavy parks in tough divisions, didn't quite fit the bill. You can't say the same for the Angels, though, given it's the same weak-hitting division he has succeeded in, in front of a high-quality defense, and in a pitcher's park that is especially tough on right-handers. (For more on Wilson in his new digs, Baseball Nation has you covered once again.)
He gives the Angels a rotation of Jered Weaver, Dan Haren, himself, Ervin Santana, and Jerome Williams. That's absolutely ridiculous. There have been murmurs that Santana would be dealt should the Angels acquire Wilson, but even so, Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Williams is a force to be reckoned with -- especially since the Angels can hit a bit. Not like Wilson's Rangers, but enough.
With both the Rangers and Angels legitimate contenders out west, and the Yankees, Rays, and likely Blue Jays making more noise in the future, the Red Sox have their work cut out for them. It makes the journey far more enjoyable, but we might not love the destination.
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Poor Astros?
What about Poor Rangers… Their window to win just got much smaller. No pitching, bandbox of a park and now they see Albert 18 times a year… HA!!
For the first time I am glad the Red Sox are in the AL East.
Dave Cameron made a good point that this means the Angels have no choice but to really skyrocket their payroll
Possibly even to 180-200M levels, if they want to retain the players they have now. Even assuming Pujols remains healthy and productive, he alone can’t win a championship.
They’re still stuck giving Vernon Wells 24M a year for THREE more years (shudder). Haren and Santana both hit FA after 2013 and will require expensive long term commitments to be retained. Kendrick, Izturis and Aybar are FA after next season.
He also hit on the likely theory that with the Dodgers being a complete mess, the Angels are making a power play for the whole LA market. To a lesser extent it’s similar to the situation the Phillies are in…they are going for “win now at all costs” and have a window of 2 years of a relatively young-ish Pujols, Wilson, and still controlling Haren/Santana to do that. Bet everything that you can get a WS and permanently stake claim to a large part of the Dodgers fanbase, together with their Fox TV deal (which I’ve read might get them 150M a year in revenue), that can sustain them at Red Sox/Yankees levels of spending and allow them to have enough complementary talent to support the stars.
No doubt this contract will be a train wreck by the end but they’re certainly putting all their eggs in one basket and going for it over the next 2 years.
"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz
I think they would of been better off
signing a younger and cheaper Prince Fielder.
I also expect Santana to be moved before the start of 2012 season. Angels have enough spare parts with Morales and Trumbo + Santana to get a young are for the rotation.
Let go?
You mean traded, right?
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Still gives them great chance for next two years
The Angels look to have an awesome team in 2012 and 2013, certainly the AL West favorite at this point. Thats two years to grab at the ring, pretty good. Hard to predict what will happen 3 years from now, but a team with Pujols, Weaver adn CJ Wilson is a good core.
Well Pujols and Wilson will be 35 and 34 3 years from now...
They are definitely extremely loaded for 12-13. Weaver, Haren, Wilson, Santana is one hell of a front 4. Pujols will do a lot to cover their offensive deficiencies. If they finally dump Wells and play Trout/Bourjos that helps even more. But beyond that window it’s not quite as peachy. I guess the main question is can their TV deal and revenues support jacking up the payroll into the stratosphere. If it doesn’t, they have to pray that a) Pujols/Wilson/Weaver remain 100% healthy and productive into their mid 30s and b) they can develop internally to fill holes, because they won’t be able to keep their other players at market rate.
"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz
HOLY CRAP.
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Angel Fan
Welcome to the Dark Side!
Better win the AL West or this warm feeling goes straight down the drain.
I was thinking about the warm feeling we all had about this time last year.
Winning the wild card would have been enough to avoid it going straight down the drain in 2011, but going forward, with a one game playoff? Yeah, makes winning the division more important (which, while not the best thing for Boston) is probably good for the game.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
All I am saying to Angel Fan
is enjoy it now, bc you have to put up with a 178millon payroll. Ask a Sox, Philly or Yank fan about expectations
Right... and I agree with you.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
And they are not even close to as good of a team as the Red Sox are
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You're right. The Halos didn't even make the playoffs last season.
Oh wait, neither did you guys.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
wow, on such a "great" day for Angels 'fans"
you come to, a Red Sox blog?
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This:
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Will be interesting to see what the Angels do with Morales and Trumbo.
Assuming the Angels would move one of them and keep the other for DH. Can’t think that Morales has a ton of value right now coming off the injury.
Neither seem to have much value
Morales, after coming off the injury as you said and Trumbo with his sub-300. OBP aren’t very appetizing.
Agree with Acumen that Fielder would have been a better option. It’ll be interesting to see what he gets.
Unrelated: Where is the market for Edwin Jackson? I have heard almost nothing about him all off-season. With Pujols signing elsewhere does it give STL a better chance of retaining him now?
Trumbo was still a ROY runner-up
Not saying that that equates to value, but some GM out there will probably bite. The question is just for how much.
Light up that halo! RIP, Nick.
Morales
will likely be non-tendered. Save them $3MM on a player of questionable health at a position they (now) need no help with.
by abbreviatedman on Dec 8, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get why people say this so often
“When he gets older, we can just put him at DH and everything will be fine”
Will that magically make him hit again?
"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz
No but it will keep down the wear and tear on his body.
It’s similar to a lot of Sox fans wanting to trade Youk, so he can go somewhere so he could play first base, and not play the more physically demanding position of third.
Or David Ortiz... or Edgar Martinez...
(Or were you just talking about guys that played 1B and converted to DH to sustain a higher level of play late in their careers?)
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
This is great to see
bad for baseball that he left St. Louis, but so good to see the Angels will choke on that contract.
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If they win 2 World Series in the first 5 years of that deal, it pays for itself, right?
I mean, we all know the last 5 years of that deal will be an albatross, and they won’t be able to trade him to the Angels at that point a la Vernon Wells, since they are the Angels… wait, maybe Reagins will have a new job by then, and they can ship him there?
However, if they think this team, as they’ve put it together can win one or two WS in the first 5 years, then they’ll end up making the revenues that will cover the cost of the deal, right?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
They won't win two world series in the next five years
They have good pitching, sure, but they also have two really bad outfielders being paid a shit ton of money, they have one of the biggest idiots in baseball as their manager, and they have nobody besides Pujols who can hit the ball.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
LaRussa retired, though... so Matheny might not be a big idiot?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
Exactly
Pujols will be at the plate with guys stealing 3rd base on a regular basis.
The Angels still suck.
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I would think 1 WS would justify the signing of both
Thats just my opinion. 1 WS every decade is pretty awesome. Seems to be the Cardinals plan.
That's essentially my question, though.
Not necessarily from a fan base perspective, but from an actual revenue perspective. Do the ticket sales, the merchandise revenue of one WS give them enough to write off the deal?
Yeah, how funny… the only teams to win more than one World Series since 2000… the Red Sox and the Cardinals, right?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
Not really a vital/important point but just a observation.
But man does this further crowd the AL All Start 1B spot. Even moreso if Fielder somehow ends up in the AL.
You already have Cabrera, Gonzo, Teixeira, Morneau (if he ever gets his concussion issues solved) and now Pujols.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 8, 2011 5:03 PM EST reply actions
I think of all of those Cabrera is the best
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Wow...
I would still put Pujols ahead of Cabrera… I remember when Cabrera was supposed to be the “next” Pujols, and eventually surpass him… but I think his stumbles have left Pujols as the better player, for now.
Still might happen, and maybe as early as 2012 or 2013… but right now, I’d rather have Pujols (but not for that kind of money!)…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
How long a window?
Over the length of their current contracts? For sure… for 2012? I’d rather have Pujols.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
For the length of Pujols current contract.
10 years down the road, I’d rather have Cabrera
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Draft pick
Do the Angels lose draft picks for those signings?
And one to the Rangers too?
Not that I think the Rangers will find much consolation in that…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
I think the Ranger pick
is superseded by the Cardinals. But someone else who understand the picks can correct me if I am wrong.
The Cardinals get the first round pick
the Rangers get the second round pick.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Right, I just meant they lose one to the Cardinals, and the other to the Rangers.
I knew the Cardinals got the first rounder, though.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
So
Does this make the Angels the “EVIL EMPIRE WEST?”
I mean they do have a higher payroll than both us and the Phillies.
This is the math I'm looking for...
… what is their 2012 salary, when this is all tallied. Are they now #2 behind the Yankees? Or are they #5, #8… where are they on the list, and what’s the full total of the team, as it is constructed today?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
I just heard someone say on MLB network
that these moves puts them 2nd and puts them in a bind in 2012/2013 to re-sign Santana/Haren.
So its second hand that they are #2 behind the Yanks
Yes, resigning Santana/Weaver in 2013, I think...
… I agree with the suggestion above that they’ll let Haren go in free agency rather than sign him at that point. My opinion is that sounds about right…
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
Weaver signed a long term deal
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How pissed is he right now?
They told him they had no money so he had to take a worse deal than what would have recieved on the open market.
Every single time Pujols comes to the plate
put him on. Every single time. And that’s what the league will do. He is the new Bonds.
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I hate free agency
Eh. He'll decline like anyone else.
And we’ll see how he adjusts to the AL. Probably fine, but you never know.
He is not going to be pitched to
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He was pitched to in STL...
Why would that change exactly?
Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"
It won't.
People are looking at Holliday and Berkman and not realizing some of the line-ups he played in 5-6 years ago that offered less protection than he is going to have in LA.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
He won't be Bonds
He’ll be Adrian when Adrian was on the Padres.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Dec 9, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
He'll be somewhere in between, because he was already in between.
The Angels line-up is not the Padres. I don’t believe that a growing Trumbo and Trout as well as Kendrick provide less protection than the likes of Kouzmanoff, Headley, Brian Giles, etc. Even Hunter and Abreu (decent OBP at least) at their age can provide as much as those guys. I can’t really include Morales in there because of the injuries the last two years, but if he IS healthy he’ll help as well. I don’t think that is a fair comparison, the Padres line-ups were terrible.
Plus, Gonzo wasn’t even pitched around as much as Pujols was from 2005-2010. Pujols led the league in IBB 4 out of those 6 years and walked alot more than Gonzo did (for the most part) So if Pujols got pitched around as much as Gonzo was in 2012, then he’ll likely get pitched to more. Which, I don’t believe is the case. I think it’ll likely be the same.
He’ll be fine.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 9, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
This is worded weird on my part
So if Pujols got pitched around as much as Gonzo was in 2012, then he’ll likely get pitched to more.
But I think you probably get what I mean. If the logic is Pujols = Gonzo with the Padres, than Pujols will get pitched to more than he was when he was with the Cardinals. Which, again…I don’t think he’ll see too much of a change.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 9, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Getting a star 1B and a huge FA acquisition
doesn’t mean a goddamn thing, as we so ably proved last season.
Ha ha ha...ouch.
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Im getting my Sox-Angels tix at the "Big A" stat!
and that is exactly how Arte Moreno will pay this huge payroll.
Ew, you actually want to go see a game at the "Big Ass?"
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Dec 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions

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