David Ortiz To Accept Arbitration With Red Sox
Update, 5:35 pm: Or not. Well, not yet, anyway.
Update, 10:47 pm: The official-not official roller coaster has stopped once again at official, courtesy of Gordon Edes. David Ortiz has accepted arbitration.
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The Red Sox met with David Ortiz's agent at the winter meetings tonight, and, according to Enrique Rojas and Jon Heyman, the result will be that Ortiz will accept arbitration with the team today.
The two sides couldn't agree on how much money a two-year deal should entail -- Ortiz was looking for $25 million over two, while Boston's two-year, $18 million offer showed they would pay less in exchange for Ortiz's security. This led to Ortiz taking arbitration, as it guarantees him a job regardless of whether he and Boston can come to terms on a multi-year deal before the season starts. As a bonus, it will likely bring a raise of $2 million or so on his 2011 salary of $12.5 million.
Ortiz hit .309/.398/.554 with the Red Sox in 2011, for a 154 OPS+ that sits with the most productive seasons ever by a DH at that age. None of the other players on that list received long-term deals either -- not even Edgar Martinez -- so it's not a surprise that Ortiz was left waiting, as well.
This means Ortiz will be a free agent again in one year, and will try to navigate free agency under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement. Things will be basically the same for him, though, as a qualifying offer of $12.4 million will be required from the Red Sox in order to receive a draft pick from a new team -- less than he will make in 2012 -- once again making it difficult for someone else to sign him easily.
As for the Red Sox' off-season plans, money to Ortiz likely means that the lineup is mostly set, barring trades or complementary pieces for the bench (such as a right-handed bat for the outfield). The rotation and bullpen remain on the wish list, but until the C.J. Wilson's and Mark Buehrle's of the world start to sign, signaling to others that it's okay to get moving on the winter, we likely won't know whether Boston is going to focus on the bullpen or the rotation through free agency and trades.
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Every Sox fan should be happy about this.
Papi wll be back, and he will have another contract year in 2012. This, like the Miller deal, is a win-win.
John Lackey: Boston hates you
Excellent
A little sad this is likely the biggest move we make, but it’s the one that makes the most sense.
Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"
Quick clarification
Does the $12.4M required for draft pick compensation refer to AAV or total cost of the contract (I’m guessing the former)?
I believe it is AAV, a 1 year deal.
It’s basically like a Qualifying offer in the NBA, if you follow that.
John Lackey: Boston hates you
as LesterJohn said,
it’s a one year offer. Basically they’re changing it so that to get compensation, you need to offer a one year/ $12.4 million (in truth this number will change every year, I believe it is the average salary of the top 100 paid players in baseball) rather than going through the arbitration process. Otherwise, every team would be offering every half acceptable free agent a 50 year/$12.4 million deal.
Sox are apparently talking to the Mets about Jon Niese.
This, this I like.
John Lackey: Boston hates you
Yeah just saw that somewhere
Curious to hear other people’s thoughts on this one…especially those who have seen him pitch. Seems it would be cheap, and his FIP & xFIP last year were in the 3.28-3.36 range so better than his raw numbers suggest.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen a good amount of the Mets.
I’d prefer going after Pelfrey for extremely cheap, but Niese is a very good pitcher.
John Lackey: Boston hates you
He's good.
A little injury prone, but never anything serious, but he could be very useful to the Sox.
I like Niese
Two worries, neither possibly huge, but worth mentioning
1. His BABIP is .337 for his career. It’s not a huge sample, so probably whatever, but as I said, worth mentioning.
2. He has worn down quite a bit by the end of the year. I wonder if he just doesn’t have the stamina to start. But again, short career, so who knows at this point.
Twitter: @Marc_Normandin
by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
He's only 25, so maybe he'll develop some staying power as he ages
His peripherals look reasonably solid – 7.65 K/9, 2.99 BB/9. Decent ground ball rates as well. Could fit in nicely as a 4th or 5th starter, depending on the price we’d have to pay, of course.
I'm definitely a fan
My only concern is basically “What’s the price?”, given the notes above.
Twitter: @Marc_Normandin
by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
sure would like...
to have Hanley back…the one that got away. I would love to get rid of Youk at the corner and replace him with Lowrie, move Hanley in at short and trade Scut for a pitcher
Agree for the most part.
I’d move Lowrie and put Aviles at third, but trade Youk + prospects for Hanley and Scut for a #4/5 pitcher.
John Lackey: Boston hates you
What kind of pitcher
Do people think we’ll get for a year of Scutaro? Not bashing the idea, I’ve just seen this come a couple of different times. I would think it would have to be a team that expects to contend that has a surplus of pitching and very few holes to fill.
I am torn on Hanley. Good chance he’ll bounce back after his 2011.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
How about we trade Youk for a pitcher
Lowrie and/or prospects for a real third baseman, and let Mini-Manny stay in Florida.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
Well.
You aren’t going to get much of a pitcher for Scutaro.
You’re replacing Youk’s bat with Hanley’s. Youkilis is a much better hitter than Hanley.
You’re replacing Youk’s glove with Lowrie’s, which is an upgrade, but Hanley is a pretty poor SS, so I’m not sure this move would even help you defensively.
So I’m not sure… how does this idea help you?
by abbreviatedman on Dec 7, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I could've sworn they said Hanley was owed $45 million over the next three years.
So he isn’t exactly a bargain, if those numbers are right.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
This too.
A bigger commitment than to Youkilis, who you can cut after this season if need be or bring back on the one-year club option.
by abbreviatedman on Dec 7, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Keep the Gonzo, Youk, Papi trio in place for another season
That is what drove the Sox big offensive #s along with Ells & PD table setting. But am equally concerned about Hanley coming into a clubhouse that is in need of healing. IMO, Scoot is part of the healing whereas Hanley might tear that scab right off. Too bad. Most of us hqve wanted him back for years.
I think Scoot
Even if not a vocal guy, is probably one of those lead by example business-like guys. Never seems to cause problems, does his job and does what the team needs him to do. Somewhat underrated if you only look at his numbers which I think some people do. Give him the reins, see what comes of Iglesias in AAA this year, see if Lowrie (if he isn’t dealt) can stay healthy, etc.
by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am starting to really believe the Sox will make some painful trades to improve the team
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Anyone clamoring for Hanley who complained during September is suffering from some mighty cognitive dissonance
People do realize that his laundry list at this point includes:
a) repeated attitude/effort problems
b) clashing with managers/teammates
c) initially refusing to move off SS for Reyes
d) demanding his contract be re-negotiated now that Reyes is here
…yet after harping for months that this team needs more “accountability”, “maturity”, “discipline”, “desire”, etc etc, you want Hanley?
Pot meet kettle.
"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz
Don't forget...
..showing up to ST some 20 pounds heavier
and who could forget this
Hanley is super talented
He’s also a walking “Do Not Want” sign
Twitter: @Marc_Normandin
by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wishful Thinking?
I know this may sound crazy, but bear with me. I’m also not exactly sure what his accepting of arbitration gives him, but is there still a chance Ortiz could agree to a multi year deal somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 mil per? My thought is that he seems like the player, if there ever was one, that would recognize that it’s not all about the money and that Cherington actually needs some money to build the rest of the team. The Red Sox resources are not unlimited and they need some more parts to this team to win another world championship.
by bosoxman94 on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He could, yes
This just guarantees he is with Boston, and that if a new agreement isn’t reached, he will get paid through arb.
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by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Papi..
…has outperformed his contracts by so much that he’d be pretty silly to take a team discount while Henry is buying yachts and soccer teams. And he should have someone tell that to Henry’s face.
Leave and don't come back.
I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.
by TheLoneDavid on Dec 9, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
A No-brainer
This is a good day in Red Sox Nation. Papi is back for at least one more year and we should all celebrate. Ortiz has been a great performer and solid teammate and citizen for many years now. To hell with this crap about “market value” with DH’s! Ortiz is exponentially better than any DH year after year and he has obvioulsy proven the can perform in the white-hot glare of Boston Red Sox baseball. Adam Dunn anybody?

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