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David Ortiz To Accept Arbitration With Red Sox

Dustin Pedroia of the Boston Red Sox celebrates with David Ortiz after hitting a solo home run against the Baltimore Orioles during the fifth inning at Oriole Park at Camden Yards in Baltimore, Maryland.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

Update, 5:35 pm: Or not. Well, not yet, anyway.

Update, 10:47 pm: The official-not official roller coaster has stopped once again at official, courtesy of Gordon Edes. David Ortiz has accepted arbitration.

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The Red Sox met with David Ortiz's agent at the winter meetings tonight, and, according to Enrique Rojas and Jon Heyman, the result will be that Ortiz will accept arbitration with the team today.

The two sides couldn't agree on how much money a two-year deal should entail -- Ortiz was looking for $25 million over two, while Boston's two-year, $18 million offer showed they would pay less in exchange for Ortiz's security. This led to Ortiz taking arbitration, as it guarantees him a job regardless of whether he and Boston can come to terms on a multi-year deal before the season starts. As a bonus, it will likely bring a raise of $2 million or so on his 2011 salary of $12.5 million.

Ortiz hit .309/.398/.554 with the Red Sox in 2011, for a 154 OPS+ that sits with the most productive seasons ever by a DH at that age. None of the other players on that list received long-term deals either -- not even Edgar Martinez -- so it's not a surprise that Ortiz was left waiting, as well.

This means Ortiz will be a free agent again in one year, and will try to navigate free agency under the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement. Things will be basically the same for him, though, as a qualifying offer of $12.4 million will be required from the Red Sox in order to receive a draft pick from a new team -- less than he will make in 2012 -- once again making it difficult for someone else to sign him easily.

As for the Red Sox' off-season plans, money to Ortiz likely means that the lineup is mostly set, barring trades or complementary pieces for the bench (such as a right-handed bat for the outfield). The rotation and bullpen remain on the wish list, but until the C.J. Wilson's and Mark Buehrle's of the world start to sign, signaling to others that it's okay to get moving on the winter, we likely won't know whether Boston is going to focus on the bullpen or the rotation through free agency and trades.

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Too bad his agent didn’t know in advance that the Marlins would go nuts, and get them to offer the big man a 6 year contract (to do what, god only knows) as a bargaining chip.

by textandaction on Dec 7, 2011 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Every Sox fan should be happy about this.

Papi wll be back, and he will have another contract year in 2012. This, like the Miller deal, is a win-win.

John Lackey: Boston hates you

by LesterJohn on Dec 7, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent

A little sad this is likely the biggest move we make, but it’s the one that makes the most sense.

Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"

by Rogue Nine on Dec 7, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Quick clarification

Does the $12.4M required for draft pick compensation refer to AAV or total cost of the contract (I’m guessing the former)?

by Tarrsk on Dec 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I believe it is AAV, a 1 year deal.

It’s basically like a Qualifying offer in the NBA, if you follow that.

John Lackey: Boston hates you

by LesterJohn on Dec 7, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

as LesterJohn said,

it’s a one year offer. Basically they’re changing it so that to get compensation, you need to offer a one year/ $12.4 million (in truth this number will change every year, I believe it is the average salary of the top 100 paid players in baseball) rather than going through the arbitration process. Otherwise, every team would be offering every half acceptable free agent a 50 year/$12.4 million deal.

by wolf9309 on Dec 8, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah just saw that somewhere

Curious to hear other people’s thoughts on this one…especially those who have seen him pitch. Seems it would be cheap, and his FIP & xFIP last year were in the 3.28-3.36 range so better than his raw numbers suggest.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen a good amount of the Mets.

I’d prefer going after Pelfrey for extremely cheap, but Niese is a very good pitcher.

John Lackey: Boston hates you

by LesterJohn on Dec 7, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He's good.

A little injury prone, but never anything serious, but he could be very useful to the Sox.

by aubatron2011 on Dec 7, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Niese

Two worries, neither possibly huge, but worth mentioning

1. His BABIP is .337 for his career. It’s not a huge sample, so probably whatever, but as I said, worth mentioning.
2. He has worn down quite a bit by the end of the year. I wonder if he just doesn’t have the stamina to start. But again, short career, so who knows at this point.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He's only 25, so maybe he'll develop some staying power as he ages

His peripherals look reasonably solid – 7.65 K/9, 2.99 BB/9. Decent ground ball rates as well. Could fit in nicely as a 4th or 5th starter, depending on the price we’d have to pay, of course.

by Tarrsk on Dec 7, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm definitely a fan

My only concern is basically “What’s the price?”, given the notes above.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

sure would like...

to have Hanley back…the one that got away. I would love to get rid of Youk at the corner and replace him with Lowrie, move Hanley in at short and trade Scut for a pitcher

by JMeye5 on Dec 7, 2011 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Agree for the most part.

I’d move Lowrie and put Aviles at third, but trade Youk + prospects for Hanley and Scut for a #4/5 pitcher.

John Lackey: Boston hates you

by LesterJohn on Dec 7, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

What kind of pitcher

Do people think we’ll get for a year of Scutaro? Not bashing the idea, I’ve just seen this come a couple of different times. I would think it would have to be a team that expects to contend that has a surplus of pitching and very few holes to fill.

I am torn on Hanley. Good chance he’ll bounce back after his 2011.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

How about we trade Youk for a pitcher

Lowrie and/or prospects for a real third baseman, and let Mini-Manny stay in Florida.

I'm a 7 WAR player in bed.

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well.

You aren’t going to get much of a pitcher for Scutaro.

You’re replacing Youk’s bat with Hanley’s. Youkilis is a much better hitter than Hanley.

You’re replacing Youk’s glove with Lowrie’s, which is an upgrade, but Hanley is a pretty poor SS, so I’m not sure this move would even help you defensively.

So I’m not sure… how does this idea help you?

by abbreviatedman on Dec 7, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This too.

A bigger commitment than to Youkilis, who you can cut after this season if need be or bring back on the one-year club option.

by abbreviatedman on Dec 7, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep the Gonzo, Youk, Papi trio in place for another season

That is what drove the Sox big offensive #s along with Ells & PD table setting. But am equally concerned about Hanley coming into a clubhouse that is in need of healing. IMO, Scoot is part of the healing whereas Hanley might tear that scab right off. Too bad. Most of us hqve wanted him back for years.

by GerryT on Dec 7, 2011 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think Scoot

Even if not a vocal guy, is probably one of those lead by example business-like guys. Never seems to cause problems, does his job and does what the team needs him to do. Somewhat underrated if you only look at his numbers which I think some people do. Give him the reins, see what comes of Iglesias in AAA this year, see if Lowrie (if he isn’t dealt) can stay healthy, etc.

by The Name is Dalton on Dec 7, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I am starting to really believe the Sox will make some painful trades to improve the team

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis

by Dave D on Dec 7, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone clamoring for Hanley who complained during September is suffering from some mighty cognitive dissonance

People do realize that his laundry list at this point includes:
a) repeated attitude/effort problems
b) clashing with managers/teammates
c) initially refusing to move off SS for Reyes
d) demanding his contract be re-negotiated now that Reyes is here

…yet after harping for months that this team needs more “accountability”, “maturity”, “discipline”, “desire”, etc etc, you want Hanley?

Pot meet kettle.

"We’re the Sox. Not Apple Sox. We ain’t no Barbeque Sox. We’re the Red Sox.’’ - David Ortiz

by L33to II on Dec 7, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

Hanley is super talented

He’s also a walking “Do Not Want” sign

by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wishful Thinking?

I know this may sound crazy, but bear with me. I’m also not exactly sure what his accepting of arbitration gives him, but is there still a chance Ortiz could agree to a multi year deal somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 mil per? My thought is that he seems like the player, if there ever was one, that would recognize that it’s not all about the money and that Cherington actually needs some money to build the rest of the team. The Red Sox resources are not unlimited and they need some more parts to this team to win another world championship.

by bosoxman94 on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

He could, yes

This just guarantees he is with Boston, and that if a new agreement isn’t reached, he will get paid through arb.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Papi..

…has outperformed his contracts by so much that he’d be pretty silly to take a team discount while Henry is buying yachts and soccer teams. And he should have someone tell that to Henry’s face.

by Dale Sams on Dec 7, 2011 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

A No-brainer

This is a good day in Red Sox Nation. Papi is back for at least one more year and we should all celebrate. Ortiz has been a great performer and solid teammate and citizen for many years now. To hell with this crap about “market value” with DH’s! Ortiz is exponentially better than any DH year after year and he has obvioulsy proven the can perform in the white-hot glare of Boston Red Sox baseball. Adam Dunn anybody?

by Scoop1981 on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

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