29 Trades, 29 Teams: Blue Jays
by revived0103 on Dec 31, 2011 6:49 PM EST
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PrintHello there, OTM. My potential trade is:
Red Sox trade Youkilis, Ranaudo, Bogaerts, Doubront, and Bryce Brentz to Blue Jays for Jose Bautista and Henderson Alvarez.
Red Sox do this because:
They need a right fielder, Bautista is one, and why would they not want Jose Bautista? He was clearly the best hitter in baseball last year and would give them a big right handed bat to even out the lineup. He can also play 3rd, with questionable skill, but the point is he is physically capable of helping fill the hole Youkilis would leave. The Sox also need cheap starting pitching, so really any deal they do right now should also involve getting a starting pitcher. Alvarez has shown good control and gotten good results for most of his career and is ready to jump in to a big league rotation. The prospects in this deal would be a huge price to pay, and I'm not saying it would be a great move. I tried to dig into the farm system while still leaving it with depth, balance and skill. But if the Sox could get the current best hitter in baseball for a package centered around Youkilis they would have to do it. Remember, we're talking about the BEST HITTER IN BASEBALL. Like Albert Pujols good. Bautista would utterly transform even the game's best offense into something so much greater.
Blue Jays do this because:
They have an unbelievable trade chip in Bautista. Why not sell high on him as he enters his 30's? They get a guy in Youkilis who will actually replace a lot of his offense for the next year or two, as well as multiple top prospects. And giving up Alvarez is a lot easier when they get Doubront, a major league ready pitcher, and Ranaudo, the top starting pitcher in the Sox' system.
Or should we give up even more and go for Romero?
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Regarding your last note
I had Romero on my fantasy team this year so I followed him more closely than most other AL pitchers, he’s just great. Seems to have an excellent personality as well, interacting with his fans and teammates every day on the twitter. Very talented pitcher capable of thriving in the AL East, love to get him but it would cost an arm and a leg.
Which leads me to your actual trade. I’d like to say that would be enough, Bogaets, Ranuado and Brentz are three prospects that are very good and Doubront is a ready now pitcher who could step in right away for them, that said, this is an inside-the-division trade, while this package may work for a team outside the ALBeast, I think we may have to toss in another highly regarded prospect to get it done as a cost of business between rivals tax, maybe another pitcher, Couch or Hernandez?
Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"
Probably only a small uptick in offense
with the switch of Youk to Bautista. You’d have Youk/Sweeney as your RF/3B combo vs. Bautista/Punto
Send Bard/Iglesias to SD for Headley
and we might end up close to 1000 runs on the season.
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No?
Save a bit of money getting rid of Youk and Iglesias, go out and buy a couple of decent starters, and Headley’s defense is better than Youkilis’s.
Right Field would be a problem defensively though.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
are we talking about this trade proposal
cuz Bautista does make slightly more than Youk, so there wouldn’t be any cost savings there.
You
could go with Punto and Aviles untill someone better becomes available.To me,it would be a huge upgrade. As the man said,Bautista is elite. If you can’t put together the best of pitching staffs,you may as well jump at someone like Bautista who will walk 100 plus times,and hit with the best of them.He is not that expensive. With Youk’s health questionable,not to mention his tempermant, this would be a no-brainer. It’s a moot point. Bautista’s is going nowhere. I will say it for the 99th time.Toronto should be going after Fielder,to go with Bautista. Baltimore should too. Toronto can be a huge market with a good team. This was proven in ’92 and ’93. They sold 4 million tickets a year. Toronto is actually an extraordinary baseball town,who has been deprived for two decades of a winner. Sometimes you have to wonder if Baseball would rather not have many of their teams show up at thhe WS.
I can't see the Jays doing this at all.
Bautista is a big draw for them. The team is finally starting to get some of their shit together and are willing to spend to contend. If they are going to contend in the next few years, Jose Bautista is gonna be a part of that.
Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.
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Jays Fan perspective
A bunch of points to consider:
-According to John Sickels Alvarez would be a B/B+ type and has much more upside than doubront or anyone save bogaerts in your proposal. No reason at all they will include him as a throw in if they really meant to rebuild by trading Bautista.
-Also along that line, if they really were to trade Bautista, I don’t see them wanting youkilis back since they have Lawrie at 3b and a glut of 1b/dh already.
- What you’re neglecting is that Bautista has a lot of surplus value in relation to his contract where as youkilis… not nearly as much given his age and injury concerns. Bogaerts is a good prospect as a starting point but I don’t see ranaudo or brentz interest the jays that much given the depth of their farm. Bautista would require multiple blue chippers in return, something that boston lacks.
-Another factor to consider in these deals is what could you offer that other teams can’t? if Bautista really was on the block, I can see Atlanta offering Heyward + one or more of their top pitching prospects, which boston probably can’t top.
Agreed
We’d basically have to send over our entire top 20 prospect list, and even then someone like Washington could outbid us by going “Ahem? Strasburg.”
You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Jan 1, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Jays are a young 81 win team with everyone just entering their prime, coming into 2012 with a full season of Lawrie, and Rasmus instead of scrubs like Jayson Nix, and Cory Patterson, shored up bullpen, and one of the best farms in baseball..why would they ever trade one of the best hitters in baseball, signed to one of the best contracts..for Youkilis..really?
right, the more perplexing part for me
is that they’re trading Bautista here because he’s in his 30s, in exchange for Youk who’s a year older?
Jays fans:
your points and observations are noted; nonetheless, this is one of the most realistic scenarios possible if the Red Sox were to acquire Bautista. It is certainly within the realm of possibility that the Jays, who I don’t think expect to contend this year, sell Bautista off. And this package of players would certainly be enticing to them. I understand not wanting Youkilis that much, but the point of acquiring him would be if they wanted to get ML ready offensive talent as well as prospects. Really you could just replace him in the deal with two good prospects like Cecchini and Alex Wilson, and you’re right, that probably would be a better package.
can't see them trading him unless serious blue-chips are involved.
Anthopolous has been moving prospects for MLB ready assets this off-season, he isn’t in sell mode. Plus he wouldn’t move Bautista to Boston last off-season when he was way more of an unknown, no way he’d do it now ..the fan-base would skin him alive. AA is already catching a lot of heat for not going all in on Darvish or Fielder moving Bautista to a division rival would be career suicide right now.
totally agree
But Bogaerts, Ranaudo, and some fungible pieces..with us giving up a 21 year old starter with a plus sinker/changeup and impeccable control isn’t it.
+1
Would never happen.
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Walks
Gonzalez would draw 100 walks with Batista behind him, and hit 40 HR’s
Bautista would knock in 125 Runs with 45 HR’s and 100 walks
Pedroia and Ellsbury would score 125 runs apiece
Ortiz would knock in 130 with these guys in front of them.
1000 plus OPS
Gonzalez and Bautista
If you can’t have the best pitching staff, you may has well have an overwhelming offense.
Offer them any 5 prospects, and try to keep Youkilis.
Revised Lineup
Ellsbury 35 HR 110 RBI 200 Hits
Pedroia 25 HR 90 RBI 180 Hits 80 Walks
Gonzales 40 HR 120 RBI 200 hits 100 Walks
Bautista 45 HR’s 140 RBI 200 Hits 100 Walks
Ortiz 30 HR 140 RBI 160 Hits 85 Walks
Youkilis 25 HR 100 RBI 175 Hits 90 Walks
Crawford Unknown
Scutaro 10 HR’s 75 RBI 150 hits 65 Walks
Catcher Unknown
Do it! Win this year and next. Screw the payroll!
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