Rich Hill Re-Signs With The Red Sox
by Marc Normandin on Dec 30, 2011 3:04 PM EST
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PrintRejoice, for Rich Hill -- recently non-tendered a contract due to plenty of left-handed options out of the pen -- has been re-signed by the Red Sox to a minor league deal.
John Tomase reports via Twitter that Hill will receive an invite to spring training, and that, while he expects to be ready by the start of the season, "won't rush anything." Hill has not pitched much for Boston over the last two years, first spending most of 2010 in the minors with the Cardinals and Sox, and then seeing his elbow explode on the mound in 2011, but he has been effective in the short time he has been around. Hill has thrown all of 12 innings for the Red Sox, all in relief, with a 3.8 K/BB ratio, over 11 strikeouts per nine, and not a single run scored.
Hill, if healthy, has the potential to be the top lefty in the Red Sox pen, and that's coming from someone who is oddly optimistic about not-Coors Field Franklin Morales. "If healthy" is a legitimate question, though, and the optimism surrounding Hill has more to do with his repertoire and previous prospectdom than it does those 12 frames. Regardless, it's good news for the Sox, who have added yet another possible bullpen piece to a unit that might have improved despite the real loss of Jonathan Papelbon and hypothetical loss of Daniel Bard.
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Good to see him back
In other LHRP news, Sherrill is back with the Mariners and Darren Oliver appears to be going to the Blue Jays.
Ideally I would like to see another left-handed option for the back of the pen, but I realize budget constraints possibly prevents that.
by South Coast Ghost on Dec 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions
We have four "closers"
why would we need another LOOGY?
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
A minor league deal!
Something I can’t get pissed about, welcome back Hill.
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Finally!
I kid, I kid!
BLAAARGH SIGN STARTERS OMFG!!!
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
BLAAARGH SIGN STARTERS OMFG!!!
+1
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How dare you! Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Bard, Pedroia rotation!
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well this is the first I've heard of Pedroia in the rotation, if I'd known that
I'd totally have been behind the idea from the very start.
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Ha ha ha!
Clearly, the Sox need to sign some SPs just so we can stop drifting into absurdity.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
We should make Crawford a pitcher
He already hits like one
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch.
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Pedroia is too short to solve our pitching problems
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Of all the days to be smited by Pedroia...
He’s got plans dude, way to mess up his New Years Eve by making him come all the way to your place to whoop your ass into 2012. That’s not what he wanted to be doing.
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I'm a little wary of that
But at least it means things are going well so far in rehab.
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by Marc Normandin on Dec 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't assume he'll actually be in the majors at the start of the season
but that means that hopefully when we have our first bullpen injury flameout of the year (my money’s on Jenks, but Albers or Doubront wouldn’t surprise me), hopefully Hill will be ready to rock.
Man I missed this guy.
The most fun I’ve had watching someone pitch in a long time. What a ridiculous curve/slider/whatever. Left-handers practically had to turn around to watch it come in.
Maybe the lack of SP moves means...
Dice-K is recovery is going well. Any chance we see him after the all star break? It would still make me breath easier if they sign a low cost starter or two on 1 year deals. I’d rather see no SP moves than spending prospects or big dollars since there doesn’t seem to be much out there.
by JonnyJumpUp on Dec 30, 2011 3:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oswalt, Roy or Kuroda, Hiroki.
One year deals, so it doesn’t tie our hands in 2013.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
In other news
Yankes re-signed Jones to a $2M deal with $1.4M in incentives. We probably couldn’t have done better.
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Reenforcements.
Hill and Dice-K could be very nice reenforcements in the second part of the year. There’s always injuries to the pitching staff, and signing Hill to this minor league deal allows them insurance when of the LH relievers out of the group of Morales, Dubront, or Miller goes down. And yes Dice-K is inconsistently maddening, but he could be a valauble piece coming back at the right time to give us an extra starter when we’ll probably need it.
Yeah, this thought has started rattling around in my head lately too.
Dice K for the stretch might be a nice boost… better than a lot of starters teams can add at the All-Star Break/trade deadline.
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
That's why they probably have been in any rush to sign any starters.
Signing them now would require mulitple year big money deals, where as if they wait till January they can get one or two on short term short money deals so either they could move him at the deadline when Dice comes back or if needed a DL stint, they won’t have to rush them back because they haven’t paid him that much.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 30, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Dice is not a good pitcher.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 31, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Indeed.
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We're paying him anyhow.
Might as well use him. And if it gives him a chance to rebuild value for himself to get a contract next year, then great. maybe it motivates him.
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Maybe Bobby Valentine will bring out his hidden potential
And turn him into the greatest pitcher in the galaxy.
Well if you read all the perks Dice K gets in his contract you would think he is the greatest pitcher in the galaxy
From Cot’s:
perks: physical therapist, massage therapist, interpreter, 8 first-class round-trip airline tickets per year between Boston & Japan, spring training housing allowance of up to $25,000, Boston housing allowance of up to $75,000, one-time moving allowance of up to $35,000, use of Lincoln Town Car or similar car, Red Sox player ticket package, including 2 field box seats, team employee to assist Japanese media, uniform No. 18
So do you think the Sox re-sign him? I sure as heck would trot him out after the All-Star break and see what he can do..or, toss him out there in blowouts to preserve the bullpen -they paid him might as well use him.
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Do I think the Sox re--sign him?
Not unless they want a riot on their hands.
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He is better than any other 4 or 5 the sox have
At least at the moment. And cheaper. Can’t believe I am hoping for dice to be on the mound either.
by JonnyJumpUp on Dec 31, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. Not a big fan of Dice either,
but I would rather see him on the mound than Lackey. The best news of the offseason for me is that Lackey won’t pitch this year. Sad….
Dice is a fine enough pitcher
When his elbow isn’t a mess. He’s no ace or anything, but he’s pretty average when healthy.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 1, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Where is all this "Dice-K after the All Star Break" talk coming from?
Last year it was “He has probably thrown his last pitch as a member of the Red Sox”. Is this just optimism, or have I missed an update?
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It's because he had his TJ at point where his recovery time will end around the All-Star Break.
And if that’s the case, he’s still under contract with the Sox. I don’t think there’s anyone who take him as tradeable piece, and if they think he’s healthy, they may throw him out there to see what if he’s improved any.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Okay...so was he originally expected to have a longer recovery period?
Or was his surgery performed earlier than expected?
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I think he was always going to be healthy in late July
But people are only talking about him now so they can justify Bard to the rotation.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 31, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not trying to justify Bard to the rotation,
because I don’t think he will be there. I’m just saying that with the new FO, and coaching staff, they may have a little different view on Dice-K than Tito and Theo did, so when’s he healthy, they’ll probably use him.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It was performed during the season.
I also think the talk about him not pitching again for the Sox again was because nobody could have forseen the events that led Bobby V. to be the manager of this team. Most of the analysts and fans probably figured Tito would have stayed, and possibly Theo, and they would have been fustrated with him so they would have kept him out of for the Season. But with Bobby V. as manager, and his experience in Japan, maybe people think he can help DIce.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
originally the thought was that he'd probably be able to pitch in the last few months
but just based on history, the Sox might just proceed without him and let him stay on the DL. I think the change in management/front office may have changed that.
Gotcha.
Thanks, all.
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very happy for this
The roster crunch this season might be interesting with Doubront, Bowden, and Atchison out of options.
Wonder if we package them to a team, like the Pirates, that could fit them in?
I thought we’d never win it all. And then we went down 0-3 to the Yankees in 2004, and I thought it was the end of the world.
Wait ’til next year!
Happy for this
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions
+1
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Oh thank you, baseball jesus!
Saw him injured at Fenway last year, and didn’t want it to be the last I’ve seen him.
Hold on here...
Are you saying that you went to Fenway and something bad happened?
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by nuthinboutnuthin on Dec 30, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Please, I'm worried that you may injure yourself with shock
Just try not to think about it, and the danger will pass.
So glad to see him back
I expect big things from him sooner or later.
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Delivery
His new delivery last year was said to be the reason for his improved effectiveness. I wonder if the side-arm is also why his arm blew up.
by Hallelujah2004 on Dec 30, 2011 10:12 PM EST reply actions
I remember reading at the time that it was not
Probably in Speier or Britton or somewhere. It was not the cause, and he should be able to return to throwing how he was without fear of re-injury.
If the Tigers get Garza
here is how I rank the top teams in the AL:
-TB
-MFY
-Detroit
-LAA
-Texas (slightly ahead of)
-Boston
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If the Tigers weren't willing to give up Turner and others
for a younger, under team control for longer pitcher in Gio, I doubt they’ll give them up for Garza, who’s 2 years older and only under team control for two years.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
but is better than Gio
age isn’t that relevant when you’re talking about a guy that won’t turn 30 until his contract is up
But he's still only under control for two years and not four.
And with Gio only being 26, and not 36, the Tigers might have been able to get him to improve his numbers.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they could
but I’m not so convinced that Gio is more valuable than Garza. Probably he is to a team like the Nationals, who it’ll be a surprise if they’re contending in 2012
The reason Garza's appealing is similar to why Gavin Floyd's appealing.
You have a better feeling for what you’re going to get with either guy, than you will with Gio. But Gio’s appealing because if he lowers he’s left handed and if he lowers his WHIP and walk totals, he’d probably be better than Garza and Floyd. I didn’t want Gio because I didn’t think his totals would improve that much in the AL East.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
They will give up Turner for the right starting pitcher
He wasn’t the sticking point in the Gio trade. Beane wanted Castellanos and Smyly both as well as Turner. The Tigers have been rumored to be talking with the Cubs about Garza, so if Theo doesn’t ask for the types of packages that Beane throws out there then Garza can be had for sure.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 1, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
You have Boston rated wayyyyyy too high on that list.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 31, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
You have to wonder.
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you cannot be serious
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If the Tigers get Garza (Or Oswalt or Kuroda)
I’d rank them where you have them. If they also manage to get a half-competent third baseman, they instantly become my #1 ranked team, in either league.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 31, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa is not that good
they are better than last year, and I think better than Boston, but they will struggle to score (though not as much as last year) and the bullpen won’t be as good (Farnsworth is not repeating last year). I do cringe when I think of their starting pitching, though.
if their offense going to even be any better this year?
so far, it looks to me like they’ve only improved one spot- catcher- where Jose Molina is probably only an improvement because their catchers were so bad last year. They still have to fill their DH and 1B spots, so I guess it depends on those. I’m not counting on them spending big for either of those though.
Rizzo might be one name
that would make me sad. I like Rizzo and I don’t want to see him in the Tropicana Retirement Home.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 31, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Tampa Bay has a habit of bringing out "career years"
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yup they've got a secret way to do that
it’s Joe Maddon’s magical hipster glasses that give them their power.
I was gonna say performance enhancing super powers
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That number is still too high and too loyal.
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Why they will be better on offense
In August of last year they decided to go with Joyce full time in right, which meant Zobrist played second,, which meant in turn that Rodriguez and Brignac were not playing at the same time.. They also added Jennings (who replaced Fuld). Longoria also missed about a month, and had a subpar year.
Here is their lineup in July of last year:
Damon
Joyce
Zobrist
Longoria
Kotchman
BJ
Fuld (.240, .673 OPS)
Stoppach (.176, .607 OPS)
Rodriguez (.223, .679 OPS)
Brignac (.193, .448 OPS)
Here it is at the end of the year
Damon (not sure if he will be back)
Jennings (.259, .805 OPS replaces Fuld, also had 20 SB and 10 HR in half a season)
Zobrist
Longoria
Kotchman (my guess is the Rays get another bat, and that bat splits time with Kotchman at DH)
BJ
Joyce (this may become a platoon with Guyer)
Molina (.281 (over ..100 points higher than Stoppach) .757 OPS)
Brignac/Rodriguez platoon (though there is help iin AAA)
So the Rays look better to me this year on offense.
Fingers crossed for Rich Hill's health
He’s had the injury bug completely devour what was once a very promising career as a starter. Then he finally makes it back and was actually pretty awesome coming out of the pen only to be bitten once again. I’m pulling for Rich, and not just because he could be a great addition to an already strong Red Sox pen.
by Aluminum Penguin on Dec 31, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions
Y'know, this means we have five closer-capable pitchers in the bullpen if Hill comes back on fire.
Aceves, Hill, Melancon, Bard, and Bailey. Does this mean we trade Jenks away? Or do we just roll him down a hill?
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I think Jenks is the main reason why Bard is moved back into the bullpen.
When Jenks gets hurt, they’ll move Bard back to where he belongs.
by aubatron2011 on Dec 31, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
And if he turns out to be a good starter and he belongs in the rotation?
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 1, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hell will freeze over, the seas will boil, fire will cascade across the sky
and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse will ride through the streets of Boston.
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Then the Mayans were off by a couple seasons
…might as well go for the relevant twofer
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