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Mr. Bailey Comes To Boston

As you no doubt heard, the Red Sox were busy yesterday. Ben's Baseball Ops pulled off another in a series of deals to replenish the bullpen after Jonathan Papelbon's departure for Philadelphia and the potential move of Daniel Bard and/or Alfredo Aceves to the rotation. The nitty gritty: Boston traded Josh Reddick and two guys you probably haven't heard of (pitcher Raul Alcantara and first baseman Miles Head) for A's closer Andrew Bailey. Oh, and they got outfielder Ryan Sweeney, who, according to Wikipedia, collects Pontiacs. Like, the cars. Wikipedia: Every Pseudo-Journalist's Source For Useless And Likely Inaccurate Information!

Bailey steps into what will be a completely different Boston bullpen than the one we saw last season. Say good-bye to the top three of Papelbon, Bard, and Aceves. Next season all will be gone or re-purposed. They'll be replaced by Bailey, Melancon, and Jenks. But we'll get to Baily's role in the pen in a bit.

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The Give Ups

As 'El Perro del Mar says, you gotta give to get back, and that's true of most everything in life. Love, seal feedings at the zoo, baseball, everything. Andrew Bailey was no different. To get him, the Sox parted with three players, the most prominent of which is outfielder Josh Reddick. Reddick spent substantial time in Boston last season while J.D. Drew was injured and proved mostly up to the task, hitting .280/.327/.457 and playing plus defense in right field. The on-base percentage was low, but that was always Reddick's Achilles Heal and at 24 going on 25 this season it isn't likely to substantially improve. The upside with Reddick is his power and defense. Those skills make him worthy of starting in the big leagues. But his hacktastic ways limit his ceiling. He's a fine player and a cheap one, but with Ryan Kalish in the wings, he was redundant.

After Reddick, the Sox gave up two lottery tickets in Miles Head and Raul Alcantara. Head is a first baseman with moderate power and speed. He split last year between Class A Greenville and High A Salem. Alcantara is a tall projectable pitcher with some speed and control who split last season between the Gulf Coast League Red Sox and Low A Lowell. Both of those skill-sets would equate to valuable players if they were major leaguers, but both aren't particularly close to fulfilling that destiny. Alcantara is at least four years away and Head might be three or more. Both could be good major league players, fringe players, or nothing at all. Such is the way of the low minors prospect.

Further reading...

Bailey The Pitcher (all data from Texas Leaguers)

Like Papelbon before him, Bailey is a fastball pitcher.

He doesn't throw as hard as Paps did -- he averaged 93 mph to Paps 95 mph last year -- but he did generate an above average whiff percentage of 9.3% (ML average was 6%). He doesn't walk a ton of guys (~2.5 BB/9) and he also offers something Papelbon didn't: a curve ball. Bailey doesn't throw the curve super frequently (only 8% of his pitches were curves last year), but he does throw it for strikes (60%). He also features a cutter, though it looks like he may lose bite on that pitch from time to time.

Bailey is a fly ball pitcher, but Papelbon (among others) proved that a someone with that skill set can be an effective pitcher in Fenway, which actually suppresses homers anyway. Going from What Ever They're Calling It Coliseum in Oakland to Fenway may make Bailey's numbers look a bit worse, although going to anywhere from Oakland with the exception of San Diego would probably have a similar effect.

One thing should be made clear: Bailey is a good pitcher but he isn't 2011 Jonathan Papelbon. I'm not sure Jonathan Papelbon is even 2011 Jonathan Papelbon. Despite Robert Andino, Papelbon had an amazing season that would be unfair to expect of Bailey in 2012. That said, if Bailey can stay healthy, he should be very effective.

Further reading...

Injuries

Ah, there is that word. Injuries. If there is anything about the deal that should scare the hell out of you as a Red Sox fan, it is Bailey's injury history. According to Baseball Prospectus's injury database, Bailey has had injuries to his forearm, elbow, trunk, knee, and face. He's also had Tommy John surgery, though that was in college back in 2005. He's also been hit by a truck, mauled by a rabid gerbil, had a tree fall on his left anus, and been eaten by a bear. Twice.

The good news is when he's on the mound he's effective. The bad news is, over the last two seasons he hasn't often been on the mound.

Role In The Pen

Ben Cherington talked a bit about what Bailey's role would be on the 2012 team. In short, he said it would be up to the manager and pitching coach to define roles for their players. Which makes sense. Why name a closer now, especially when you have three guys in Jenks, Melancon, and Bailey who can fulfill the requirements of the role? No need to pen yourself in here. Also, it is possible Daniel Bard ends up back in the bullpen, though this deal makes that a less likely outcome. That said, if Bard does start, it's probably fair to say that Bailey will at least begin the year as the closer.

Winning The Deal

Which ever team gets crowned the winner of this deal will largely depend on Bailey's health. If he throws 80 innings like he did his rookie year, the Sox will have dealt an average and redundant starting outfielder and two lottery tickets for a Proven Closer (trademark). If he throws 35 innings and is on the DL for half the season, the Sox will have dealt three promising young players for the reliever version of Rich Harden. So goes the narrative.

In The End...

This deal was about winning more games in 2012. As nice a player as Josh Reddick is and can be, he was superfluous. Ryan Kalish should be up after a short stint in AAA to get the rust off and Ryan Sweeney et. al can hold down the fort until then. Alcantara and Head, fine prospects both, weren't going to help the Red Sox through the next presidential administration. Bailey fulfills a need for the Red Sox. How well he fulfills it depends on how much he can stay on the mound.

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Re: Kalish

I really don’t think they are in any rush to get him to the majors. He wasn’t exactly ready last time he was in Boston, and he lost an entire year of development he was supposed to get in 2011.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

That's not to say the job won't be his eventually

Just that it’s not necessarily his in 2012, even if he does well in Pawtucket.

by Marc Normandin on Dec 29, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

love this deal it was a no -brainer a low risk high reward

No disrespect to reddick he is a platoon player or 4th outfielder at best. he is very streaky has decent power terrible plate discipline and the pitchers caught up to him as he got more at bats last year. miles head good young offensive prospect but his only real position in ml is 1st base and lets face it he is blocked by gonzo. and alcantara he is the wildcard he is young 19 years old but he has really good stuff and has serious potential but with lester bucholz ranauldo barnes and hopefully bard all young and in the mix you can trade a chip like that for a proven closer in his prime like bailey. in short great trade by cherrington i love both his trades so far !!!

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

very much agree

obviously, a different guy in charge now, but after 2010, they said they thought he could still use, at the very least, a few good months in AAA. I’d guess that over the last year, he’s only back-tracked. For now, I don’t know what our right field situation is like going into the year with a platoon of Aviles (career .350 wOBA against lefties, has been working at right field in winter ball), and Sweeney (career wOBA of .332 against righties, which is less than ideal, but hopefully the monster can help him add more power). Not ideal, but I find it hard to imagine them going out and spending on a free agent right fielder at this point.

In any case, if they could both put up their career averages, it’d be better production than we got out of right field last year.

by wolf9309 on Dec 29, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

nope, don't know anywhere to get those with splits

In any case, Ben convinced me that as an opposite field hitter, going to Fenway will help Sweeney even more than Park factors would indicate.

by wolf9309 on Dec 29, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Great deal

And I don’t recall a more universally praised deal here on OTM. I like the line about the next Presidential administration…the Sox make deals like this because they are trying to win every year, a good thing. the key is to trade for young, established players like Bailey, especially where they are under cheap team control.
If nothing else, this deal will likely settle the closer role. Bailey has the most closing experience on the team. Melancon in the 8th; no Bard/Papelbon, but we can live with it I think.

by Scoop1981 on Dec 29, 2011 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

This will end in tears.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

like tears

from champagne in the eyes? like tears of joy? like tears from the bitter cold?

by 3run_bomb on Dec 29, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Like tears from watching Lester win a Cy Young playing for the Diamondbacks

because the team performed so horribly that we had to blow it up and start over.

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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, please

having Bailey and not Reddick is not going to make that happen.

by wolf9309 on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...

We’ll have to trade Lester and he’s reasonable contract to start over after next year. The team is doomed.

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by brogshan on Dec 29, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

* his

And I crash my sarcastic comment to the ground with bad spelling.

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by brogshan on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah trading a 4th outfielder and low minor leaguers is going to make that happen

the biggest need for this team is pitching and melancon and bailey improve the bullpen.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The bullpen was already good,

there was no reason to improve it unless you’re making Bard a starter, which is dumb and a sign of an incompetent front office.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

says a guy that thinks chase headly is a all star hahahah

you dont have a clue about what goes on in a baseball front office. your a armchair baseball gm and a poor one at that.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

And the asshat of the day award goes to...

unfolds paper

Ah yes, brady12mvp3, come on down!

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by Rogue Nine on Dec 29, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I never said Headley was an all-star

I said he was a solid, durable player with great defense who the Sox needed instead of the oft-injured Kevin Youkilis, even if Youk’s bat is better.

Furthermore, I could easily put together a playoff bound team, on a budget, in a cave with limited supplies before your team of bloated contracts stopped losing 100 games per year.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

bwahahahaahaa

yeah your a real gm on the rise on a blog hahahahahaah what a tool.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, now I remember you

You’re the guy who never formulated a competent argument to anything I had to say, and only wrote “hahaha” to hide the fact that you were wrong and didn’t want to admit it.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

of course i am wrong how could i argue with u

your a gm on a blog. your the classic know it all that thinks he could run a baseball team cause he is a fan of it. i sincerely apologize for the tool comment i was out of line.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And you continue to fail to make a counter-argument.

Run along little boy, the grown ups have things to do.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

its not worth arguing with you dont know

what your talking about it would be as productive as talking to a wall. have a good new year. even though your prob not old enough to drink legally.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Says the person who writes like a five year old.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

again its a blog

not that serious to me at least but in your world it prob is i get it . sorry gm

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Grammar, spelling and punctuation are always important.

Without them, you look like a drooling moron.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Here, I fixed it for you
Zing, you got me again.
Good job, GM.

Now you be careful, if you get drool on your keyboard it will stop working.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

wow the hits keep coming

all this grammar and baseball knowledge from a blog gm. and to think getting a 2 time all star closer for nothing and in his prime is a bad move i would never have known that without your help.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, the hits keep coming.
All this grammar and baseball knowledge from a blog GM. To think, getting a 2-time All-Star closer for nothing, in his prime is a bad move. I would never have known that without your help.

Fixed again.

Getting a 2-time All-Star closer when you don’t have a need for one while trading away your starting right fielder is a bad trade. Closers are only special because the media makes them special, they’re relievers on a pedestal. It’s especially bad when, by acquiring said closer, you force your old closer into the rotation, where he clearly does not belong. I’m happy to have cleared all this up for you.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 29, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

ok let me see here

starting right fielder hmm reddick is a 4th outfielder at best. he is easily replaced and once kalish is healthy is the better prospect. closers are only special cause of the media ? really really? our old closer signed in philly bard has never ever been our closer . how do u know he doesnt belong in rotation ? have u ever seen him start ? bard is young bard has 3 above average pitches bard was a starter he was moved to bullpen for control and mental issues now is the time to see if he can overcome that and be a starter. if it doesnt work he can always go back. in the mean time cherrington has aquired a proven closer for NOTHING and also aquired a up and comer for the 8th inning. now he will focus on some starters for depth. and gm this is all my opinion i am not a blog gm like your self . priceless so while i will study my grammar u should go pick up baseball for dummies and take a crash course.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if I feed him or not.

You weren’t here in the beginning of the year, this dude followed me into every thread like a lost puppy nobody wanted and nipped at my ankles. He’s a pathetic bitch who disappeared as soon as the season started because he fought me tooth and nail claiming that Crawford was going to win the MVP this year.

I wish he had stuck around, I would have loved to laugh in his face.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

please provide the proof where i said crawford was going to be mvp?

that is a blatant lie but its ok you are a BLOG GM that is impressive. i will admit i defended the crawford signing and so far i was wrong wont be the last time. as i am a mere mortal fan not a armchair blog gm like the lonedavid.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 30, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

brady12mvp3

Going for back to back titles!

I’m just going to flag you, you really aren’t here to do anything other than antagonize, and very poorly at that.

http://www.weei.com/

^They welcome asshatery there.

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by Rogue Nine on Dec 30, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

flag me for what ?

disagreeing? oh its ok for u to call me names unprovoked and for your internet buddies to call me out but if i do it i get flagged? you two really need to get a life.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 30, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

For trolling:

Examples:
TLD started with this-

The bullpen was already good, there was no reason to improve it unless you’re making Bard a starter, which is dumb and a sign of an incompetent front office.

Which was not an insult to you in the least but rather a counter opinion.

you then replied with a personal attack –


says a guy that thinks chase headly is a all star hahahah
you dont have a clue about what goes on in a baseball front office. your a armchair baseball gm and a poor one at that.

also with -

bwahahahaahaa
yeah your a real gm on the rise on a blog hahahahahaah what a tool.

And that was just really productive, I mean, really the most informed post I’ve ever seen on here.

then followed up with -

again its a blog
not that serious to me at least but in your world it prob is i get it . sorry gm

Then continued the personal attacks, that, let me be clear again, YOU started in this thread unprovoked, this morning -

as i am a mere mortal fan not a armchair blog gm like the lonedavid.

So what you’ve shown in this thread is that you a)do not care much for this blog and b)offer absolutely nothing to the actual discussion beyond personal attacks and repeated use of ‘hahahahahaha’ so you’re either in preadolescence or an evil villain, neither of which have the maturity to post on this blog.

This thread was for discussion and you immediately turned it into a personal thing between yourself and TLD in an absolutely unprovoked way. So who is in the wrong? The guy who shared his opinion on a matter relevant to the thread, or the guy who who brought in Chase Headley for no reason at all and proceeded to prove nothing in the conversation?

This thread is just textbook trolling on your part.

Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"

by Rogue Nine on Dec 30, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i accept my role in this thread

i was and still am having a bad day i acted childish but that guy is a smug know it all that really doesnt know a thing about baseball. do what u got to do it really wont bother me either way but i sincerely apologize for my childish behavior and i wont respond to him in any way shape or form

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm having some serious deja vu.

Didn’t we have this happen before?

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by Bloggy on Dec 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, like I said to revived, this guy followed me around for a month at the beginning of the year and attacked me without provocation any time I posted on the blog.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's important to remember

That we should argue the points, not the person. We’re all fans of the same team here and ultimately we all want what is best for the team. There just happens to be different ideas in how to get that done. Sure, some opinions around here are hardline and absolute, but this is a fanbase who’s last baseball memory does a decent job eclipsing the pain we felt in 2003 or after the first three games in 04.

TLD knows quite a bit about baseball, and if you questioned his opinions rather than chiding him as an armchair GM, you’d find that out. You’re free to disagree with him after he’s had a chance to explain how he feels the way he does and you two may never agree, but it’s not a reason for personal attacks. If you result to that, you better pick your battles wisely, because more people are apt to have the back of someone who has over 7,000 comments here posted on a daily basis over the last two years (happy 2 year OTM anniversary TLD) than yours.

I’m sure the mods will let you stay if you turn that attitude around and discuss rather than attack. The more there are commenting, theoretically the merrier.

Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"

by Rogue Nine on Dec 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks R9,

It’s really been two years already? It feels like so much less.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 30, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah a trade of a 2 time all star closer in his prime

under team control for 3 seasons for a 4th outfielder and 2 low minor high potential minor leaguers that might never pan out will sure end badly . really ? this trade was a no brainer bailey has some health concerns but every player can get hurt if healthy he should do just fine in 45 games vs the al east he has a 2.18 era so he can get the good teams out as well.

by brady12mvp3 on Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Just wondering

how effective Bailey will be in a smaller ball park like Fenway.

by PVS53 on Dec 29, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

he gave up

three home runs all year last year (41.2ip)— two in yankee stadium (laughable, pathetic, little league park) and one in (launch pad) arlington. in 2010 he also gave up three home runs (49ip), one of which was in fenway.
he does not have good splits in fenway… but a large part of that is that he has been pitching to the red sox.
i think he will be fine as the new sox closer. he has blown only nine saves over the last three years.

by 3run_bomb on Dec 29, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Please tell me

Miles Head’s middle initial is “A”.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Dec 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry Bloggy, C for Coleman

I mean, if you say it in a french accent, it sounds the same.

Joe, the reason we shout "WE ARE" and the reason the answer will always be "PENN STATE"

by Rogue Nine on Dec 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He's from Trois Riviere, Quebec. I'm sure of it.

Galactus does as he pleases. Because Galactus is drunk.

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by Bloggy on Dec 30, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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