Should Carl Crawford Play Right Field at Fenway?
It may sound like a ridiculous question, it may even be a ridiculous question, but I have to ask it anyway. I can’t help it. There are probably some readers out there who will not get by the title of this article before they cry out, "NO! You Idiot! That’s a terrible idea" and that is fine. I have no idea what the results of this mad scientist’s experiment would be, but I have to ask the question, because there is something that I can’t get my head around: Carl Crawford’s 2011 UZR.
Prior to 2011, Carl Crawford was easily the top defensive left fielder in baseball by UZR. From 2002 to 2010 his 116 runs saved were more than double the next best mark. His UZR/150 led all regular LF during that time (minimum 4500 innings). His 18.2 UZR in 2010 was second among all left fielders (minimum 500 innings) behind repurposed CF Brett Gardner (Defensive Runs Saved had Crawford ahead by one run, but I digress…) 2010 was Crawford’s second highest UZR rating and the seventh time in eight seasons he surpassed 10 runs saved by MGL’s metric. The overall point being, Carl Crawford was very, very good at playing left field according to UZR.
Now, before Mr. Litchman and my fellow nerds raise the single-season-UZR-numbers-are-unstable chants begin (darn that catchy chant, it always gets stuck in my head), let me reiterate two tenants of UZR theory that must always be acknowledged; it takes a large sample (around 3000 innings) for us to get an accurate reading from UZR and Fenway Park’s Green Monster is the system’s arch-nemesis. Both of these issues are extremely relevant in considering Crawford’s dramatic drop in UZR. CC has played just 1098 innings as a Red Sox left fielder, around half of those coming at Fenway Park. This is around 1/3 the sample we would like to see to effectively judge his UZR. If the Monster is truly responsible for Crawford’s stark drop in UZR, it will take another two years to know for sure. I believe this to be case, in spite of the small sample size, and I will try to prove it.
UZR over a single season. In 2007, he was credited with -2.4 runs after two years of declining UZR numbers. 2007 is strange season for UZR, as no full time AL left fielder was given a positive ranking by the system. Only two left fielders topped 1000 innings at the position in the Junior Circuit, Crawford and the A's Shannon Stewart. Even in those three years between 2005-2007 when his UZR slipped, he still managed to rank fourth in all of baseball, possibly showing a decline in overall left fielder UZR during this period or a bias toward NL left fielders. Since UZR is based on a league average for its baseline, the decline in Crawford's numbers could be connected to a change in the baseline. So while Crawford's -2.2 UZR last season is a concern, it is not unprecedented.
Then there is the Green Monster. The Green Monster has necessitated revisions to UZR and only two players have ever posted positive UZR numbers in front of the iconic wall in over 500 innings (ironically, those two players are Jason Bay and Manny Rameriz, 2009 and 2008 respectively). The effect that the Monster has in turning would be fly balls into singles and doubles presents a major challenge for any defensive system. And that is where splits come in.
Manny Ramirez was a terrible fielder. You don't need UZR to know that. He ran like a man carrying a string quartet on his back and seemed to base his first step on anything but the batted ball's trajectory. At home, (and Fenway was his home park for 5.5 of the 7 years that he played where UZR is available) he was much worse than on the road, with a -23.5 UZR at home against a -11.9 on the road. Playing in Tampa Bay, Carl Crawford has experience the exact opposite. Both home and away, Crawford has been very good in left, but he is markedly better at home. His 22.6 home UZR is almost triple his 7.5 road UZR. Just over 10% of those road games have been at Fenway. Looking at the differences between Fenway and Tropicana Field helps to explain this.
Here Fenway is super imposed on top of the Trop and the differences in the fences are show in Blue (where the Ray's field is deeper than Fenway) and in Red (where Fenway is deeper)* In his former home ball park, Crawford had an addition 25 feet behind him in left field, giving him more chances and with his range, more putouts. Crawford's excellent range is now limited by a large green obstruction, taking away his best skill as a defender. Across the diamond, however, Fenway has wild expansive right field begging for a man who can range far and wide to turn doubles into mere fly outs. Carl Crawford is that man.
*The overlay is not to scale, but rather an approximation. Distances are accurate except where a * signifies an approximation
Now, the obvious flaw in this plan is Crawford's arm. Crawford doesn't throw well for a left fielder, with UZR giving him -1.1 runs for his throwing on his career. Right field requires a better arm due to the need to keep runners from gong first to third and scoring from second at will. Therefore, we have to temper the runs Crawford would save with his range as a right fielder with the extra runs he would cost the team with his inability to throw.
Last season, Boston right fielders saw 195 situations in which the right fielder's arm would factor in (situations where a runner could go first to third, score from second on a single, tag up to go to third, tag up and score). The superior throwing Josh Reddick got one of these base runners out everyone else failed to register a kill. That's right, Boston right fielders totaled one outfield kill. 41.5% of runners did not try to advance, obviously afraid to suffer the same fate as that one guy. That gave Bosotn the third worst hold percentage in the league. Just how much worse would they be if Crawford played home games in right? The worse right field arm in baseball, Corey Hart, cost his team less than six runs in over 1000 innings by UZR's arm runs. If Crawford was twice that bad in half as many innings, but had range numbers similar to his Tampa Bay UZR, he would still save the team five to ten runs. While a higher percentage of runners would take that extra base, his glove would be lower the total number of men on base, which is far more important.
In all likelihood, Carl Crawford will not see an inning of work in right field next year. There may be many good reasons for that beyond physical considerations like his range and his arm. Still, if Boston wants to maximize both Crawford and their outfield defense, playing CC in right at home might be worth a try. On additional benefit to this unorthodox plan would be the ability to sign a right-handed hitter for the bench that can only play left, such as Pat Burrell, Marcus Thames, or Jonny Gomes. Call me crazy, but I think it could work.
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I’m not opposed to trying it and letting the coaches use the “eye test”. But I think it might make more sense to leave him in right the whole time rather than swapping him back and forth. Because I imagine it takes some adjusting your first step when looking at the batter from a different side.
Do it
I think it’s a great idea. He looks lost with the Monstah behind him. I don’t think the lack of arm strength is that big a deal if he’s disciplined enough to hit the cutoff man. Something that Reddick failed to do on more than one occasion, costing runs. So yeah, give CC some room to roam and allow him to stop trying to figure out the Monstah.
Don't limit yourself to only the games Crawford played in Fenway as a Sox
He’s played 9 games per season each season he was with Tampa Bay in Fenway as well, that’s almost as many innings.
Additionally, Crawford doesn’t have the arm for Boston’s RF, his arm is similar to Damon’s and Ellsbury’s it’s just not strong or accurate enough to be in right and handle that extra distance.
Furthermore, Reddick is already an above-average if not elite defender in right field, we have no need to move Crawford to right, especially because Reddick might end up being a better player anyway, if Crawford continues his Boston suck-fest.
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I just don't see the point in allowing Crawford to cost us even more runs than he already is.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
No Way
There is no way on earth Reddick is better than CC next year. The point of the article was that CC in right might be better than CC in left. That said, who replaced CC in left would certainly make a difference.
Josh Reddick was worth 1.7 more wins than Crawford in 43 less games.
By definition he is a better player. If you want to assume that Crawford continues to be a 5 WAR player after this year, go ahead. Until proven otherwise, I will continue to assume Crawford is what he showed us last year, Alphonso Soriano without the home run power.
If we move him to right, his arm will be decidedly worse than Hart’s, let’s be conservative though and call it seven runs given up, that’s already two wins gone right there. Add in his inexperience playing right field (has he ever played right in his career?) Fenway’s larger dimensions in right, and you take off some more runs, let’s be conservative again and call it three. That’s another win off the board thank’s to our new right fielder.
Now let’s assume Cherington goes out and gets the best FA LF still out there. We’ve got quite the selection you know. Would you like Luke Scott, Ryan Ludwick, or Raul Ibanez? Of those players, only Ludwick produced a positive WAR last year. He was worth .3 WAR. For reference, Crawford in left field was worth .2 WAR, so there’s an upgrade! You got something right! Still, neither of those numbers are better than Josh Reddick’s 1.9 WAR in just over half a season in Right Field, producing 18.3 UZR. I know that’s a small sample size, but when taken with his scouting reports from the minors saying Reddick is a good right fielder, I will keep Reddick in right. Thank. You. Very. Much.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Put Reddick in left.
You don’t need to go get a left fielder. Also, hit me up on twitter if you want to bet about Reddick being better than CC.
I don't have Twitter
And I’ll make the same bet with you now as I made with Sandy in November. Wait until the end of April, that’s long enough to find out if he’s going to play well or not. If he’s playing well, I will publicly apologize for bashing him all winter in a game thread. If Crawford sucks, I expect you to do likewise for defending him.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
One month is the bet I'm making. I won't make multiple bets to appease you.
Especially since one month is giving you an advantage, Crawford is a notoriously hot starter, last year excepted.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ironically, basing your entire future outlook on a gross overweighting of a single season is exactly the mindset that led to Alfonso Soriano's contract in the first place
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G'wan ahead and look at Crawford's batting numbers in Fenway. Dude's never been good in Boston.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
The fact is CC is going to play 140+ games for Boston next year
even if he isn’t as good as Reddick or Kalish. The thing I am worried about is that Crawford was worth an average of more than 1.5 wins on DEFENSE for the three year prior to his joining the Red Sox. If he can’t hit, it is even more important to get defensive value out of him. His arm is almost certain to cost them less than seven runs, but the absolute most it seems possible any RF could cost a team with his arm would be around 13. It’s approximately 10 runs per win (not 3.5 as you state above) so if he was worth what he was worth as TB’s LF he could give up those 13 runs and still save 5 with his range or half a win. If he manages to do better than the worst case scenario throwing he could add a win to his value easily.
In no way that I can possibly see as realistic is it possible that he could cost the team three wins with his arm. In the history of UZR no outfielder has ever cost a team a full win with his arm, not Damon, Not Brian Giles, not zombie Ken Griffey Jr. I see no reason to believe CC would be historically bad at holding runners from right.
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by Mattsullivan on Dec 26, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
10 seems way high, the last time I read Moneyball it said between 3 and 5 was a win
Has it changed since then?
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what Moneyball says
but both WAR systems are based on a model that typically sets a win around 10 runs above replacement. It should generally be the average runs per game doubled as a team needs to prevent that number and scored that number to have the run differential that would indicate 1 win above replacement, if understand the theory correctly.
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by Mattsullivan on Dec 26, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
The whole point of the article is that CC taking runs away by covering the larger space in RF
Is greater than the amount of runs he would allow due to his weak arm.
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I don't buy it.
Corey Hart gave up less than six runs based on his arm, but his arm was at least playable in right field. Crawford’s is barely playable in left, I would, at least, say he gives up six runs.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta say, and I havent found a good place to interject
so here it is. For Carl to succeed at Fenway, and we need him to succeed, he doesn’t need more culture shock. He needs to settle in to the position he most familiar, bat 2nd (PD would be awesome at 3rd), and continue to see balls off the bat from LF. It’s entirely possible that over time CC could become the best defensive RF in Sox history, and the “arm” data given in the article somewhat support this, but we don’t have time for him to learn. Meanwhile Reddick has a great arm, good speed and range, good glove and, because he has by far the most experience in Fenway’s RF, is the best right fielder on the team. IMO we need solid offense and defense from both CC and Reddick to have a chance at 100W, and there is every reason to expect that CC will return to form and Josh will have MLB pitching pretty well figured out in his
sophomore season. So, CC in RF is a moot point because it’s not best for the team in 2012.
by GerryT on Dec 27, 2011 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also, I voted for Sullivan being out of his mind, because being below average in left field, especially a small left field like Fenway, is not being "successful."
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You have a point there
but no full time LF has ever posted a positve UZR in Fenway, so there’s that…
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by Mattsullivan on Dec 26, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
You'll have to show me where you got those stats
I tried looking on Fangraphs and sorting left fielders by defense from 1912 to 2011, only Manny and Crawford came up at all.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nevermind, figured it out, sort of
Fangraphs is only giving me advanced fielding data back to 2002, but Ellsbury has a positive UZR in over 500 innings.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
TLD all funny business aside
you really think this low of Crawford as a player?
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I believe that Crawford is a mediocre player being thrust into the worst possible situation for him.
I think there’s something about Tampa Bay that makes their players play better, I don’t know what that might be, but it explains why Carlos Pena became brilliant when he went there and why Crawford fell off a cliff when he came here. It also explains why Delmon Young went from superstar hot-shot rookie to, well, Delmon Young when he went to Minnesota.
I think Crawford might be on the same level as a guy like David DeJesus, he’s got elite defense, but his bat isn’t really up to snuff, and he gets his offensive numbers with his knees. Fenway negates the need for an elite defensive LF, and the Red Sox philosophy, especially when Tito was here, wasn’t as free-running as Tampa Bay was. He was signed to a massive contract and then put in the best possible position to make him fail. I think if we traded him to somebody like San Diego or Oakland, a place that needs and rewards elite defense in LF, he would become a good player again, but we don’t need that type of player here.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
the no pressure aspect most likely.
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If that were true why don't we see superstars coming from other small market teams?
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
That’s why everybody was hoping that he would play center field. And then we were just like, “oh well he’ll still be awesome.”
by revived0103 on Dec 27, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Except he wasn't awesome
and as a player whose value comes from his defense, he may never be awesome again.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 28, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
which is 1/6 of a stable sample size
and Ells is a +6 centerfielder in a reliable sample size, so we know he can play defense. His UZR splits are still far superior away though, both in CF and in that SSS in LF. Everything I see tells me CC’s range is wasted in LF at Fenway.
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by Mattsullivan on Dec 26, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyone agrees with that
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Everything I see tells me CC’s range is wasted in LF at Fenway.
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That's half the reason I hate him here.
The other half being we, as a team, don’t run all that aggressively and I feel like playing on Tampa’s turf has shot Crawford’s knees.
We’re basically employing him for skills we don’t need, use, or he doesn’t have anymore.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Valentine is going to employ the steal a lot more than Francona ever did
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Then we really better hope that Crawford's knees aren't as bad as I think they are.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
they would not have given him that contract
if his knees where a problem.
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He's shown that he's healthy enough to run on them
but I wonder how much speed playing on turf has taken out of him.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Who's our turf guy?
I know we’ve had one around here before, at about this time last year. He said that the turf at the Trop is barely so and it wasn’t much to worry about, I don’t think we have a Vlad Guerrero situation playing out.
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OK I understand not thinking he's a great player and that he's overpaid
but to listen to you, you’d think that he’s a 70-year-old man hobbling around on a cane
I watched Crawford suck for almost every damn game in 2011
and find it hard to believe that his knees are the problem
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I think your point would be valid
if we had a below average defender in right field who we could switch with him. Had we traded Reddick and gone out and gotten Beltran or (god forbid) Cuddyer to replace him, then I would’ve been all about switching. As it is, we have a very good defensive right fielder with a very good arm- I think the total outfield defense would be worse by swapping the two, just because of Crawford’s arm.
by wolf9309 on Dec 26, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I prefer to keep Crawford in left...
So he can focus on remembering how to hit again. I don’t think he would be well served by trying to learn a new position when his bat is where the problem lies.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Coco Crisp in right field how does that sound?
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Sounds like "not as good as Josh Reddick" in right field.
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by TheLoneDavid on Dec 26, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
tempting
but I’d like Kalish/Reddick/Jones better
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Crawford is a dynamic player
not worth what he is getting paid, but that’s over and done now.
I hope we get to see the real Carl Crawford this year.
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by gizmosandy on Dec 26, 2011 7:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We can only hope - the Sox are counting on him to be that player
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Baserunner kills
When is an assist not a kill? I wonder because Reddick had 4 assists in RF last year (BRef). Were those other three grounders to rightfield when Reddick threw out Posada running to first and I missed the highlights?
Good point
4 assists in a half season in his rookie year would reasonably project 8-10 going forward. Assuming his bat adapts, he looks good. Those who watched his bullets to 3b & home during the Taiwan series are very confident in his range, glove and arm. I would gladly accept occasional lapses in plate discipline for that level of defense in this RF; especially knowing the potential in his bat. Trust the kids.
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