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Daily Links - Into The Nothingness

As I wrote so eloquently the other day, there ain't nothing going on in Red Sox land. But while the team lies fallow trying to figure out their next move, there is still great writing happening in the interwebs. See? The interwebs are good for more than just porn! Sort of!

Link time!

I write that, and yet, there is something stirring in Red Sox land, a small even insignificant piece of the grander puzzle to some, but at least to those in the know and to the players, something of importance. Yes, the Red Sox have announced who will play Wally the Green Monster for... no, I'm kidding. They announced who their pitching coach will be for the 2012 season. It'll be Bob McClure. You may remember him from such things as pitching coach of the 2006 Kansas City Royals, the 2007 Kansas City Royals and, of course, that favorite of yours, mine, and your drunken neighbor Bob, the 2008 Kansas City Royals. OK, so the man's been on the job for less than 24 hours as I write these words and already the Troy McClure jokes are passé. (It's OK, you can get your fix here.)

As jolly and jovial as McClure sounds, all might not be right in Mudville. I direct your attention to Allan at Joy of Sox, who directs your attention to this article by noted sports genius Joe Posnanski, who directs your attention to the Royals handling destruction of star pitcher Gil Meche. It's an isolated example to be sure, a sample size of just one, but could there be a more damning one? Reading Posnanski's account your jaw drops open. We have to hope there was some learning involved there, and/or that Mr. McClure was under the influence of larger more ignorant forces in the Royals managerial or front office. And even then, yeek.

For those of you who are on the fence or out-right against moving Daniel Bard from the pen to the rotation, you should read this by Alex Speier of WEEI.com.

Star-divide

I won't do a big write-up other than to say if you like the research and statistical side of baseball you should read this enlightening article about the hit and run from Mike Fast of Baseball Prospectus. It's good to know research of this kind is still being not only done, but done well and then published for free.

Baseball America hasn't officially released their Top 10 Red Sox prospects for 2012 yet (they're scheduled to do that January 6th) but the Boston Globe's Peter Abraham has got his mitts on the list a few weeks ahead of time. The list Is, in some ways, similar to that of excellent Red Sox prospects website, the covertly named Sox Prospects. You can feel free to look up both of lists via the links in this paragraph, but below, I've aggregated the two for no other reason that I felt like it:

Rank Name Points
1. Will Middlebrooks 20
2. Anthony Ranaudo 17
3. Xander Bogaerts 16
4. Brandon Jacobs 15
5. Bryce Brentz 9
6. Ryan Kalish 9
7. Blake Swihart 7
8. Matt Barnes 7
9. Ryan Lavarnway 7
10. Jose Iglesias 6
11. Garin Cecchini 4
12. Jackie Bradley, Jr. 1

The column to the far right ("Points") is simply me assigning points for placement within the top ten. The first gets ten points, the second gets nine and so on. Yes, I know this isn't scientific. I'm sorry, but it's 2AM and I can't find my slide rule. Will Middlebrooks appears first in both lists (thus the 20 points). Ryan Kalish is second on the Sox Prospects list but as his rookie status has elapsed he is ineligible for the BA list. The only other player who appears on a single list is Jose Iglesias. Iglesias is fifth on the SP list, but BA doesn't list him at all. In summation, this confirms what we've been hearing for a little while now, that the Sox minor league system has some high ceiling talent, but most of it is in the lower minors. Only four of the twelve on the aggregated list above have any experience in AA or AAA.

Finally, be glad that posts like this won't be done about Fenway Park anytime in the near future.

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Iglesias falls off a cliff

Iglesias was at or near the top of those lists last year, right? What changed, aside from a 100 point drop in BABIP (fluky high to fluky low)? He actually improved his walk and strikeout rates while moving up a level.

by BigNachos on Dec 22, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

He was also probably ranked too high last year to begin with

So the fall off looks even worse considering some of it was just re-adjustment to where he should have been last year.

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

He was a also a 21-year-old playing in AAA

and thus way above his level. Our FO likes to put guys where they don’t belong to test them. He’s only had 220 ABs in AA. If he’d stayed there, he would have likely hit around 300/330/360 and we’d still love him as a plus-defense contact-hitter.

He may have been overrated from the beginning, but I think you could argue he’s currently the most underrated prospect in our system, and all due to 350 bad ABs at a level he’s too young for.

by Jake_W on Dec 22, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

If you only hit weak grounders/popups

your BABIP is gonna suck.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 23, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Spiers Article

The problem with his conclusions are that Aceves has not been effective as a starter. As a RP, he has been outstanding. Bard is even more of a crap shoot. Going with the theory of don’t fix it if it ain’t broke, these transitions are to big a gamble for a team that is supposed to be a contender. If you are the Royals, OK. Starters do not complete games. Although I thought Wilson was a brilliant pickup,giving the Angels a huge advantage of having 4 good starters,going into a playoff series,it’s such a shame that so much money was wasted on Crawford and Lackey. They might have signed Wilson without those obligations. Also, we have to keep in mind that no matter how good a starter is, he probably will not pitch more then seven innings. In this game today, keeping starters to a six inning limit might keep them fresh for the PS.Good bullpen arms are getting more and expensive, as teams start to realize this concept.

by Robert57 on Dec 23, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The Red Sox are still "seriously in the mix" for Carlos Beltran

I fear a situation where we sign Beltran, trade Reddick and prospects for Bailey, and then sign Saunders.

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 22, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

That sounds pretty good to me.

Depending on the prospects.

Saunders ain’t anything special, but if he’s cheap, he’s a good #5.

by abbreviatedman on Dec 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I really hate Joe F$%&(@# Saunders though

I think he’d be pretty bad in Fenway in the AL East. I don’t want him.

by South Coast Ghost on Dec 22, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Great

is Bailey or Beltran going to be our #4?

by wolf9309 on Dec 22, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I only see the Red Sox parting ways with Reddick in a deal for SP.

I do think they are in the mix for Beltran, but if they sign him him I’d expect news of a deal for a starter with Reddick part of the package, not a reliever.

by aubatron2011 on Dec 22, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Beltran

is gone. Signed with St. Louis. They should be favored to win,at least the pennant,even without Pujols. Berkman moves to 1st with Beltra in RF. Guys like Allen Craig and David Freeze will make them tough, If they get Wainright back,watch out!

by Robert57 on Dec 23, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I would freaking riot if this happened.

Also saw on MLBTR that the sox are still “in” on Jurgens.

Please, god please, no.

by ritz on Dec 22, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

While we're on the subject

Here are the Sox Prospects MLB comparisons for the listed players.

Will Middlebrooks: Scott Rolen
Anthony Ranaudo: Chris Carpenter
Xander Bogaerts: Asdrubal Cabrera
Brandon Jacobs: Melky Cabrera
Brynce Brentz: Jose Guillen
Ryan Kalish: Darin Erstad
Blake Swihart: Jason Kendall
Matt Barnes: A.J. Burnett
Ryan Lavarnway: John Buck
Jose Iglesias: Rey Ordonez
Garin Cecchini: Chase Headley
Jackie Bradley: Michael Brantley

I was hoping Iglesias would call for an Omar Vizquel comparison. But that’s so 2010 of me.

by dennet on Dec 22, 2011 11:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I had high hopes for Barnes,

but the fact that he’s being compared to A.J Burnett scares the crap out of me.

by aubatron2011 on Dec 22, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Stuff-wise at a comparable age, yes.

Nothing really to do with the mid 30’s over paid mediocrity he’s become with the Yankees.

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by Matthew Kory on Dec 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

it just needs to be taken for what it's worth

As long as you don’t draw too many conclusions from the comparison, you should be fine. Surely guys like Darin Erstad, Melky Cabrera etc had scoutable skill sets and there was some correlation between those and their ultimate skill.

I know we’re in the Moneyball spacetime continuum, but I don’t think scouting is useless or comparisons meaningless. Specifically, I think comps probably give useful analogies to players mindset, play style, raw physical skills and yes, numbers they might put up if they realize their potential. IF. That might be a big IF. So take it for what it’s worth.

by dennet on Dec 22, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cecchini=Chase Headley

think I just gained a new favorite Red Sox prospect.

You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space.
-Johnny Cash

by TheLoneDavid on Dec 23, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

coaches/players

other teams are snapping up players, while we snap up coaches. your suppose to be creating excitement, noy panic! I feel like we are noy really trying. It’s like we are dragging our feet and lost our way. Please make me eat crow!!!

by chicopee chip on Dec 23, 2011 2:29 AM EST reply actions  

good lord, you're right!

We shouldn’t hire coaches! That sends entirely the wrong message!

by wolf9309 on Dec 23, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

McClure

McClure may or may not be a decent pitching coach, let alone the right one for the Sox in 2012. But the incident with Meche hardly provides evidence of what to expect. Who knows whether McClure wanted Meche shut down and was overruled by Hillman? Furthermore, if you hold McClure responsible for Meche’s injury, shouldn’t you at least give him credit for nurturing Zach Greinke not just back from the ledge but all the way to a Cy Young Award?

by mike_b1 on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

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